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Mark Yacavone 04-10-2011 07:02 PM

Re: Ford and Mopar Aluminum R/E Cases??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Miele (Post 251918)
Mark, I didn't know you were such expert on on the rule book. I should have consulted with you before I built my car.

And since you are the expert here, can I replace my center section with an aftermarket as long as it is steel, even though there is no mention about aftermarket cases. Remember if it does not say I can, it means I can't.

Ken, No expert , that's for sure. I don't think anyone could be .
I've been around NHRA for over 40 years now, and I just have an idea how they think most of the time. I do think that they put some of the vague, ambiguous language in there just to give themselves wiggle room .

As to your question, the aftermarket steel case is close enough to OEM in weight and density, that it's considered a replacement part, similar to a Moser 12 bolt (Technically not OEM either).
I got busted at Gainesville years ago, for having a Moroso aluminum water pump on a 283 Stocker . I painted it black and all, same as the engine. I knew it wouldn't fly if it was ever spotted. I happened to have a cast iron spare in the truck, ready to go on . LOL

Ken Miele 04-10-2011 08:07 PM

Re: Ford and Mopar Aluminum R/E Cases??
 
I think your forgetting the golden rule, if it does not say you can, it means you can't.

Mark, lets just say I don't agree with any of your interpretations of the rules that I mentioned, especial the one that effected me. Oh yes, that's exactly what I thought you would say, I just wanted to see you type it.

Jeff, one more time, NHRA told me it is not a performance advantage, that argument is over.

Larry Hill 04-10-2011 09:01 PM

Re: Ford and Mopar Aluminum R/E Cases??
 
Bill dont forget drive by wire!

I'm going to get one of the new 8 4/4 so i can get better gear selection and rear suport on the pinion...

RJ Sledge 04-10-2011 10:30 PM

Re: Ford and Mopar Aluminum R/E Cases??
 
Larry does a Mopar 8 4/4=a 9" Ford??

RJ

7423 04-10-2011 10:33 PM

Re: Ford and Mopar Aluminum R/E Cases??
 
You have mentioned that you want a clarification of the rule. Who would you like to hear this from? Does NHRA employ someone who has the authority to "clarify" something in the rule book?

Phillip marvetz 04-10-2011 11:52 PM

Re: Ford and Mopar Aluminum R/E Cases??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by R J Sledge (Post 251990)
Larry does a Mopar 8 4/4=a 9" Ford??

RJ

Yes

Jeff Lee 04-11-2011 12:14 AM

Re: Ford and Mopar Aluminum R/E Cases??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Miele (Post 251946)
I think your forgetting the golden rule, if it does not say you can, it means you can't.

Mark, lets just say I don't agree with any of your interpretations of the rules that I mentioned, especial the one that effected me. Oh yes, that's exactly what I thought you would say, I just wanted to see you type it.

Jeff, one more time, NHRA told me it is not a performance advantage, that argument is over.


Really? Then why is the aluminum center section not allowed at present? Apparently somebody disagrees. Must be the "other guy" at NHRA.

Larry Hill 04-11-2011 07:47 AM

Re: Ford and Mopar Aluminum R/E Cases??
 
RJ they do look the same and all the parts interchange.

RJ Sledge 04-11-2011 11:25 AM

Re: Ford and Mopar Aluminum R/E Cases??
 
Larry

Thanks I believe that I'll try one of those Mopar Aluminum units in my car. They still pay don't they??

RJ

Greg Hill 04-11-2011 12:34 PM

Re: Ford and Mopar Aluminum R/E Cases??
 
This is just another time when they don't follow their own rule book.

Ken Miele 04-11-2011 12:55 PM

Re: Ford and Mopar Aluminum R/E Cases??
 
Jeff, it is obvious you do not know that facts on this issue, why you continue to comment without all the info is beyond me.

This is reason I was told at Gainesville, "your car never came with an aluminum center section, therefore it is not legal." The official told me it was not a performance advantage. Why do you not believe me?

Can we now put the performance issue to rest.

Jeff Lee 04-11-2011 01:36 PM

Re: Ford and Mopar Aluminum R/E Cases??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Miele (Post 252100)
Jeff, it is obvious you do not know that facts on this issue, why you continue to comment without all the info is beyond me.

This is reason I was told at Gainesville, "your car never came with an aluminum center section, therefore it is not legal." The official told me it was not a performance advantage. Why do you not believe me?

Can we now put the performance issue to rest.

Because...there are MANY things in Stock Eliminator that are NOT allowed DESPITE the fact (perceived or real) they are NOT A PERFORMANCE ADVANTAGE. I'm sure you understand this. Some items are better because they don't break (perhaps aluminum rocker arms as just one example), some items are better because you can shift one problem area to a more easily rectified problem area (again, my example in previous posts about moving weight around (and I can't believe you don't think there is something in that; if not for you, then others), and some issues with NHRA is because it just doesn't "fit the picture" of Stock (a truly ambiguous statement if there ever was one but reality in many instances just the same).
To summarize; a part does not have to be directly attributable as performance enhancing part to receive consideration for inclusion in the allowable rules. The part may be viewed by some as equal or possibly even worse but that position is not all that is considered.
Now at this point, you may be sitting on a letter granting approval. If so, I say congratulations. If not, I believe the opinions I have expressed are part of the rationale behind the decision to not allowing the part.

FINESPLINE 04-11-2011 05:39 PM

Re: Ford and Mopar Aluminum R/E Cases??
 
Along time ago when stock was closer to real stock wasn't the saying that If the rule book does not specifically say you can't---than you can ! This is what fostered the interpretation of the rules. Now, they reverse it. Nice to play both sides of the fence.

chris ok 04-11-2011 07:00 PM

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I ilke the idea of an aluminum center to save your back when sevicing the car fitting it off or on. We aren't getting any younger.


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