Originally Posted by cutta (Post 257679)

Here's some food for thought for those concerned about the safety of stock cars on 9inch tires.

There is currently a new outlaw power adder class that is receiving tons of popularity called Outlaw 8.5. These cars run on 26x8.5 slicks and run well over a 140mph in the 1/8th with over 1500hp. To my surprise, I've yet to here of any catastrophic wrecks or incidents due to the small tire. Most stock cars down make anywhere near 1500HP and if these style cars with power adders can get safely down the track, one could reason that stock cars could and should be able do the same in a more safe manner since stockers are allowed a better slick than a 26x8.5. Yes I know I have no stake in the argument, but tire technology is light years from where it used to be and are much more safe than people realize.

10.5inch slicks have been well over 200mph

12inch slicks have been well over 240mph

there's plenty of room left before any stock car reaches the 9inch slicks safety threshold in my opinion.

Originally Posted by cutta (Post 257679)

Here's some food for thought for those concerned about the safety of stock cars on 9inch tires.

There is currently a new outlaw power adder class that is receiving tons of popularity called Outlaw 8.5. These cars run on 26x8.5 slicks and run well over a 140mph in the 1/8th with over 1500hp. To my surprise, I've yet to here of any catastrophic wrecks or incidents due to the small tire. Most stock cars down make anywhere near 1500HP and if these style cars with power adders can get safely down the track, one could reason that stock cars could and should be able do the same in a more safe manner since stockers are allowed a better slick than a 26x8.5. Yes I know I have no stake in the argument, but tire technology is light years from where it used to be and are much more safe than people realize.

10.5inch slicks have been well over 200mph

12inch slicks have been well over 240mph

there's plenty of room left before any stock car reaches the 9inch slicks safety threshold in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Alan Warman (Post 257714)

Go to yellowbullet.com and see how many of theses car's hit the wall each weekend. They have not taken each other out yet, but it will happen just like Alan said. And you can not even compare this type of car with a stocker. Just look under one of them no stock suspension. If you took out the MSD box they would not even make it down the track.

Originally Posted by cutta (Post 257725)

Well I will just say this, I believe the 9inch tires that stock cars run on is enough to handle the current horsepower levels of stock cars new and old. And I am in no way trying to say that stock cars are outlaw cars, they are very different in many ways. I think that if the chassis cert is there, the cars will be plenty stable enough to run well. The gist of my statement was to indicate the tires capability.

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 257749)

Richard all cars that are drive by wire {Ford} can have traction control.

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 257728)

You completely ignore the fundamentals of how Stock suspension stuff works. It has nothing to do with chassis certification, that's merely the type of cage, as well as how well it is fabricated and welded. It's the suspension and handling that will be the problem. And you might want to call Hoosier and Goodyear, and ask them if the lightweight 9" radial slick is really designed to run 150+ with a 3400#+ car, and stock type suspension.

Originally Posted by NWDragracing (Post 257764)

According to the Goodyear engineer, the Cobra Jet cars can run those speeds and weight with the supplied Goodyear drag tire. They were designed and tested for their application and it even has a specific designation, "DR".

http://www.fordracingparts.com/cobra...e%20Retail.pdf

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 257766)

wow really, so this "DR" means drag racing? It's about time a tire manufacturer stepped up and built a tire specifically for drag racing, now I can quit using those recapped trailer tires

Originally Posted by NWDragracing (Post 257768)

That was my same thought during our discussion. If you look at the link below, the tire also has the Cobra Jet Snake symbol.

http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...ns_120910.html

Originally Posted by K Stubbs (Post 257816)

With the way stockers are being built today, like MPR B&B etc, safety will not be an issue with the new cars going as fast as they are. And I would not compare them to outlaw classes where you have big inch, big horsepower cars, on small tires, running on marginal tracks. Actually, to at least the 330, the newer cars are much less violent than the older cars that are getting much higher in the air. If they are put in their own class with a lighter weight break, it shouldnt be a safety problem. When you think about how fast some of the other class cars of yesterday have ran,(like Top Stock, superstock, even modified) and compare them and how they were built, to the new cars, the new cars are safer. As far as the safety hazard on stock suspension, they are going in the 7's with it now, so I think stockers will be fine. Jeff is trying to get some input to help with the problem. I am pretty sure he is on our side on all of this.

Originally Posted by NWDragracing (Post 257768)

That was my same thought during our discussion. If you look at the link below, the tire also has the Cobra Jet Snake symbol.

http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...ns_120910.html

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 257826)

the only issue I see is the vast difference from a fast A/FX car to a slow V/S car. I thin it might be time for all stockers to have the same safety specs

Originally Posted by BBF67 (Post 257908)

Be ready for Stock to be revamped in 2012. Look for the upper classes in Stock to be moved to S/S. That's my prediction.

Originally Posted by Richard Grant (Post 257693)

Don't give Ford and Mopar any ideas. I am not sure they aren't already equiped with something similiar. But then it's "stock". I guess all the rest of the stock racers can just go bracket race and leave "stock" to the high dollar factory cars.

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 257826)

the only issue I see is the vast difference from a fast A/FX car to a slow V/S car. I thin it might be time for all stockers to have the same safety specs

Originally Posted by boster58 (Post 257910)

If the new cars go into there own classes what does it matter to anyone else what they weight ? The point of the new classes is to keep the old cars in the traditional classes where they can race and be competitive .

The point of the new cars is that they were designed and built to be race cars ,and go fast from the factory and they should be in there own classes . We cant change the past but be can influence the future . We now have two major car companies building factory race car . They seem to want to be involved in our sport .

Let's keep them involved , let them build the cars to go fast , keep the weight off them and let the car owners go out and have fun with there new race cars

I sold my beloved LS1 Firebirds because I want to go fast and have a new race car with a blower . I have 3 corvette's in my garage and Im a GM guy , but Im impressed with the drag pack & cobra jet cars . I bought a 2008 cobra # 49 a plan on running it as hard as I can , not because I want to kill the index but because thats what it was built for .

My cobalt is for sale now and when its gone a 2012 cobra jet will replace it for super stock . These cars are very serious race cars and I for one hope to see more factory cars coming soon especially from GM but for now Im with Ford. For the record the new cars from the factory cost less then building a new 69 camaro ZL1 or 67 shelby .

Bo Kenney

Originally Posted by goinbroke2 (Post 258067)

Sure, and time for all S/SS to have pro stock spec too!



And pro stock have top fool spec......

(in case you didn't get the sarcasm)

Originally Posted by Andys dad (Post 258145)

I am pretty sure some of the older 9 second stockers have not had to have the 4B license, $500 worth of upgraded safety clothing and 8.50 certified cage.

I hope the rule enforcement is consistent to protect them as well as those of us with new cars

Our car was also thoroughly check at Vegas by the entire Tech crew


:-) peace

Originally Posted by Marvin Robinson (Post 258336)

All this controversy is what happens when the factories politic for grossly soft HP ratings for the cars (I suppose to guarantee their brand ends up in the winner's circle right off the bat), and NHRA goes for it. We would not have this debate going on if the cars had started in the right classes to begin with....

Originally Posted by C and W Racing (Post 258367)

Other than the Winternationals when the Cobra Jet's debuted, and with some breaks going his way, how many National and Divisional races have been contested and how many Cobra Jets and Drag Pacs have been in the winners circle? I'm not thinking very many. It's for the most part a bracket race and it looks to me like the vast majority of winners are in the older combo's. Class eliminations, you may have a point, but that has become a joke anyway. Even races that have class, the car count is down and half of what they do is a combo race.
Chuck

Originally Posted by C and W Racing (Post 258367)

Other than the Winternationals when the Cobra Jet's debuted, and with some breaks going his way, how many National and Divisional races have been contested and how many Cobra Jets and Drag Pacs have been in the winners circle? I'm not thinking very many. It's for the most part a bracket race and it looks to me like the vast majority of winners are in the older combo's. Class eliminations, you may have a point, but that has become a joke anyway. Even races that have class, the car count is down and half of what they do is a combo race.
Chuck