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Even Danny gets new Ford or Lincoln to drive

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in J/S went 10.59 this has to be BS!

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I will give you a George Foreman guarantee that that car has never gone close to 10.59! That ride is one fast SOB but not that fast.
It is amazing how fast and far great rumors like that spread.

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"Never let the truth get in the way of a good story!"

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How about 10.937? Is that pretty close?

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Brad, How about 123mph. in E/FI at Martin, Mi. Tom

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thats 10.50 to 10.60 range if that is a j/s car thats not even funny

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anybody know what 68-70 428 was at 389?
i thought the n head motor was 380 and the aluminum head motor was at 383
thanks

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It went 129 testing, what a joke.

I can't blame someone for building an underfactored car like this, but writing a letter to get horsepower off, absolutely ridiculous.

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Ok, a one and a two. Let's all sing "Cry Me A River".

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2012 Mustangs did not get any HP

I'm still trying to figure out why the 1969 428 CJ got HP?

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Rusty,
My guess this is this is why. I believe we may have met when your were in Calif years ago good seeing your still involved


BELLE ROSE, La. - Final order after 3 rounds of qualifying in Super Stock at the NHRA, Eighth annual JEG'S.com Cajun SPORTSnationals:

Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-)

1 3028 GT/CA Jerry Silveus, Van Buren OH, '05 Cavalier 9.253 10.40 -1.147
2 3499 SS/N Gary Summers, Franklin KY, '85 Mustang 10.880 11.95 -1.070
3 1108 SS/EA Gary Richard, Bay Shore NY, '10 Mustang 9.282 10.35 -1.068
4 22 SS/DM Jeff Adkinson, Damascus GA, '09 Cobalt 8.730 9.75 -1.020
5 391 GT/BA Irvin Johns, Charlestown IN, '08 Cobalt 9.238 10.25 -1.012
6 4456 SS/G Jeff Colvert, Arkadelphia AR, '69 Mustang 9.444 10.45 -1.006
7 3388 GT/EA Mark Nowicki, Gaylord MI, '98 Avenger 9.645 10.65 -1.005
8 1759 SS/CA Anthony Bongiovanni, Rockaway NJ, '08 Must 9.060 10.05 -0.990
9 26 SS/BS Gary Coccaro, Panama City FL, '05 Sunfire 8.686 9.65 -0.964
10 5333 SS/AA Randy Hopkins, Scandia MN, '10 Mustang 8.745 9.70 -0.955

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You have to be a real pig to write a letter to get hp taken off that combination. The same motor with a smaller throttle body and less compression in a 2008 Mustang GT is 300hp.

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I wrote about mine, I figured I had wrote about my 69 and never even got a reply, so I tried a new car. But the result was the same so no help, no damage. Am I a pig too?

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Wow Charlie, this has to leave a mark! Gregg, are you coming to Stanton? There is a bunch of us going to the Clifford Lake Inn on Friday. Hopefully it will cool down by then and you and Charlie can go face to face.

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No not close. That is like saying my 10.16 run in GT/J earlier this year is close to me running 9.81, not even close!

This car has never been 129 in testing or ever, just another great made up rumor.

Charleys car has the MPH of a car that could go 10.70's but the 60' times are over tenth slower than our D/S camaro that goes 10.80s. If you think he has is set up to leave soft your nuts too. He is leaving over 7000rpm, that little motor just doesn't get the car moving until the back half of the track.

I'm not saying it is not a underfactored combo, it is just not been as quick and fast as the rumors.

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Brad, Charley run at Martin, Mi 6-4-11 E/FI, 1.52 60ft,4.461 330ft, 6.948 1/8, 99.240 mph, 9.108 1000ft, 10.937 1/4, 123.08 mph. Sixty ft.the same as my M/SA on a good track. Tom

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Mike it depends on how I do in Columbus as to whether I make it up to Stanton. I didn't know who wrote the letter to get hp taken off. Andrew and I would love to go with you all on Friday, just need a ride.

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If the shoe fits?

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" Only those request received by June 7, 2011 will be considered during this evaluation. Any requests recieved after June 7, 2011 will be reviewed during the next scheduled evalution of 2011. "

Norwalk was run June 23 - 26. Charley wrote the request before any runs were made by his stocker, two weeks before the event.

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I actually understand the hp system in place and took full advantage of it. Unlike some of you on here that can’t seem to figure it out. Sorry that I play the game better than most of you. I went to the Norwalk Nationals and made three runs at -.23, -.27 and -30 under. According to NHRA rules for HP reduction this combo qualifies for a 1.25% reduction. Case closed.
If you guys are unhappy about the J/S combo just wait until INDY. Thanks to Brian Wolf’s spare stocker motor you guys in B/S, C/S and D/S will now have something to really cry about.
Tom I was 400# heavy for E/FI at martin just ask jim woods.
Larry very good detective work I wrote the letter June 3.
Greg I live on a farm but no pigs for us. I think what you are trying to say is I'am winning.

Just fun facts our fastest time for the 281 combo is 10.84 @ 126.5 MPH a little heavy for K/S

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Can't Wait!!!! Class is go to be GREAT!!!:D

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Charly well played, winning is everything!

The combo was reduced 1.25% not 3%.

Fastest run at Norwalk second round 10.900@ 121. +

-.35 under index of 11.25

Man its a good thing you don't dirt track, them guys don't get mad they get even.

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How many of you guys have to run Charley heads up? I think it's one of those deals that he picked a combo and he knew it would be fast. If he gets that thing to sixty foot it should be 1.90 under. If I have to run him in the combo for class I'm screwed. My junk can only go 1.40. Hell I was pissed when I saw it but it's that system not the man. Good luck to everyone see you in Indy.

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What class are you planning to run? All of them at once? Charley played the game right and he was rewarded. If guys are willing to do the homework, and sacrifice fast runs to get extra power back more power to them. Then good for them. Guys that have to race them in class or HU durring the eliminator , have to play the game as well. If you have to race them set your stuff up to be the best you can. If you can go close to the mark, run it right there and make the guy break the mark to beat you. Its that simple, if you want to make his life miserable get money together and make him take a pistion and rod out everywhere he goes. Maybe you can get lucky and find an oversite and get him bounced, and not have to race against him.
Our racing is about advantages and disadvantages, about finding the best combo and playing the rules and procedures to you advantages. Thats what he did, and we shouldnt be mad about it. Just try to work to defeat these guys on the track one way or another. By all means. Thats what our game has been about for the last 50 or so years


If you guys are unhappy about the J/S combo just wait until INDY. Thanks to Brian Wolf’s spare stocker motor you guys in B/S, C/S and D/S will now have something to really cry about.

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Charley, I don`t care how fast or hp on your 281. I was just posted the times to have fun with this.Tom

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Me either....I hope ALL of the new combos go at least 1.50+ under at Indy. "Rotsa Ruck"

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So guys, how is that 3 HP off going to make you feel when you're #129 qualifier at Indy and you don't get to play and he does?
Patsy

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Amen Sister...had hoped they would all have more hits by this time and some honest correction done at the mid-year, at this rate it will take a -1.00 under to even get in the 128 for Indy, which leaves my heap sitting at home again this year. Best I could possibly run in the "land of no barometer" is .90 under (with a real good tail wind).

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Larry I'am running in STK at INDY so the 3hp off the SS combo will not hurt anyone in STK. -.82 will get you in at INDY in STK.
Todd I hope someone puts up the money soon I'am poor. B/S at Indy Todd

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Don't scare me Larry. I'll be one second under. What about you?

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First off use your real name. Second I run a SS/H car so I don't give a s%$t I was just saying it didn't affect the qualifying positions. Man I can't stand a holes.

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My definition of a pig is someone who runs a combo that is 50 to 75 hp soft and writes a letter to get more hp taken off. You don't have a fast car, you haven't accomplished anything, all you have is a car in the wrong class.

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Greg you are telling me that my 281CI motor combo in SS should be rated at 285HP in SS. Come on Greg my combo in SS is NOT light on HP.

Wrong class by whose definition ? Yours

Greg you can still run over 1.00 under so I also feel your combo is also underrated. I just play by the same rules you play by and you are just mad because I played it better. You guys should not get STK and SS factors mixed up, it makes you all look like idiots.

Just for the record I never asked for HP off my STK combo.

Chuck D the PIG

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I'm suprised they would take hp off an engine with only one car making a few runs. How do they know he wasn't sand bagging? Or that is was even a ligit SS car (it wasn't)?
I would assume they would want data from multiple cars to do something like that. It gets stranger and stranger.

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I'm not. Not at all.

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Ed how is my car not a ligit SS car? Is it illegal for SS?
How do you know what motor or cylinder heads are on my car? Holbrook did build me a set of SS heads THAT WERE ON MY CAR AT NORWALK. They made 37 more hp then my STK set and take 2 hours change.

How do you know if anyone is sand bagging?

NHRA droped my HP rating for SS because of the data they had. Why can't you ***** clowns figure that out. Is it really that hard? There is a two page sheet on NHRA.com on how HP is take off and added. If you take the time to look at it, it's very clear why my combo got 1.25% reduction.

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I hope you didn't pay much for those heads lol. You ran faster in Martin as a stocker than you did in Norwalk!

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If you guys think this is such a soft, easy, but fast combo you should build one ... then you can go a second or more under and get HP put back on it ...

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Andrew I was at 70% throttle at Martin and 48% at Norwalk.