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I agree and as much as I hate to see these huge salaries come at our expense, it can only get worse.

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Greg.....Drag racing is a non profit buisness (for most)......LOL.

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This is not about how much the board make, folks. It's not about the fact the NHRA makes a profit. It's about how the organization is structured and how it operates.

Read the brief/complaint as it was filed, and remember that the guy who filed it, held the job of the woman who the complaint was filed with, for ten years. He's not just "taking a shot", he knows what he's doing.

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Sounds like maybe Mr. Anonymous is looking to cash in with the IRS under their whistle blower policy.

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Terry, I have great respect for you, as well as many others on this board. You guys were fortunate enough to have lived the heyday, I was not. You guys have made 1000's of passes to my 100's. But, I built my car to travel with and compete, not to sit in the garage. If I had 30 years of Stock Eliminator racing under my belt, I may feel the same way. I dont agree with the increases, double standards, afhs as well as several other things. I'm not going to bracket race locally and I dont have the IHRA alternative at this moment.

If NHRA is operating illegally, we, the racers, can only hope for the best of what will happen. I dont want them to fold, pass on more increases, etc. But, I do want to race and will continue to as money allows.

You can see where I'm coming from, cant ya?

Wade O

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Somehow I doubt it.

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Really. What else could motivate someone to file such a complaint.

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a disgruntled racer perhaps?

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Seriously?

Have you looked closely and carefully at how NHRA has been run for the last 30 years or so?


You think monetary compensation is the only reason anyone would want to see something done about that?

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My hope is that the outcome of the investigation results in a changing of the guard back to people that are doing it for the love of the sport.

If it were to be deemed a for profit who would become the owner?

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Well said Wade. I dont know who Terry is but as he likes to say X2.

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All of you need to read this complaint and understand it. NHRA has been operating with no accountability to anyone over the last 30 years. They have all those high salaries because they pay themselves whatever they want to because they decide to. That being said the big money is on the expense side of the ledger. If you look at tax returns you will notice that expenses mirror revenue. In other words as revenue goes up so do expenses and as revenue goes down so do expenses. Some of that would be normal because some expenses are variable, however most of their costs are fixed and don't change that much from year to year.

Taking a look at their expenses for 2008 a couple of things really jump out. The first is office expense at $15,747,739. Now that doesn't include any salaries or rent or even IT. What in the hell could you spend 15 mil on in office expense? Another is $4,046,243 on travel. Other expenses are around 10 mil. Salaries, wages and benefits are around 20 mil. Advertising and promotions is 24 mil. The big question is who benefits from all this money? How about the 3.3 mil in insurance costs that's only about 2.75% of their operating expenses?

This whole deal reminds me of one of those fund raising groups that call you up raising money for police or firemen that when you check into them uses 90% of what they collect for expenses and only 10% goes to the people they are supposedly raising money for. They are not using the money they make for the good of our sport but for their own personal gain.

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I agree with you Billy, Well said Wade. X3

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Agreed 1000% but something must change for the better soon. We wont live forever. The only thing the people in charge care about is the $$$$$ they get (not earn). I can only imagine the kind of income they make but it dosent really affect me and I dont care if they just treated the sportsman racer a little better. Are you and the rest of the guys who commented on this thread happy with the way you are treated at a NHRA event and the payouts you recieve for all that you put into running the events? Im retired now making big money isnt in my future. Im comfortable After all these years why havent they increased the pay outs a little more for the little guys than the small increases they throw out? The NHRA can afford it thats for sure. Do you know how little even the tech guys like Travis make for all the effort they put out during an event ? Not enough thats for sure. They do it for the love of the sport and guys like you. I dont know who is filing the IRS complaint but it should have been done right after Wally Park's funeral. Good luck this year in your racing. You haved raise the "Bar" with the 283 guys. Im impressed !

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That is what I was thinking !!! :-)

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Well, I hope this is not an opening of Pandora's box..... I would certainly like to see better practices on behalf of the Sportsman Racer from NHRA, but I wonder if this lawsuit will turn things in that direction, or have unintended consequences for all of us.

The Salaries quoted do seem excessive, but I don't buy for one minute that Dallas and Graham work 1 hour a week. Anyone who has run any type of organization larger than 5 people knows that the principal people involved put in many times the effort and hours that you would think they do, to make things happen. Having said that, 700K, 400K or more, may be excessive compensation for what they do, I don't profess to know enough about what kind of time & effort they actually expend, and whether the salary for those positions is justified. I DO know that I'm not real happy with how they have addressed (or failed to address) many issues on the part of the Non-Professional racer.

The salaries are only a small part of a larger problem... how well does the organization serve it's designated members (ALL of them, not just the pros), and what kind of relationship does it maintain with it's members, suppliers, affiliates and contractors? How well does it control it's expenses, and does it distribute it's services equitably and in a fiscally responsible manner?? Does it properly account for all of it's activities and finances??? How well this has been done in the past will have a direct bearing on the procession of events in this lawsuit, and the outcome(s) relative to the average racer. I hope for the best...

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I don't know if any of you have ever been thru an IRS audit but I have both personally and business wise---let me tell you "it ain't fun"---very very time consuming and believe me when they are finished they are gonna find "something" no matter how inconsequential it may seem to you it will not be overlooked and make their interpretation of it. I cannot begin to imagine what the IRS is gonna put a large operation like the NHRA thru in examining all of the expenses,deductions etc. and they are going to want straight answers then look at precedents that have been either allowed or disallowed in the past and before they then make a ruling on what they find-----As far as whistleblowers I am quite confidant that this law firm (Capland) is not just petitioning the IRS to come across as a bunch of jerks or to be vindictive in this case but they obviously have what they feel is "concrete information" regarding things that have been done in the past OR are continuing to be done that are not to be conducted or allowed under the guidelines set forth by the IRS regarding Non Profit entities.This lawfirm does/sees things like this everyday that's their business so I'm quite confidant that they feel that they have a "real good case" going forward otherwise they would not have taken the case or written their letter to the IRS. This is going to play out over a long period of time perhaps 6 months to a year or more before any final decision as to what the NHRA did wrong,what steps need to be taken to make sure that this does not occur in the future and finally whatever penalties are to be assessed either monetarily or whatever else they deem necessary. So do not try to 2nd guess what is going on here just settle in and go along for the long ride because this is gonna take some time to investigate. Comp

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No problems with the treatment.

We all know the story on payouts. I think this is similar to what happens in everyday life. We all want to better ourselves and make more money. We complain when some hotels or certain gas stations price gouge. Or we get a bad dose of Taco Bell. We still go back. I would love for the eliminator to pay more. So far, that hasnt affected me. I would love for class wins to pay more and the contingency payments be on time. I have about half the money in my stocker that I had in my Outlaw 10.5 car. The plus is, I dont change pistons every time I get home. Usually the stocker is still in one piece, so I feel like I've bettered myself. I could find a thousand things to gripe about, 999 of them wont be acted on. I prefer to spend the race weekend with friends and have a shot at the eliminator. I do this to spend time in the truck with my son and race at the track with my friends.
I do wish NHRA would listen more to the SRAC or send out some simple ballots for some issues before making them "law". If your not going to act on the counsels recommendations, (the racer's only voice at this time), then stop using them for scape goats and dismantle the group.
I know for a fact the tech guys love the S/SS portion of the sport. There is no other reason for sitting in 100 degree midwest heat, listening to us bitch about the(fill in the blank here).

See you guys soon,

Wade O

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Statistics prove that any successful organization is always run by someone who truly loves and believes in the product/service they're providing. They reap the monetary rewards when their customers/clients are happy. But those who are motivated by money first, then the product/service suffers, ultimately driving away customers through dissatisfaction and sometimes animosity. All three of the top brass (Light, Gardner, and Compton) are about the money/opportunities over the love of what they do. The NHRA is a sick train and has been running on borrowed time and will derail unless someone knows how to turn it around.

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Just a great example of "Executive/White Collar" crimes...:eek:

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My business has been through two IRS audits. Takes up time, but they found nothing.

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Ed --in our case the with the IRS it was a matter of interpretation of a rule---the 1st agent I had said no and his superior who was a road racer(SCCA) understood my thoughts on the deductions and was more than sympathetic to me in reaching a fair and equitable decision.In the end I paid a small additional amount of tax (about $90) and I was good to go... Never had a problem with using/claiming that deduction again

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One of the "issues" that might pop-up during an audit is the "insurance surcharge" they hang on every competitor at National Events.
Here are the potential problems with it:

• Is NHRA acting as an "Insurance Agent" forcing members to pay for so-called "premium increases" in participant insurance coverages? Are they a licensed Agent in every state?
• Has anyone every seen what the insurance premium costs for a National Event?
• Has anyone ever seen the "increase for 2011" in the form of a written rate increase?
• If we are being assessed approximately $155 in "insurance fees" ($65 for years and now $95, right?) per entry and there are 500 sportsman entries... do you really think an insurance policy for one event can actually cost $77,500.00?!! That is what NHRA is claiming are "insurance surcharge fees" if I read my National Event entry forms correctly.

The lawsuit that could end NHRA could be the IRS audit, the one issue that is laying back there in the weeds is the "excessive fees charged to members of the organization" in the name of increased insurance premium fees per event.
Maybe someone from Wells Fargo can show us the actual Policy we are all paying for and the terms, coverages and premium for that Policy?

When the **** hits that fan....it could involve paying back thousands of racers for an "intentional overcharge" under the disguise of an insurance cost increase.

If that happens, NHRA will become a different deal, which it needs to. Needs to be run FOR ITS MEMBERS, TO BENEFIT THE SPORT.
I just don't think people are going to stand by and watch their hard-earned money get misused in today's world like they did when their expendable money was a little easier to come by.

Either things will start to change or we will all just ignore what "our organization" is doing to us in the name of more profits while ignoring the expenses they are charging us all.

Jok

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I agree totally, Wally Parks they ain't... but since the influx of the big "corporate" dollars, the grassroots sportsman racer has almost always been considered at the end of a line of other's more expensive priorities.

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Curious minds want to know, Who Is "BN"??

let us all in

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Billy Nees? :eek::D Just kidding. I dunno.

Don

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Funny thought.How did the Feds nail Al Capone? Income taxes.Today they'de get him under the RICO Act.The Glendora Gang are bordering on association with some real shady characters.

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Bruce Noland?

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Wonder when the pros and the sponsors are going to find out about this? There is an article in the Washington examiner.com today, an online Washington DC paper. I guess you really can't call it a paper. How do you all think the pros are going to feel about this?

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They have been drinking the Kool Aid for years.

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on a lighter side , does this mean Obama becomes the official starter, and the F.B.I. takes over tech.

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The Lets Grab Cash (Light Gardner Compton) gang and others in the ivory tower should share their wealth with those NHRA folks working passionately where the rubber meets the road at the races during the season............. .

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this thing is all over the internet. Just google nhra and irs.

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I could see this adversely affecting us. If they are found to be ineligible to operate as a 501c then they just become a regular tax paying corporation right? Will an IRS ruling actually change their corporate governance? Accountability? I could see this playing out in such a way that in the end they are just looking for more revenue to cover their new expenses (corporate tax).
To me this may be a case of;
“Better the Devil you know than the one you don’t”

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If it all goes away (NHRA) could you imagine the pros all having to go out and actually get real jobs.I realize that some are business owners but I bet quite a few would be clueless in the current job market.

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Found this on google...

Same topic dated October 2000

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...2b32cb20fd8278

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I wonder if this has anything to do with the two new members of the board that were just added?

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There's actually a good article on CompetitionPlus about this, as they interviewed the attorney who stated that his client is an "amateur racer" and "longtime NHRA member". So, it appears that some sportsman racer finally got tired of all the "enhancements" we are receiving, and decided to take things into his own hands. According to the interview, this person also does NOT seek any financial reward as a whistle-blower.

Here's a link to the full article:

http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-...hra-tax-status

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I sure can Wade, which is why I'm looking forward (even more so now) to tomorrows S.I.R. racer meeting. As per "Skooter Peaco" (Vice President of Race Operations for IHRA), there are other tracks that are looking forward to the aftermath of this meeting, because if S.I.R. does join IHRA, then it could entice other tracks to chime in as well (I'm certain one or more near to you also)? Although I've been involved with this sport for 36 years, these last two haven't provided me much to crow about (two div.'s and one "Jeg's" natl. event). If we weren't the ones paying for the lions share of their expenses (with our increased cost's of competition), I'd have been able to do more (like you and others who can relate).

I'm certain that Skooter Peaco, (the rest of the IHRA), and heck even the powers that be at NASCAR, will be watching to see how this all goes down as well???