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"The Champions wern't the wind bags but the Old racers giving out awards to each other."

This is the way it always is, I've been to 3 or 4 of those events.

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"Plus the oil downs from all the NOS equipped cars.."

In 15 straight hours of racing at Gainesville's Unleashed, there were zero oildowns. Those of us who build for the bottle are if anything a bit more obsessed with strength.

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Apparently their entry will be $100 to run for $1000/400 so S/ST will pay extra entry to run for less $ ( don't know what kind of contingency program they will have). Everyone has to decide for themselves but sounds like S/ST is getting kicked to the curb and others will follow.

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But how many are ready to pull out their "MEGA cross over do da Delay box's", timers, throttle stops, and 150-160 MPH S/G engines and go back to short shifting, a stop bolt on the throttle, and add or subtract weight from a wt. box. Not many Id bet unless it was the only game in town. !

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Why don't we wear leather helmets with goggles and run biased ply tires too while we are at it! If you want to run like they did "back in the day" then run the goodguys stuff. Most of us like to evolve and change as technology changes.

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Make a joke of it but thats is what will be required if you want to run the UnGlued or Un leashed races that is being talked about.

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I wasn't joking. I think the thought of going backwards is ridiculous! I would much rather race wide open than throttle stop, but not if it means going that slow. If you want to race that type of racing that is fine, but I hope it doesn't change what we are all doing now. We all have a lot of investment in our cars and equipment. Unless they have a 7.50 or 7.90 class there are a lot of cars that will be way to fast to race these "Unleashed" classes.

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From the track operators perspective it just may be what's required to make some money ( after all they are a business ) while having to pay the alcohol purse. Car counts have been lousy in D2...again, think that's partly due to strong IHRA following in the SE.

Going to be an interesting year!

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Any rules posted for this attempt to drag out a Div race? By the way I am not seeing this decline in super class racers but a very bad economy that is keeping many at home watching their business' ,including me, as I only did 4 Div races in 2010 and 2 Nat events as I am one of those small business men that will not hire because of the looming threat of higher Insurance and taxes. Lift that threat and you will see a bunch more super class racers. I thought the car counts at bradenton and gainesville were high and at many nat events. So is there electronics in these index classes or not? By the way.....90 classes are index classes and stock and super stock are absolutely bracket racing. This is strictly about the money.

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Im sure there would be a 7.50 class and/or an 8.00 class for those who dont want to run T/S or T/D. It would only make sense and be good business for the racing association.

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Looks to me as though a clueless DD got roped into this with no conception of how all of the eliminations are going to be accomplished!
Without a doubt these classes will have designated run times while S/St, SG, SC, STK and SS are fill-ins as they are for TS and TD!

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Enough of this BS,
I race out of Div 2 and I like that, and if someone has made the decision to bring these Guy's in I'm OK with that to. But this is our game and not our playground. Someone made the decision and we need to respect that untill it becomes a problem. Trust me, we can make it a problem if need be. What's a 100 more cars going to do- nothing ! If the schedules are relatively the same. I've raced at many divisional open events and they have integraded Et events too. All you guy's are assuming all these issues and half of you don't even race at these events. Lets look at the Big picture here, the tracks need more $$, and how are they going to do that = New programs! No Brainer to me. Trust me If this is trial program and it becomes an issue I'll be the 1st one to let NHRA to know.

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Chuck why don't you say how you really feel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You know what I like about you *&*#(*@( ?&#&.....See you @ Bradenton?

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Friends like you and I sure don't need any enemy's !
Got Cabin fever up here freezing my *** off and I'm over it.
On the other hand I was just defending NHRA a little, sometimes we are all to quick to jump on the negative ban wagon. Just wanna race and put Tommy D's fires out !

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i hope div 1 doesnt add any classes , its a pain in the *** to get a decent parking space now.

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The car count is low in Division 2(but high quality).....they certainly couldn't fit it in up here....Div 3 or Div 1

We can't finish what we have now.....lol

Rock

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Maybe you should come to Bradenton and be the "live reporter", would add to already good car quality and you can see first hand how running 13 classes goes. Whoever does report from Bradenton (Ken?) will have a very active thread!

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From what I understand Div, 2 will only be running the 10.0, 11.0, and 12.0 classes. 3 total. The rest will be run at the UnLeashed events. So that adds about 100 to 150 cars to the total car count IF they get 50 cars per class. If the tracks cant make money from the raping that NHRA gives them on these events it wont be long and there will be no points races to race at. They could save a ton of money and time for the real race cars by getting rid of the Alky cars that NHRA shoves down the track owners throats (or up the other end). Its one reason that Orlando, Fl. dosent have a points race there anymore. Carl is a S/S car kind of guy and it cost way to much to re do the track just to satisfy NHRA so they can run the track oilers. Just my 2 1/2 cents.

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Updated info on the new index stuff:
www.nhradiv2.com/apcm/templates/divnews.asp?articleid=44103&zoneid=14

Just an outsider's perspective, but the thing index racing has that most super series stuff doesn't is side-by-side racing. That is more fun to watch two cars battle door handle to door handle all the way down versus the launch hard, then sit on the throttle stop, then go again which can be hard to understand for a spectator. And since Division 2 is trying to bring fresh faces into the game, why not give it a shot? As mentioned, if it becomes an issue on time I'm sure they'll know/hear about it! I'd guess these will be the lower end classes and will get the hot lap since the powers that be might figure "mostly bracket and street cars will do this; they can hot lap like a Saturday night deal."

Just my $.02

Derek

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NHRA screwed it up by allowing "Deep Staging". It will be a drag race to the starting line.

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Cutting a 5 tenths pro tree in a 12 second car without deep staging isn't easy. I agree and wish they had a better way of allowing deep staging than the "race to be first into the beams."

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I wonder why NHRA didnt have an 8.0 class (or a 7.50 class) for dragsters and altereds on the 4 tenths tree in this "UnLeashed" stuff ? There are plenty of them being run these days ! Maybe the drivers can't drive one WITHOUT a delay box.......LOL. I remember when dragsters first started running et brackets back in the stone ages. The door cars were killing them before the delay box came into being. When the delay box came out then the door cars became obsolete at a bracket race against them.

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Yes, one thing missing in most threads about "index racing OR Super class racing" is from the corporate exec's perspective, the TV shot is much better when the cars are side by side down the whole track. I've been racing 25 years, pretty jaded about TV racing shows, and even I noticed this when watching the Unleashed show - it "looks faster" that way and it's easier to repurpose the video clips for other marketing or selling to advertisers.

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Deep Staging still sucks unless your trying to run a 1960 Pontiac station wagon (kind of heavy) in the 13.0 class. It became a "zoo" without courtesy staging. Everyone said the 5 tenths Pro tree wouldnt work in Top Stock when I first came up with it but it was proven wrong. I know the Top Stockers were low ten second cars and most weighed around 3200-3400 lbs but it can be done.

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Unleashed was billed as a "door car experience" or whatever. If it's to be merged with Lucas Oil racing (the writing is on the wall in big letters), a 7.50 heads up dragster class and 8.50 heads up door car (left steer) class would be no-brainers. You would lose half of Super Comp, but I think that's their point, to build this stuff up to critical mass and then make the painful switch at the opportune time. Then all those cool S/C and S/G cars will have somewhere to go, and the relatively few that can run WAY under those indexes can either step up to T/D and T/S or slow it down.

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X-Tech Man has just a bit of experience conceiving a new class on paper, coming up with rules, getting people to build for and run it, and making it a success...I hope NHRA is listening to people like him...

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My street/strip Nova weighs 3580 with me and I can't cut better than a .047 footbraking on a 5-tenths pro tree (car cuts 1.50-1.59 60 foots). But I can go red off a transbrake at or below a 3000 rpm 2-step setting all day.

The problem with saying no deep staging (especially to the 12 second class, which will have a good chunk of street/strip cars) is you now put the power in the hands of racers that have cars specifically set-up to hammer the pro tree and/or can get out the beams quickly. What's to stop someone that has a 11 second car to slow down to the 12 second class and shoot it up like ducks on a pond?

I agree deep staging can add a new hassle, but I don't concern myself with it. If I see someone with deep on the car, I'll ask in the lanes how they want to do so neither of us feels rushed and/or hung out.

Maybe a better solution will come about after a race or two.

Derek

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I just want to say that deep staging is when you have deep on you windshield and they allow you time to go deep. Letting the prestage light go out is really not deep staging. The prestage bulb is there to tell you are getting close to turning the stage light on. I will agree that letting the top bulb go out you will get a better rt. But I believe you can have courtesy staging and should be able to let the top bulb go out and still race. Why call it a pro tree, if you have courtesy staging rules. You should call it the Blue Lite Stage Tree. It is not a pro tree if you have courtesy staging. It really don't matter to me if the opponent goes deep and I haven't prestaged. My time don't start until I lite the prestage lite and I have plenty of time to do what I want. You have staging battles now with Blue Lite Stage Tree, where people don't want to be first and make the other guy move first and then they lite both bulbs. I can race either way. I prefer no courtesy staging, and the timer doesn't start until the second racer prestages. Let have some fun on the starting line. :rolleyes:

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1. NHRA let's the track pukers,Pros, deep stage whatever they want which the monkeys in the booth call "Starting Line Prowness". They need to inforce courtesy staging accross the board.
2. After much thought maybe there won't be that many cars to worry about because A. Most will be locals,B. Most won't want to pay the entry or the membership, the cert and the license if they make them have those things. C. If they don't have motor homes,which most local racers from the host track don't have because they only race there, and come from out of town then the hotel expense. These things may cut that tech line down. No disrespect to any local bkt racer just that this will factor in when they can run at a local track 1/8 mile and win the amount of money. I wouldn't blame them if they consider these things.

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Just a little FYI from an inside source.

At this point (subject to change based on car counts, time delays, etc), the index guys would get 2 qualifying hits Friday, one Saturday morning then run first round Saturday afternoon.

Derek