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Roy.....Where did I say ANYTHING about a 5.0 Mustang or the 14.0 lb class being odd ball in this post or any other I made in the past? I happen to like the 302 Mustangs. I even like the new ones but they are WAY under rated and THAT is what I dont like. You missed the whole point of the post. This is about NUMBERS of classes and single runs no matter the combo or class.. Yes IHRA sucks lately in the "Way to many classes dept". BIG TIME ! The only good thing is the IHRA has seen fit to seperate the new DP's and Mustangs away from the older carburated combos until the HP factors catch (if ever). I guess you dont have to worry about a new DP or a New Mustang blowing your doors off during a heads up run ! This is about class sponsor postings not a fight about Mustangs, Hemis, and Camaros and racing Associations. READ the post very slowly again and use your glasses . The postings are zip compared to what they used to be. It has just caught up with the NHRA guys finally this year. There are WAY to many classes in IHRA also and the sponsor postings show it over the last several years. It looks like the old AHRA. The economy is probably one reason for the poor payouts for class AND the eliminator in IHRA and the sponsors would go to NHRA for the exposure first. Besides there are very few class run off races in IHRA these days. Its more of a circus act today and NHRA is heading that way if they are not there already. Just step back and look at whats going on. I have a better grasp of what is happening since I gave up working about 10 years ago by being on the outside looking in and having good contacts for information in both associations. I made a lot of good friends in the 22+ plus years as a stock and S/S tech man. I even put in several years with the OLD NMCA when it was located in Memphis Tenn. before it was sold to Hot Rod Magazine. I learned things by watching and asking questions to the right person. I met all sorts of personallites. The common thread is we love cars and drag racing and want to see it last and be better for the racers. Todays NHRA and IHRA racing is diluted with so many classes and single runs. When did the class racers get scared of having to run someone heads up for class or during the eliminator ? IHRA's tech is piss poor also but its not because of the guys doing the job. They work hard, love drag racing, and they care but their hands are tied most of the time. Its because of a time factor for the run schedule and poor management. Management just dosent care anymore. All they want is an easy show with less overhead and the $$$$$. Before anyone thinks Im against any class or brand of car please think again and re read my post. About the only cars I dont like are the Fuelers and the Alky cars. THAT is a well known fact and all they are good for is to keep the track from rusting in my opinion.

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Don't want to use up the suggestions thread.
But old ed wright just claimed my POS car could never run 12.75 without a turbo.
Does someone want to pull his foot out of his mouth?
Or does anyone else doubt it?

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I think you mistook me for someone that cares how fast that thing runs.

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Ed,you told me any idiot could make a turbo car run?
Even you?

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lol...........

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Open mouth insert foot.

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I assure you that Ed is far from an idiot and has tuned more LTx/LSX cars of all varieties from stock to mad scientist than most people have ever seen. Hell he could probably make your heap run even faster

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You need to quit smoking that crap art.

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He would have to read the rule book first. LOL

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Ed even helped me fix my 91 Corvette last year via email and I cant even pronounce "FOOL INJECTION". Thanks again Ed.

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art, you really can't fault anyone for not knowing the ins and outs of your specific class. It appears that only two of you have read it in detail

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Terry you should thank God there was no rule book involved. LOL

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Chad I've been badmouthed on here for years because I ran the turbododges.
People commenting that I couldn't make anything go fast without a speed screw (turbo).
When making such comments they failed to realize We qualified number 1 with the Hemi car at a few different tracks.
And I would think more than a few people have opened the rule book up to look at my combo. It has qualified number one at a few nhra events.

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OK, maybe you shouldn't blame them for not knowing the in's and outs of Art's specific class, but that is even more reason for them to put a sock in it. The comments people such as Ed has been making are dumb. I know personally how hard Art has had to work to get his combo to run, both the turbo Dodge (which I owned) and his current non-turbo (that's right, NO TURBO) Dodge. It took Art several years to sort out the Neon SS car and he has every right to be proud of his accomplishments with that car. If it were so damn easy to make that combo run there would be as many of them out there as there are LT/LS1 Camaros. Art has made EVERY Mopar car he has raced fast! From the 4 banger to the mighty HEMI. How many racers out there can say that? Some people need to have a little more respect for people such as Art who think out of the box and just love to be different! Jim

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So I'm guessing that if for some reason you had a single for class you would decline the Wally and the win money because you didn't deserve it? Hummmm? Jim

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Ah *****,and I said I was going to avoid controversy.I'll lay down some $$$ that Artie gets that Neon to run what he said,and legal too.
I like you too Ed,but I think you're being a little hard on this one.

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I made about $1500 on class wins last year, all but one were singles but when i went to the store to spend it, no one asked me.

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Kind of like welfare or unemployment....Huh !

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IMHO This is one of the dumbest posts I have read on the forum in a long time. You don't have an answer but if you have 8 spark plug wires your cool? Gee can I join the "club" now? (H/SA) Volare) I have 8 spark plugs now! I also have a combo with 4 spark plugs.(A/FS Neon) Ooooops! No "club" membership for me! Do yourself a favor, engage your brain before you post James, or better yet keep your elitist comments to yourself. Oh and you can stick your "club" where the sun don't shine. Jim

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Just curious, looking at the time of my last post, what time zone does this site operate under ?

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x2

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Dont know anything about either one, might be something to look into.

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Jim. Thanks.
He does not realize the party has just begun. But it will be over eventually.

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All I wanted to do here is show how little actually got paid out to class winners in general.
To show that is not the main reason for the change. Which has greatly effected a lot of racers that did nothing but follow the rules.
As far as the badmouthing goes I'm about as po'd as I was when they gave me the 8.25% But this time I'll take it in increments of .05.

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Billy,
Ken is in the Eastern zone but you can adjust your time zone in your user CP. Jim

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most of the time its in the Twilight Zone

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Now that's funny, true, but funny! Jim

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Thanks Jim I'll try that.

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I was told it had a turbo. If not I apologize. I'm certainly not interested enough to look it up in the rule book. Just hearing from him how fast he is, even with half his RPM left in the trailer. Who cares?

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I may be all wrong on this but I've never read any where that anybody owes us any thing for winning class. Yes there are a few companies that graciously do provide a financial incentive for anyone winning class. Some of you (art) seem to believe this to be some sort of birth rite. Some of you know me ,alot don't but I have one of those obscure class cars, it's not the fastest one but it's not the slowest either. I do the best I can with the money and ability that I have. Yes I've made single runs and gotten a trophy and some cash, however I don't believe it's OWED to me it's just money that people were kind enough to offer for winning your particular class period. By looking at Nitro Joes stats there were 8 SS/BX cars at the races this year I did not see a one of them. There seems to one bad dad on top of the small heap,hope he stays out west, but even if we were to meet I'd take my whoopen and go on cause I race for my own personal enjoyment. Hell if the truth were known most racers would still go even if there were NO chance of winning any money. Yeah we all dream of having the best, fastest, nicest this and that but bottom line someone is always gonna 1 up ya so be happy with what you got and go on. Thanks for reading my opinoin. Joe

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Your makin way too much sense Joe.

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Good post Joe. Thats the way I feel. If I had to worry about the money either going out or coming in involving drag racing I wouldn't race. I race because I enjoy it not because of any money I may or may not win. If I had to worry about the money it wouldn't be much fun anymore and I would choose to do something fun. Love to flyfish but will never make a dime at it but I still do it. It's all about making to most of my time away from work.

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I never said anything like it was a birthrite to win class. That is something that was though up by others. I was just stating that If you (SS/BX) go to the track the runs SS class you should not have to run ME (SS/GS) to get a class win. I do not believe for one second it's about sponsors. Last year I could make $750 for a class win according to them at Belle Rose I should be able to make $1,500 Right?
I fully believe this change was all about giving away less trophies. nhra seems to be grovelling for cash. Higher insurance fees, no rule book, oil down penalties, and now no single class trophies.
I can guarantee there will be less attendance at these events. I'll even take a bet now they will kiss your ***** with one grade point to get into Indy this year.
So all those who are applauding this enhancement. Wait till the next one comes, if it effects you, I hope you will enjoy it as much as me.

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I've fished for a living most of my life. You really don't know what you are missing.

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Mark Different strokes for different folks.
In 1979 we left for the World Finals in Ontario California. Between the 3 of us we had $287 in cash, no credit cards or checks, or any other way of getting money.
Except the 1970 Dodge Challenger convertible. We stopped at some tracks on the way across the country. To make some money. Back then there were stock superstock races all over. And usually if you got past first round you broke even.
At the York US 30 National Invitational in about 1975 or 76. We won the quarter finals guaranteing a pay out . We had a total of 8.00 left (to use for gas and tolls to get home)
We had nothing to eat except a bag of chips that day so we bought a bunch of food at the concession stand. Late that night we won the race. But were paid by check. And the next day was Memorial Day and no banks were open. We had to spend the day at the track alone with nothing to eat till Tuesday morning.
That was the dedication we had to race. Very few racers went through what we did, Most of todays racers grew up with silverspoons in their mouths. I don't hold it against them. But please don't tell me how important money should be to me.

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How did that Challenger do? Hope it put food and beer in the belly.
Racin' for fun and a little winning excitement is great. Sounds like politics and rules are ya'lls biggest gripe. That's why, even if we get this car built to run the stock class, I'll still be doing as much of the index and outlaw racing I can get in. It's just more fun and less stressful. Sunday grudge racin' is still funtimes. Money is decent too.

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World Champion and W.R. Grace Cup champion

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That's all I need to hear. Not many can say that.

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Congrats,that must have been a Bad *** race car!

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