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I am ALWAYS the slower car. I'm not a classracer, just a bracket racer but still...Don't get me wrong if they changed the rule, it would help me out a lot, but why change. If I don't go red, I have nothing to worry about right? Red lights happen, its part of drag racing. I like the ruling as it is.

I'm more worried about gas being 3.37/gallon at my house right now then whether or not they're gonna change the rule or me being red tomrrow. Got more stuff to worry about. Like Mr. Hulquist said, practice more, complain less.

Chad Rhodes, you owe me a new computer chair. I literally fell over from laughing at your post so hard.

Let's see if lady luck is on my side today when I go bracket racing. Hopefully, I don't go red, but who knows.

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Dont fix this now , I have my AA/sa car about done!
Dan
Well unless it's a Cobra Jet your in for a real head ache. if it's an older combo you could be 4 to 8 tens behind, if it's a drag pak you will be alittle closer but not close enough the scare them.

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Leave it the way it is. You dont have to be fast to win in a bracket race :).
You have to be lucky first, and good second.

Clark Doukas

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The same people that think the U.S. Constitution was written by a bunch of old guys that doesn't pertain to life as we know it today?

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Scott, that is how it used to be on the old Crondek tree. I was "retired" when it changed. Both could red light when I "came back".

If your gonna cry about something, make it something you can't do anything about, like bogus hp factors. Those aren't your fault. Going red is.

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I guess you`d have a point if I red lit alot,but I don`t. I go red in elims about 2 times a year and my average R/T is around a .030 for the entire season,T.O. and elims. Like I said,the rules made me become a better racer on the tree because a slow car varies so bad in ET,at times you need to make up for it on the starting line.

Do I feel bad when someone red lights against me? Hell no! I`m kind of fond of it,and when they break out against me too!

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Cody,

Good luck @ the races & you are dead - on about changing the rules ... Did you ever notice, it's the people who don't race much that want to change the rules .... Worry, about HP factors & gas prices and improving your racing program and you may Win more.. Yes, I race a slower car & leave things alone & let's race more .... Sorry , Life is not FAIR , build a faster Car.....

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x3

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If we were to be democratic about it, and took a vote among actually active racers ( and since most actually active racers have the faster cars, or cars in the middle that see it from both sides) the vote likely would be to leave the rules alone. Mostly the guys wanting it changed don't even race that much, or run a slow enough car that they most always leave first. If you read light, it's your fault. Did you not know the rules when you chose what car to race?

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I dont recall reading anything about the tree being broken...is this at the winternationals or your home track?

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Wow, Things really go to **** in the off season. Thank God all this crap will go away shortly.

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agreed

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Of course it would, Ed.
That would be the same group as this one :

I'm Against Deep Staging Because I Have a Hard Leaving High Class Car So I Voted Against it ,So You Lose.

I don't know if I race enough to have an opinion, but here it is anyway.

I told you guys before . I don't have a personal agenda involved here.I don't care whether the ever change it or not. Right now, all I have to race is a Sportsman bracket racer / Nostalgia SS/ E car. That means I leave second 100% of the time in ET racing, and first,100% of the time in NSS.

I tend to think along the lines of what is good for the sport in the long run.
You know ; such as reaction times, incrementals, first across, MOV's ..All stuff that wasn't available "the way it used to be".

Some of you may not realize, before r/t's , if the Chrondeks were set on "drags", only one red light could come on during eliminations. Of course, that being in the lane of the first car to commit the infraction. We never knew whether the second car was "redder "
Now we DO know.

A simple software change would change the starting line "first or worst " situation to match that of the finish line .

Like I said , I don't care one way or the other. What amazes me is every time this deal comes up , some have to resort to personal attacks and name calling, rather than presenting a cogent argument for their "against " position.
That tells me some DO have a personal agenda involved, and that is why we can never get anything done for the good of the sport.

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I am sure the day after they got this change they would start in on wanting to go by best package. Then they can red light and break out and still have a chance to win.

This is how drag racing works. If you don't like the way it is find a new sport. Or you could start your own association and set the rules any way you want.

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Great post.

But...

A. This point assumes there is a cogent argument for keeping things the way it is. There isn't much of one, so most just resort to. 'Quit trying to change the rules for your own personal gain.'

B. I think your giving these folks too much credit for assuming most of them are capable of creating a valid and reasonable argument.

I'm sure someone will tell me that the 'clean tree' is an advantage. But personally I think that's BS, I've raced cars as much as TEN SECONDS slower than me, without any problem. My personal advice if you have trouble with waiting on the tree is to work on relaxing and improving your mental focus. Being able to see your opponent in front of you is a much much greater advantage.

And let's be realistic, 90% of racers are capable of consistently having decent a decent R.T. It's a lot more rare to find a racer capable of consistently and driving the finish line competently. 10 second cars also seem to be a lot more consistent on average than most 12 or 13 second cars, thus having further advantage.

Now someone is going to bash me for having an axe to grind.... but I don't really care either way. I'm just presenting the actual logical debate instead of whining and bitching like most of the people on this thread.

The other funny thing is a lot the people here bitching about not changing this rule are always involved in the discussions of other rules changes. Chad Rhodes, you have consistently asked for rules changes on this site.... two I can think of right now off the top of my head are aftermarket seats in stock and moving the new factory paper cars to their own class. But since you don't agree with this rule, and it does not personally benefit you, you insult instead of discuss.

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The fact is, if you red light, you lose. Who really wants to change the rules so they can say, " I won that round because I redlighted less than my opponent"? You people are wearing this out, and trying to find all of these angles and reasons to change it, when it really doesnt matter. If you are losing that many races because "you" red lighted first instead of second, then go work on your starting line skills. Fix that and you will not be in this argument.

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Happens everyday in a heads up or same dial -in situation.

Next ;

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Give it up Mark......Actually it is the same in a heads up or same dial. The FIRST person that redlights.

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So then you WOULDN'T tell your friends that you dodged a bullet by red lighting less?

Oh BTW, what class are you building a new car for?

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Its going to be V/SA and im coming for you!

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Sean,

1) cite me one series, one track, or even one race that has a worst red light rule. It very well may be the thing to do, but stock and ss is not the place to try it.

Yes I do feel the factory cars either need to be factored correctly or be in their own class. I also don't think NHRA should have a rule that prevents me from making a race car safer.

As for saying that I have no personal interest in the red-light rule, I also have an I//SA car, which I you look at most q sheets would be in the slower half of the cars ET wise. I still don't see a need to change the rule. If I choke and go red I didn't deserve to win the round, regardless of if the other guy goes red.

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Instead of bitching about who redlit "worse", how about if you both redlite, you BOTH lose!? I bet THAT would go over well!

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Maybe that's a better idea.

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Kevin , you might have a chance with a Jim Lewis engine.... LOL

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LOL, no its an LS1 99 Camaro

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Thanks, bud. I knew that.
I just wanted to make sure everybody else did.

Good luck with it.

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Thanks, I will know next weekend. Are you going to Phoenix?

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Next week is our combo here at Speedworld...After that? Who knows?

Where you going? Centerville?

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Probably Prescott, they have a T N T on Sunday. Good luck next week!

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At New York National Speedway they ran 4 wide and if all 4 cars broke out they all lost.

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Had "worst" foul start been in effect from day one, how many today would want it changed to "first"?

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It probably wouldn't be an issue.
Since you're such an avid defender of the rights of us bottom feeder class guys why don't you reveal your true identity and what car you race.Oh I forgot you're a gutless no name
no car wonder.Prove me wrong.

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hahahahahaha get em ed those pieces of **** they are scum probably the same ones that started this thread?

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For you to evaluate any opinion I proffer on this subject, simply consider the following to be true:

*I am a no-name
*I am gutless
*I do not race anything
*I have never raced anything
*I am a coward
*I am a sissy
*I am a closet transvestite
*I am a communist

Now, if you wish to stay away from the worthless dregs of society such as me, simply go to the area of this forum that, due to the quality of the forum administrator, was created to cater to real name folks such as yourself.

Best Regards
Bunkster

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That's what I like,a man/woman/whatever who's not ashamed of what they were dealt in life.You must really be proud of yourself.
Your description of yourself only brings out more the fact that any opinion you have on the subject is as useless as the state of your existance.

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The reason that I posted about the red lights is because the racing would be much better for the spectator and the particpants with true win lights, every round you have to race to the finish line with out the knowledge of anyone's red lighting. I race at a local track and the timing system that they have has no win lights, you only know if you win is when you get your time slip if you are the slower car. The faster car can see his red light or the slowers cars red light. Everyone races to the finish line not knowing the results until it's truely over. It's an eight mile track with only RT's and 60' timers, it's a fun time to race there.
These are only opinions, no slurring necessary!
Casey Miles
248H Stock?

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Bunkster, you have hit on something. Us no names cannot use the real name forum so why are the real names complaining about us on the forum we ARE allowed to use?

Maybe its because people seldom ever use the real name forum and the multi-posters with real names would only be preaching to a very limited audience.

And if the *HRA's bigwigs only read the real name forum to get opinions of real racers, they would think everything with racing is fine.

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It's confusing enough to watch for the average spectator without having to explain why the guy that got there first keeps losing. Try again.

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Jason,who said you can't use your real name on here?Some of the no names don't use a real name because they come on here to stir up *****.Plenty of guys with tag names use their real name in their posts,or their real name is well known by others here.
Then guys like Bill D. get on here making suggestions for change that have no affect on him,but will impact all or some class racers.
So pleaseeee don't play the victim card on here.

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The only reason Ed thinks you should use your real name is because it's harder to take cheap shots at anonymous people.