Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

There really shouldn't be any discussion - if the tree malfunctions, the race should be re-run! It's a piece of equipment and equipment breaks so fix it and give both competitors the same advantage.

Just my $.02

Lew

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

If you had been Marion's opponent would you have thought a re-run was called for?

If this problem with the tree was a factor in Marion's run he should not have gone down the track. When he did he took his chances to win. His opponent did nothing wrong and I can understand why Jay would not have re-run this. The driver behind Marion may or may not have noticed the top yellow was out. Could be the starter noticed it and changed the bulb on his own initiative. Regardless, NHRA officials don't always make the wrong call except when they throw me out for something. :>)

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

Re-run...no question about it.

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

If he sat there and didn't make the run, he would have also been taking his chances, and considering the DD's decision that the top bulb being out "wasn't a factor in the race", then he still wouldn't have gotten a re-run. We can talk about the situation for a week and say what decisions should or shouldn't have been made... but in the car, the driver had just 0.5 seconds to assess the situation.

It shouldn't be up to the racer to have to make it right. Tree malfunction = re-run, period.

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

I feel it is the responsibility of the track/racing organization to provide two lanes to race on that are equal. Each lane should be safe and all equipment operate the same in both lanes. I wouldn't want to race in a lane that has a finishline photocell out. Why should someone have to race in a lane with a different or real short tree?

Another thought:
That could add some real drama to "lane choice"
Do you want the lane that hooks or the lane with the full tree?
How about taking the lane that has "All" the photocells working?
"No brainer"
Ihra rule book has it "right"!

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

What do we pay for when we pay the entry fee ??? That everything is working properly ... If the tree doesn't work, than you have a re-run
no questions asked ... I think we pay for a fair race for both racers ,
why should a tree screw-up dictate the RACE ... Re-run the Race or give him his money back , you can't keep screwing the customer ... He made the wrong call & the racer who pays to enter Suffer's ?
I don't think there's a racer out there who wouldn't re-run when he knew the real story about what happened ?


* What's wrong with this Picture ! ! ! Yes, I know they have a tough Job, but make the Right call ? What do you think would happen if it was Force, Dixon, Schumacher, Beckman, Yes there would be a re-run no-matter what .... End of story ...

@ What about the next time.??

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

Marion went to Jay and asked for a rerun, Jay told him he just called Gram Light and "NO" rerun.
Marion had trouble with Jay a few yrs ago and at that time told him he would punch him out if he got screwed again.
So I think Jay has one on for Marion.
Marion said he called him every name he could think of, then put his hand out to shake, but Jay wouldn't shake.
We will see what happens this weekend in Mich., [red light] could be coming?

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

Should have been a rerun with a malfunctioning tree.
But I am just curios if Marion uses a tree blocker to leave off a clean bottom bulb. I know alot of the guy's are doing that. If he is maybe that is why the director said it was a non issue.

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

It would have been in Jay's best interest to let the re-run take place. If Marion were to go on and win the Champoinship, he would be doing it representing D3. Jay hosed himself.

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

Marion does not use a blocker of any kind.

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

maybe the UFC could bring the octagon to he track, LET'S GET READY TO RUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMBBBBBBBBBBBBBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEE !!!

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

Originally I agreed with Jay's call thinking that the racer took the tree and he owns it then . But after much thought on this he had no choice - the tree malfunctioned and all he did was react as any of us would - but he did nothing wrong and was and still is owed a re-run ......

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

Tree problems seem to be a issue at National Trail.
At last years Div. race ,the tree had a problem with 1 lamp not working on the left lane.
They finally replaced the tree with one they "borrowed" from Indy.
That one had the lamps in the right lane facing everywhere but the racer !
Jay did'nt see a problem with that either.

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

Starter should notify the tower then the race should be a re-run no matter what.

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

And that qoute my friends is from one of the IHRA starters....nuff said

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

Jay hates, loathes and despises stock and superstock. We are a necessary evil to him. And he proves it over and over. Even I have had an all but physical fight with him in the tower once. He was making Superstock wait till the very end of the track's bracket race for their final run. He was even making the bracket guys hot lap insteading of sending Superstock down in between their rounds. It was getting very late and unsafe for the faster cars but he didn't care. Reason was irrelevant.

Ritch Bowers should be our division director. He does all the work anyway and he is fair minded to all racers, not just his pet Top Sportsman and Top Dragsters. And you can thank Jay for the fact that they race in NHRA now too. He stole them from IHRA.

Rerun, no question. I am so sorry Marion got screwed.

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

I always felt that we never had the quality division directer as other divisions have , just another reason i can add to my list why i gave it up .

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

Beth
Stock and superstock are part of the show should be fair to all of use. If he doesnt like the job he should get a new one

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

Ten or eleven years ago Lynwood DuPuy and Rick Stewart gave me a rerun at Sonoma when the second bulb didn't come on on my side of the tree in the first round. Remember, Hummer?

Strange thing was that several pairs of cars ran before they changed the bulb but only the ones who bitched got a re-run.

c

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

You should have come to Division 2, where you could have enjoyed having Bill Holt as your division director. :cool:

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

Alan, you sure got that right.

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

x10

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

Its like people on welfare. They dont have to work to get paid. Just cause trouble for everyone else so he wont quit until he drops dead.

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

WHOOOOP! There it is! Jim

.

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

HAHAHAHAHA damn! quote of the month

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

Aw c'mon. Take it easy on the DD's. Everybody knows how to keep the baby from crying except the one that's rocking it.

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

What do you mean "were" buddies? Heck, we are "still" buddies!

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

You really don't want to be "DUKE" buddies. Just saying

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

Wow Mickey,... you said a mouth full there!

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

just thought you may have missed the duke buddy comment by **** man LOL

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

The answer is plain and simple! RE-RUN!!!! The tree malfunctioned,and it doesnt matter what light Marion had!Every round counts when u are chasing a championship.

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

I'm sorry, I don't know who B.D.D.2 is. This is an interesting situation isn't it?

To answer the question in the title I bet every NHRA DD under the same circumstances would have come to the same decision Jay did. But,.. I guess we certainly know how you would have handled it IF you had been the race director. But, consider these factors. Under the same situation with the tree should there have been a re-run if Stokes had redlighted? Under the same situation with the tree should there have been a re-run if Marion had gotten the win? If Stokes had crossed the center line should there have been a re-run? Is it still all that simple?

Now please consider this: If Marion had not completed the run, even if he launched the car and then stopped and pointed out the problem with the tree do you think Jays decision would have been different? It would be easy enough to check the tree.

I would imagine Jay did what he thought was the most fair to both racers given what he knew about the circumstances. And, he made this decision in minutes, while we have the advantage of hashing it over for days.

As my hero Forrest Gump said. "that's all I got to say about that".

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

I no longer think so ................After looking at this from several sides Jay was wrong .

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

THIS WEEKEND at Mich. div 3 race
1st rd


Steed 2014
D Steed SS/KA 2014
M Stephenson GT/EA 332
I'll wait for a call,

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

Well Clutch Man,...... this is almost like quoting "drag race scripture". Since it was an NHRA event I guess we have to use their Bible. Section 1, Page 4, Paragraph 5).

And heck,.... I've been putting grits and grease on the table by running drag races for the last 35 years and haven't done anything right yet. Why should I start now? You know what they say,..... those than can,..do,... those that can't become drag strip operators.

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

But, I've never lost a re-run!

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

Just talked to Marion, no excuses a little late and got beat by a better run!

Did sayCar#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
2014 Dan Steed 3 Brad Zaskowski
E5 0.040 10.718 120.87 ****WINNER**** 0.051 10.410 126.12
SS/KA Dial: 10.73 (+/-): -0.012 GT/J Dial: 10.40 (+/-): 0.010
Prior rounds:
E4 (R Hill ) 0.005 11.248 0.518 (M Walter ) 0.039 10.722 0.332
E3 (D O'Malley ) 0.012 10.736 -0.004 (M Meints ) 0.030 10.399 0.009
E2 (G Ghezzi ) -0.022 10.748 0.028 (A Disinger ) 0.011 10.476 0.086
E1 (M Stephenson) 0.050 10.706 0.016 (R Abrams ) 0.026 10.354 0.004
Qualified: #19 10.679 -0.571 #24 10.504 -0.546

Brad Zaskowski wins on Dan Steed's breakout that he burped it at finish line great race day 4 Steed

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

so now nothing was wrong he was just late???????????????

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

this weekend in Mich div 3 race ,NOT Last weekend in Columbus.

Re: What would your Div director do ?
 

You must race in Div 3 all the time to understand how stupid our DD is. Bill Holt can’t even come close to Jay. Marion did get screwed last week. But it’s not a big shock Jay did nothing.