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The new cars definitely helped Sorensen and Fletcher because the keyboard cowboys aren't whining about them cheating all the time anymore. :) Good Post big show... LOL

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Just something to chew on guys, I just got a message with pics from one of my buds who is vacationing in New England. He stopped by New England Dragway to check it out and found Tasca Ford testing their SS/B Cobra Jet. Any guesses? How about an 8.31/ 165.90(he sent me pics of the scoreboard) on a 9.90 index. Ya gotta love em.
I'm glad that I don't have a "horse" in that race!

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Qualifying wise looks like some competition for Bob's cadillac and the PT Cruiser.:>):>):>)

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Isnt that really Sad !

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Do you think that there is a chance that some things might have been changed that were not legal for Super Stock? Has the car shown up at an NHRA race and tried to compete as a legal Super Stock car? Until it shows up at race where it has to be Super Stock legal, I wouldn't get all excited in how fast it runs.

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I'll bet there are a lot of guys hoping it's not legal, or if it is they don't show up and run it hard. LOL

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Also keep in mind the DA on that run was approx. 3800'. Let's see, with a little tweaking and good air like Atco, you might be looking at a 7 second SS/B! Wow!

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The cars best is 8 teens.
Bob, sorry to hear about your engine troubles.

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this car isnt SuperStock legal.........alot of changes were made to it... and the thread continues........

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It isn't legal,YET.A little check here a little complimentary car there and you never know what will be legal tomorrow.:>):>):>)

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5 SS/AH cars so far, and 5 A/SA cars also. Shoot outs abound.

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So if someone is on the list now with a specific car in a specific class. For example Don Garlits in A/SA 09 Chall etc. Does that mean that is exactly what they have to run. Or could could he drop down to B, or change his mind about what car he was running in the event?

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"OR" . Can withdraw up to the Monday before, too.

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What's listed on the entry sheet is simply what their registration looks like, an A/S entry could show up with a U/SA entry and run, what presented to tech is all that matters as long as it's in the stock classification guide.

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Now 8 SS/AH and 7 A/SA

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B and C have enough cars for a shootout as well, this should be looked at too.

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Since we are going to have a shoot out and I am driving across state lines. Do you think I can rent a pistol in Indy. I can bring my own ammunition. charles

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Don't bring a butter knife! I have one of those!
Casey Miles
248H Stock?

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My Dad told me a long time ago, dont take a knife to a gun shoot out


charles

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Or you can't race a Donkey at the Kentucky Derby

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I dont know, the last time I was at the Derby, I saw a lot of Jack Asses betting
So donkeys may be next
Man I love a little levity. Sometimes we just dont take life good enough
charles

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9 AH and 11 A/SA if my eyes don't decieve me. Gonna get better. Stick guys yet to register

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Back in the day, there used to be more mid horse powered (9.5 to 12 lbs per) classed cars in the classes, now it seems that they were never made. Times have changed! The insurance companies kept the ratios down or you would pay through the nose for insurance, so that made it that there were less high HP cars in stock. Now that the cars that are in "Stock" can't be registered for street legal use from the factory, the insurance monitoring system doesn't effect the classes any longer. When the 1970 LS6 Chevelle was introduced, the problem wasn't buying one, the problem was insuring it. That's why there aren't many of them around. That goes for all the real high performance cars back in the 60's and 70's. If you were 20 yrs old and wanted to get insurance on a 396/375 Camaro, you best take out a mortgage. I'm just looking on how Stock has changed, a point of view.

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

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Casey, a good point. How many people priced Hemi cars, and then could not insure them especially with a 4 speed. In l969 the insurance rating people missed the Super Bee. The Road Runner was a HP model and had the high insurance, so our mainstay sale was a Super Bee 383, but loaded up with Buckets, console and A/C, and other comfort items and low insurance, and generally a little easier to finance. You had to really want a 440 car or a Hemi, course the Hemi was not available with A/C, and we are far south, hell we are 30 miles from the Gulf. That car probably kept us in business the first year till we learned how to sell trucks, station wagons, and 4 dr sedans.

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I know that I ended up with the Z/28 because I could get insurance on it when I bought it. The big problem back then is trying to get a company to write insurance for a car that had less the a 10 lbs per ci or HP. Jeff I know you run Mopar, but there was a reason that the big block cars were sparce, "Insurance". I believe that there are now more 396/375 cars around then were ever built by Chevy. Forget about a 427/425, never existed!

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

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What do you mean never existed? I almost bought one in 69. Sport Chev. in Md. had 6 or 8 COPO 427 Camaros on the lot and 5 427 COPO Chevelles. One ZL-1 sitting outside in front of the showroom. Dont I wish I had bought one of those but I was driving a brand new Vette at the time so the insurance couldnt have been any worse than mine. My 68 Z-28 insurance was about the same as the Vette. 350 cubes and 350 HP with a 4 speed in the Vette. I was about 23 years old at that time and single.

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Where I grew up, on Long Island, you could get all the big block cars you wanted from Baldwin, but you had to take out a second loan to get insurance if you could find a company that would write you policy. It was the biggest deterent of buying any performance car. BTW, in street racing, Chevy never built any 427s, you always swore that you had a 396/325 hp powered car.

My point is that the cars in stock today aren't being controlled by the insurance companies because they aren't factory built cars for use on the street.

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OK.....I get it. I forgot there for a moment....396's only.....LOL. Lots of those in Modified on a local weekend at the track to. I guess I was just lucky. GEICO did me right on insurance. Maybe it was the area? I still wished I had bought a COPO Camaro instead of that Vette.

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9 AH, 12 A/SA, and 9 B/SA

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Going to be good to watch.

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Only if the accually race instead of playing games !

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The competitors have been playing games since Chris landed in Santo Domingo. The current AHFS probably encourages more game playing say than 10 or so years ago, but that is the system we have. The current has difinitive numbers that can be manipulated easier than a system based on averages; i e eliminator average, combo average, class average or a combinatiion of. Averages make the system a moving target which it should be because both S & SS are dynamic eliminators, not static numbers. Combining averages (half season based on a few years or when the combo was hit last) and static (numbers that don't move) numbers (again the .850 and the rest 1.00, 1.20, 1.25 etc) don't mix well, sorta like Cherios and Buttermilk By the way, Chris was Christopher Columbus for the non-history fans. Too much coffee this morning.

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Jeez Jeff,you know Chris?You're older than I thought.
BTW did you get the package?

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My horse got scratched from the A/SA race as of tomorrow's 15 Hp. The only new Ford left will be the Super Stock 428, you know 14.24 compression, .850 lift, solid rollers, Nascar intake, 1000 CFM throttle body, at 375 Hp.

Its corruption at the top, the tech. dept. knows its way wrong, they are doing what they are told.

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I have a question about how these piece meal motors from Ford and Mopar are getting put into Stock? Are they crate motors? If so why are they in stock? I spoke to a friend of mine ( which are few) and he told me that the 352 Ford engine isn't anything you car get as a whole, you have to buy the parts and put it together. I know that there was question about the Shelby cars, but if what my friend is correct, the Shelby cars are no big deal. Stock may as well be call Modified product. If you think about it, Stock is allow exotic materials (Shubeck lifters) Pro Stock is not, just about any transmission along with rear ends and it seems any motor combo that the factories can think of now.
I try to keep my car close to stock and it's a far cry from what's going on now. If the factories want to through engines into stock, NHRA should put them at least 1.25 HP per cubic inch rather then some make believe HP that the factory says it is. NHRA should support Stock as Stock and force the factories to build the cars as production cars, not just 50 of them, if they build that many. Stock has been an Eliminator class now for over 37 years and now it's changing with no reguard for where it came from. Stock were cars in sheep's clothing running like wolfs, now it just wolfs!

Casey Miles
248H Stock

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That's why these new cars are so ridiculous. They are purpose built race motors from a performance parts catalog with bogus HP factors. Nothing Stock about it.

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When I started going to the Drags in 1970 Stock wasn't Stock back then. I am really sorry that Stock doesn't fit everyones idea of what Stock shoud be. Everyone that thinks the new factory combos that are different than the old combos in stock need to get over it. Back in the early 70's you could run cheater slicks,headers. cheater cams, and aftermarket pistons. These were hardly items available on factory built cars back then and yet some people continue to whine about the new factory combinations. Maybe you guys should run an IHRA pure stocker, as it may be more in tune of what you think Stock should be. I know NHRA went to a Pure Stock format in the early 1970's that has evolved into stock today but there is nothing about Stock that is Pure Stock even before the new factory combinations came into Stock.

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You just dont get it. it has NOTHING to about the fact that they are new cars with FI, computers, etc. and use aftermarket parts like every other stocker or S/S car on the planet. Its the frigging HORSE POWER RATINGS that bogus or in plain english....screwed up !

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Sorry but you are wrong, when NHRA started Stock after Jr. Stock, about 1973, you had to have all the stock parts, except the cheater cam because they had no way of checking the cam. Stock got bastardized as people complained that they couldn't run the stock parts without breakage.

BTW, here is the rating for the Viper V-10 engine for sale in the real world:
510 cu in (8.4 L)[9] V10
600 bhp (450 kW) @ 6000 rpm
560 lb·ft (760 N·m) @ 5600 rpm
This is what we are talking about, the bogus rating of the engines. I'm sure that this engine has to run on unleaded fuel since it's street driven, the race engine doesn't which means more compression the the street version. NHRA rates the V-10 @ 456 HP, aren't we missing something like at least 150 HP. This is what is pissing peolpe who run Stock for so many years. You can't compete against the pen and "A"holes who write with it.

Casey Miles
248H Stock?