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JHeath 06-15-2011 09:20 PM

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BTW,Charley, your car rocks !!

Chris1529 06-15-2011 09:27 PM

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I really like to see the 93 Cobra's. The engine I run in my Mustang is the GT-40 engine which is basically the same as yours with the exception of a carb and 1.6 rocker arms. Are you going to use a 5 speed trans?

JHeath 06-15-2011 09:34 PM

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No, I will use my Jerico for the now.

Larry Hill 06-16-2011 08:31 AM

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Rock,

Just take the servo off and use a cable with a TPS. One magnet on the drive shaft would be a nice improvement, it would give the rest of us [cable people] a better chance against the computer.

Does it shift for you too?

Charley Downing 06-16-2011 08:52 AM

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Jheath no supercharger for the 2010 4.6 CJ. Just a small throttle body and intake.

CBS 06-16-2011 11:11 AM

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Larry,

I'm starting to sound like Charlie...lol

but I'm not aware of the driveshaft magnets...our Racepak has driveshaft magnets...but I haven't hooked them to the fuel injection yet....lol...go over and look at Bo Butners car at Norwalk or Chicago....if that's the car you're unhappy with....no servo no magnets....?

I don't think the servo could move the throttle as fast as Bo was on most of his runs......lol....

where are you getting your info from.....come and see us in Norwalk

JHeath 06-16-2011 08:24 PM

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Yeah, Charley, me too!! sure looks a great combo.

borninamopar 06-16-2011 09:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Comp T/A #57 (Post 263914)
Ed,
I have a Bluetooth interface that hooks up to the OBDII port under the dash.

http://cgi.ebay.com/V-1-4-obd2-elm32...item2a10cdce66


Yep, I know a couple younger racers that run a real quick F-Body...And I have seen the "mechanic" control the pass with a smart phone. Computers are hell.Some of the young racers are genius with those computer controlled cars.

Ed Wright 06-16-2011 10:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by borninamopar (Post 264164)
Yep, I know a couple younger racers that run a real quick F-Body...And I have seen the "mechanic" control the pass with a smart phone. Computers are hell.Some of the young racers are genius with those computer controlled cars.

You simply do not know what you are talking about.
Somebody was pulling your leg, or your trying to pull ours.

borninamopar 06-17-2011 09:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 264175)
You simply do not know what you are talking about.
Somebody was pulling your leg, or your trying to pull ours.


Mr. Ed,
With todays technology; Why wouldn't it be possible? I don't know if they are really controlling the car..Just what was said and what I saw; Hell I'm computer illiterate: But, the computer geeks say it is possible, and they know alot more about that stuff than you and I do. And no, Ed, I'm not on drugs.

Ed Wright 06-17-2011 11:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by borninamopar (Post 264206)
Mr. Ed,
With todays technology; Why wouldn't it be possible? I don't know if they are really controlling the car..Just what was said and what I saw; Hell I'm computer illiterate: But, the computer geeks say it is possible, and they know alot more about that stuff than you and I do. And no, Ed, I'm not on drugs.

No presently NHRA legal ECU can be done that way. People talking about this are not presently working with this stuff.

borninamopar 06-17-2011 10:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 264225)
No presently NHRA legal ECU can be done that way. People talking about this are not presently working with this stuff.

Ed,
I do know that; But, who said it is legal? I am sure that the people doing it are sneakin' under the radar. Just like all the other areas that are going un- noticed. I am pretty sure that these computer wizards are getting away with it somehow. It's all relative to the situation. Peace. Hope you do well this weekend.

Mark Yacavone 06-18-2011 05:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by borninamopar (Post 264327)
Ed,
I do know that; But, who said it is legal? I am sure that the people doing it are sneakin' under the radar. Just like all the other areas that are going un- noticed. I am pretty sure that these computer wizards are getting away with it somehow. It's all relative to the situation. Peace. Hope you do well this weekend.

Is his name "Mr Raymond" by any chance?

borninamopar 06-18-2011 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 264344)
Is his name "Mr Raymond" by any chance?


I refuse to answer that question under the grounds that it may tend to lend in incriminating eye to the situation.:rolleyes:

Pat Cook 06-18-2011 01:35 PM

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The technology is there, it is very doable with the ECU's that are on the NHRA acceptable list, But....there sure aren't very many drive by wire cars that are showing up in the winners circle.

The new go fast stocker's look like a rich mans game for who can go the fastest......rather who can win the bracket race part of the game with what they have.

magnumv8 06-19-2011 12:04 AM

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Drive by wire is getting more interesting all the time....I was going over some info on a new interface at work that allows you to go to full throttle off the line and once you near your programmed speed it will throttle back to maintain whatever you want with the pedal still on the floor.....all without even touching the main ECU....

I have used sensors with beams so small they are invisible and anything can be used as a target to trigger it, they are also accurate to less than .010 of an inch,no magnets required....chips so powerful that the possibilties are limitless....

Ed, the difference between what you are talking about and what everyone else is talking about is what we call "front door tuning vs back door programming"....FAST went from version 1.34 manual tuning to version 2.0 auto tuning(backdoor programming) with just a software upgrade, no internal hardware mods....

Only the OEM's (including aftermarket) can detect a "footprint" left by someone who has modified the original programming, not to be confused with the tune but the program that allows you access to the tuning parameters.....is it being done?...I'm sure it is after all Hypertech has been hacking OEM ECU's for years and now dozens of other companies are also.....nothing surprises me anymore, if we can think it, someone can do it....


D L Rambo......

Ed Wright 06-19-2011 08:19 AM

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I have been hacking OEM ECUs since 1990, I know how it is done. That is how I have been making my living for a good while, modifing not only the tuning, but the main operating systems as well. What some here don't seem to get it that a firmware change (components added) not just software programming would be needed to make one wireless.
Somebody standing outside the car, tuning it as it goes down the track would a joke anyway.

Mike Fuller 06-19-2011 08:16 PM

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After all of these posts I still have not seen a direct answer to Larry's question. Does anyone know the technical rules for the $1,000,000.00 race that Ron Folk runs? Can one of the fly by wire cars pass tech inspection at this high dollar race?

Ed Wright 06-19-2011 09:07 PM

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How about asking the people putting on the race?


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