Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

For one who is so young with such a limited Win record you sure are a expert on everything!

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

Yes, but unlike you I use my real name when I post.

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

And what does that have to do with you being a expert?

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

I started going STK/SS racing in 1992 with my dad and others. Over the past 18 plus years I have learned from some of the best racers and engine builders this sport has to offer. Wins have nothing to do with knowing the inn’s and outs of SS and STK. There are dozens of great SS/STK racers that have few or no wins.

I’m not an expert just well educated about SS/STK

I know Ray has been racer all his life and is a very friendly person at the track. I have no problem with them, they seem to be good people with some racing background. But what they did is a slap in the face to other racers with that combo.


Charley Bob real names no games

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

I don't doubt for one minute that Ray and his grandson are very good people. I've never met them so I can't comment on their character. He, however, by my definition of the word is not a racer. You said it yourself and I quote,"he raced ASA,owned and drove (how long, how well, he owned a car), bought a speedway in Indiana (again, he owned it), he is into racing and collecting Muscel (sic) Cars (again, he's into racing and collecting)".
I say again, I've never met the man and I don't mean any malice in this post but when it's all said and done, to quote you one more time "If they are having a good time and having fun they will be in it for the long haul".
I've been here for 40 years buying, building and driving. I don't expect them to be doing this in 5 and I hope I'm wrong.

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

I don't expect them to be doing this in 5 and I hope I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]

This is kinda funny as who will be doing it in 5 years. From the sound of it, your age is some what close to mine and Ray's ( I have been doing it since 1959 and was at Detroit Dragway the night it opened in August 1959) so at our age who knows if we will be around in 5 years and I am sure that when YOU stop having fund and spending your $$$ you may not want to do it any longer or who knows if NHRA and the races tracks will be here.
JMPO

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

This is kinda funny as who will be doing it in 5 years. From the sound of it, your age is some what close to mine and Ray's ( I have been doing it since 1959 and was at Detroit Dragway the night it opened in August 1959) so at our age who knows if we will be around in 5 years and I am sure that when YOU stop having fund and spending your $$$ you may not want to do it any longer or who knows if NHRA and the races tracks will be here.
JMPO[/QUOTE]

Well when you look at it that way I guess I'll have to agree with you.
I'm not that old. I started in 69.

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

At the end of the day what Skillman did was outstanding!

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

Who thinks Skillman's car's engines being built by a shop that builds fast engines much like most of the older cars racing ( instead of just being run like they came out of the box) is wrong? What's the saying, if somebody with the same combo as yours but is a whole lot faster? Quit crying and go work on your stuff? Isn't that what everybody else says? What is different here?

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

Well Ed, I guess that would depend on what your personal definition of a Racer is.

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

The definition of a real racer is someone who has the capability to build,maintain,tune,
troubleshoot and drive a race car.
Back in the monolithic era (50s to early 70s) a great number of racers fit this category.
Today they are in the minority.Been replaced by bracket racers,hacks (can drive,can't
maintain a lawn motor without help,casual racers (this looks interesting),rich folks,
and two race wonders.
I fit into the hack category.I have basic mechanical skills,but without Tom Goldman and
others (Billy for one) I couldn't even run the index.
I think I make up for the lack of mechanical skills with the desire to do well enough not to embarrass myself.
What I find amusing in this thread is the fact that it depends on who is going fast determines whether he is congratulated or demonized.When Charlie Bob started racing
his Mustang he was the demon form hell.Now Mr Skillman is the second coming of the messiah.
Hypocrisy and prejudice at it's finest.Go ahead fire away.

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

Eddie, again I'll say that I'm sure the Skillmans are very nice people and yes, Charlie Bobs Mustang (and the others) are deamons from hell but at least Charlie Bob does his own stuff.

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

X 2....Stock and S/S needs more guys like him and Eric Merryfield who want to run their stuff instead of shutting off and playing stupid games. I respect guys like that. Even if the Skillman's did manage to put some HP on the combo that clearly shows it needed it. The combo will still be way quicker than anything else in the class it ends up in. So how much did it hurt or slow it down? ZIP.....ZERO.....NADA !

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

How was the Skillman’s weekend outstanding, Blue oval Ralph?
Ray can’t even get on the qualifying sheet because he left before the tree on one run.
Ray cuts a 500 plus light in round one
Ray runs the car flat out with no chance of catching Richie Mace. What if Mace would have broken out too, then he would have looked like a bigger fool.
Drew dials 1.27 under, which would give him and others with that combo 4.25% HP Monday.
Drew runs 1.26 for the loss giving him and others 18hp Monday.
So at the end of the event one lost second round and one lost first round. Neither had a heads up and both came home with 18 more HP then they came with. I fail to see the outstanding part.

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

Charliey, you need to set on my side of the desk!

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

Larry, I wonder how'd you feel if Don Little went out and got stupid. Ran his car on kill at a National, and racked up some h.p. on your combo.
Soft or not, being intellectually challenged should not be congratulated!

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

Yes, those two situations are EXACTLY the same. Because we all know that combo is also 50 to 100 hp under rated.....

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

Once again Kennedy, you fail to understand the post! Go climb back under your rock!

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

You think I don't understand it sucks when somebody adds HP to your combo? It's a crap deal no matter what.

But that is still an apples an oranges comparison, and to act like it's not is dishonest.

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

I acted dishonest? Once again, you don't understand the post! Reread it. I said soft or not......Go to the thread.....WTF does it say?
I wasn't comparing, I was simply putting a scenario onto Larry's lap. I'm sure Larry doesn't need Sean Kennedy sticking up for him.

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

Okay, you are right, it was not dishonest. I misread your post.

I'm not sticking up for anyone. I was making a point. Just like you were. Discussing stock eliminator on a public message board because the last time I chekced, that's what public forums were for. I don't know what the problem with that is.

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

You should be happy to have Ray a FORD Dealer Dragracing on his own Dollar. This means alot to The Corporate People at Ford like Jim Farley, if you understand the Corporate World. Why don't you ask Brian Wolfe how important it is to Have Dealer Support like Ray"s! So Ford can continue to build these cars and not just funnel all thier Motorsports Dollars toward NASCAR. Get your car done go out whip thier ***** if you can. Just how good of a shoe were you when you first statred Drag Racing?

As far as;

I fail to see the outstanding part.[/QUOTE] not many people really care about your crying all the time!!

Ralph

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

I think I know who Ralph is.

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

I too now know who blue over ralph is or should I say MR LEE.

Ralph when I first started drag racing I got to run a 103 mph 1983 malibu wgn and had to pay 1/2 of my way. Comparing my racing program at the age of 18 to the skillman’s program is a not really a fair. No one gave me a $175,000 rig, $85,000 race car, a truck driver, the best tools money can buy and a blank check all at the age of 18.

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

It is easy to understand why somebody running this combo would be mad about what happened this weekend at the gators. What the Skillmans did really makes no sense to me and alot of other people on here but to each his own i guess?!

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

Money and performance alone will not buy a national event. That accomplishment requires a driver.

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

HEY, everybody should switch back to decaf on this issue. Ford built 100 2008 and a 100 2010 Cobra Jets and another 100 rollers and there are 50 more CJ's and 50 more rollers coming in March plus privateers. That opens up the possibility of 300 plus cars blowing away the index. Not everyone who buys a CJ or a Dodge Drag Pack is a professional drag racer. They bought a turn key race car and have the money to make it fun for them. This does not make them bad people but they don't understand and probably don't care about the politics of stock and s/s racing. That's the reality of building turn key drag cars and it is not the same as building turn key road race cars. Personally, I am glad to see the Fords and Fiats out there racing.How many people would have built this combination and got it homologated by NHRA themselves( yea,yea I know I left myself wide open on this one). What if Ford had hand picked the racers for the 50 cars and controlled the tunes. Would that have made everyone any happier? What's the difference if your beat by a little or a lot, only your feelings are hurt and your still the loser. Drag racing would be a lot more fun if we could race heads up and ba**s out AND everyone was competitive with no breakout. We know that's not any more realistic than Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny ( he's coming next month with my chocolate eggs). I think in the coming months you will see more problems with the indexes as more Fords come out to play. This will make the professional Ford guys unhappy and the competition ecstatic. This may lead the CJ's to their own (gasp) class, like SS/AH but that is still a while away. Just my two cents, as I finish off my Bud Lite. Nitey night, tomorrow is a work day.

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

not many people really care about your crying all the time!!

Ralph[/QUOTE]
I remember some family style race teams that have left a mark on drag racing. Paul and Jerry Harvey, The Tasca's, The VanCleves. They owned dealerships, raced and improved the latest that Ford had to offer and left a positive mark on drag racing. I think the Skillmans are that same kind of racer.

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

You are correct with this a small Bit of info

Tasca's have always had a lot of Direct Ford Money Bob sr was connected directly to HF II and had alot of Ford Sponsorship then as he has today.

Paul Harvey smae way with alot of $$ from Ford from the time he was at Alderman Ford as GM then to Bob Ford in Dearborn as Gm ( the Len Ricther Tbolt that ford supplied as well as driver Len he was a test driver at the Proving Ground if you remember bothe Tasca and Havey more or less quit when Ford with drew in 1970.

The VanCleves pretty much always done it with thier own $$$$ even when Ford was not there supporting racing.



I remember some family style race teams that have left a mark on drag racing. Paul and Jerry Harvey, The Tasca's, The VanCleves. They owned dealerships, raced and improved the latest that Ford had to offer and left a positive mark on drag racing. I think the Skillmans are that same kind of racer.[/QUOTE]

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

What are you guys worried about the CJs factor going too high now? It is not like anyone with a CJ is yanking the engine and ordering camshafts etc to make up for the HP hit!

Throw a chunk of weight in the box and lift off the throttle a tenth of a second later than you do now LOL.

I remember that Drew Skilman was #1 Q at Joliet last year in AA/S. The only work done to the car by his own admission was to put different front tires on it.

I think that having more racers with CJs and DPs will be good. What you will see after more hits like this is a gap between the CJ and DP race car "purchasers" and the hard core CJ and DP racers that test and flog their cars. When you start seeing CJs and DPs actually duking it out full throttle, you will find out who has the means and the talent to make them run to their full potential. Everyone thinks they are fast now becuse no one shows the true potential of the cars. The fact that Skillman's triggered doesn't change that, but it is a good start.
I know what it is like to get hp from someone cutting a late light and wasting it, but my point is you can't control that part. Even if you complain on a forum about it.

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

I think its funny as hell, everyone was bithhen about the hp on the cj's. Now the cj owners are bitchen about the HIT. The Skillman's could care less, they went racing and had fun and ran fast because they could. The rest of you cj step-children better get used to it, the big di*k contest has only just begun.

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

Why all the crying? They are still faster than ANYTHING in their class by approx. 4 to 5 tenths of a second or more except mayby the V-10 DP. No one has had the nuts to show its potential yet. What the hell do you want.....a full second advantage on a heads up run?
Grow up !

Re: Congrats drew skillman!!
 

Without a doubt the BEST ANSWER YET!!! If you can't run with the BIG DOGS stay on the POURCH and lick your wounds!!!