Jim.....No I did not.

stickshift stockers only now thats a good class..

How about Tritak & Morgan with their wagon? Later, I think they ran a SS/DA 'Cuda. Paul's point about Boertman might be tough to beat though!

I have to agree Jeremy, but I'm a little biased. I seem to remember meeting your father way back when our dads were racing for Smothers Brothers. Dad was brutal on those 4-speed cars.

Chuck Garey

Thanks for the vote chuck.................I love to hear stories of my dad and his racing.........I was told once he could shift a 4 speed as smoth and fast as an automatic..................... I love this topic to hear all about the guys that started it all...... I talked to my dad about this post and doing like bowtie said and get the stories together...as he told me "you young guys are spoiled the way the track's are today".........and here we complain about track conditions thats funny.......

Jeremy Waibel
K&N B/SA 69 camaro
2231

Here are two more that started racing stock in the 60's, Jim Hughes Grand Junction Colorado, Arnold Greene Mathews North Carolina. Both are still racing stock to this day! I have one more I will add when I get all my information together at a little later time. Trevor Weiss B/S 2891

Ripes wasn't too bad.

How are things going trevor?????


Jeremy Waibel
K&N B/SA 69 camaro
2231

Ripes , was pretty darn good . Multi National Event winner , Many records.

Paul Dilcher

Alex Jarrell, George Cureton, Bobby Waren.....so many.

Jeremy, things are going good. I missed all the races so far because I was repainting my car and doing some suspension work on it. I will be at Atlanta and Reynolds and hopefully it will hook. Also I hope you are getting better. See ya at the races Trevor

Mr. Waibel (Sr.) is right on the money with his remark....not to mention all of the pieces that are available today with the click of a mouse or a charge card and cell-phone. Back then, many parts were home-made!
And don't forget today's tires...What Dave Kempton did was tremendous considering the day.....wasn't there a similar car out there run by a guy named Doug Kahl?

Doug Kahl was 1966 World Champ over the Monster Mash .

Paul Dilcher

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I'll agree! (but i AM a bit partial)

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"LITTLE" George Cureton???

Only guy I know of who could have FLAT-TOWED his car from Wilmington, Delaware (?) to the '67 NHRA World Finals at Tulsa, Oklahoma, won the Eliminator in a traction-limited car (4.10 1st gear X 4.88 or maybe 5.38:1 gear on 7" tires) in the starting RAIN, tore the engine down immediately after the final in that same rain (at the runner-up's demand), was pronounced "legal", had almost NO lettering on the car to speak of, and not decal ONE, but got it all together for the photo-shoot... and, they called him "little " George Cureton??? LOL!!! What a joke!

I think the man is/was a GIANT, on the basis of that one race, alone.....

If I got any of that wrong, please correct me; that's the best I can do after 40 years of shaking my head about it (Yes, I was there.) Still shaking my head about that truly amazing accomplishment.

Of course, he gets my vote.. but, I'd nominate Ben Wenzel for First Runner-Up...
Can you say "persistence"????

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i will have to go along with woodro josey.many times division champ,numerous records,national event winner and still at 67,a great driver.biggg

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Anyplace you can get footage of this race?

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Merry Christmas from Baghdad, I'm not old enough to remember Jr Stock (37 years old) but Neil Smedley told me he has footage of me about 5 years old on 8 mm film next to Jim Marshalls car at Niagra. Don't let his youthful looks fool ya -- he is older than Dirt!!!! HAHA Daran

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Mark Yac - Look in the mirror. You're no slouch yourself!

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Wasn't Hillbilly Duncan's car named Turtle? I remember watching him at Hyde Park in the mid 60's.

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Ditto on Dave LeBrun!

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When you ran on the National records the oldsmobiles of racing head service from Memphis were really hard to beat. If I'm not mistaken they had the first of the cheater stocker cams and bowl cutters for their heads, one was named the mouse and the other the rat. If you wanted to go fast they used the mouse and if you wanted to go real fast they used the rat. This was back in the mid to late 60's.

Greg

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EDDIE REZAK, now thats a WHEELIE!

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Wagom Killer,

I have no idea whether any film footage of that race exists, but a good person to ask would be George, himself, or perhaps Ed Miller, who won Super Stock, I think. That was the race in which the Hurst Corporation put up a bunch of EXTRA money (like $10,000.00???) for the win in Super Stock, to encourage participation in that Eliminator.)

It was a well-attended race, so likely, somebody's got it on film... I just don't know who.

Sorry I can't be of more help...
Bill

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Paul,

I did not make the last post under my name. The real Evan Smith

Evan

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There were hundreds out there, but the one thing I remember most was NHRA bragging at the 1969 Nationals that they could run 9 junior stockers a minute.
Bob Kowal

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George Cureton was definitely one of the major east coast cars. I believe John Dianna brought his 56 Panel all the way from California and beat George in class at a National event in the early 60s. Thats when Men were men in class . They towed wherever it took to show their stuff....was fastest...Dont forget Jere Stahl either.....He helped alot of cars improve with his parts and knowledge....

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There are some guys from the Northwest that can be added such as Pete and Bill Kost, Cal Method, VanCleve's and others.

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BIGGG--I agree with you--Woody (Woodro Josey ) has my vote but you left out his most important accomplishment--he's a Division Two "Hall of Fame" member.............One of Busters original "Rebels" .

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any little bit of info works for me thank you.

Somebody gotta have it! I think i was lookin into it and maybe was done by wide world of you know who sports .i doubt since buy out they have anything they could actually find.

I just think it'd be cool to see the car race. Anyone?

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Insofar as "seeing" that Final round between Cureton's sedan delivery (hydramatic-equipped) and the ex-Jere Stahl KILLER wagon of Wally Nissen (3-speed manual) the interesting thing was this:

"little" George knew it was sprinkling rain already, and knew he'd need every microsecond he could muster, so he staged at about a 15-degree angle... not enough to get caught, but crooked enough to increase his rollout SIGNIFICANTLY.... LOL! Sedan deliveries with hydros had terrible traction problems.

I was sitting in the top row of the stands, looking down at this and as I became aware of the rather severe angle George had staged at, I said to myself, ("That sly devil!!!!") LOL!

I couldn't believe that the starter let him pull that off, but it was about to rain BIG TIME, and they wanted to finish the race with no delays.

What an exciting end to a REALLY great race!!!

"little" George got 'er done in grand fashion that day! I won't forget that one... OH... the angle-staging didn't matter; the other guy redlit.

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Bill -

Jack Mullins used to do that angle staging in his '52 Oldsmobile all the time. He also ran 8.45x15 tires on the front that were 30" tall. Talk about a running start!! By the time the lights came on he was already doing 5 mph. (exaggeration) (fdl)

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I hope I don't offend any of the people that took these pics..... I just saved them from websites and wanted to share with the group. Here goes.........

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...rvripes-vi.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...Iaconio-vi.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...lmethod-vi.jpg

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a few more..... (here you go jeremy)

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...swaibel-vi.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...Waibel2-vi.jpg

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even more.......

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...can0077-vi.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...Jesel11-vi.jpg

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from the george cureton library..... (thanks George)

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...eton_11-vi.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...reton1a-vi.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...misc/r7-vi.jpg

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Diana (before and after), and Bob Lambeck.........

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...c/JohnD-vi.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...dianna1-vi.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...lambesk-vi.jpg

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few interesting odd pics..........

1967 world final qualifying list
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...lifiers-vi.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...isc/gg1-vi.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...panakos-vi.jpg

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Tom Sheehan, Really neat photos. Especially of the John Dianna stuff. I lived in Indy Speedway and went to the shopping center to watch tech. I saw Johns Wagon pre crash. Everyone headed to Muncie for the Wed night Test and tune. I drove up and it was sprinkling. Dianna did multiple burn outs to the line. As he ran the run it rolled up in the pile you see in your second picture. His truck is the COE behind the crashed car.
He was taken to Muncie Ball State hospital and released in am. A guy I know climbed the fence in the AM and removed the Black Plate license plate and had it on his wall. John took stuff home and built the Sedan delivery. When I bought the Delivery the guy in Indy gave me the plate. Still have it.....Fast Wagon and FASt Panel.

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does anybody rememder when george had a 58 pontiac