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Absurd in which way John, because of the idea or just because you don't agree. Look,how about you come up with something that will bring possibly new cars and maybe some interest in a sport that has been neglected for the past ten years or more. Well I've been attending many Divisionals and found alot of downtime between classes. Think about it " Showroom Stock Eliminator" that sounds pretty good to me. Now, where did I put those meds Ed sent me? Claude

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Claude,any class you add that's performance orientated will require teching and specs.
Like some have said,we dont need any more classes.
Btw people,the meds I sent Claude are called "reality pills".:>):>):>)

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Thanks Ed, I've taken two like you've prescribed and I now will be sleeping much better. Thank You Dr Reality. Please check my new web site that I hope to have running soon. www.showroomstock.com and the new Tshirts will be available at Indy. Two great quotes:Just because It hasn't been done yet, doesn't mean it's impossible and whether you think you can or can't you're right.( Henry Ford) Claude

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With ELEVEN classes at a divisional no more are needed !!
It takes forever to run the throttle stop classes alone !! And then the needless "bike" bracket class.
And you want to add a class with no tech or teardownns ??
Like no one would ever cheat ?...................... HA !!

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Considering that the owners of the track are the one who have to guarantee the whole purse and have to kick some money up to NHRA, how long before they say , thank you but no thank you for putting on a divisional. Think about it.

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Claude, it appears that you like to stir the pot coming up with controversial postings. Everybody is trying to make their point on why it is not going to happen. The current eliminators and classes are complex enough as they are. You just have to smell the roses and see that in the NHRA realm, you will never see a Pure Stock class created, and will not see a worst light rule implemented either. I am not implying that everything is perfect in the NHRA world. However, if you are not happy with the current system and rules, you have the option of the local bracket or similar races. If NHRA was to cater to everyone's desires and wishes, the rule book would have over 1000 pages.

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Showroom Stock not a bad idea.
Worked ok in the early 70's for a while.
Until the Cheater Grinds forced a change in the rules in 1974.

Showroom Stock would work better running by itself or competing in the Independent S/SS Series. Set up about 8/10 Classes and see what develops. Class Rules and Rank would have to be very clear and everything is factory. Gears and tires, OK.
No Headers, Trick Converters, Cams.

But think it would attract a lot of new racers. Especially the new GM, Chrysler and Ford factory V8 and V6 hotrods.

To compete in IHRA Division and National think they should be Pure Stock/Stock Legal as the rules are well defined and not too hard to upgrade to.

Not sure a Showroom Stocker owner would be willing to go through a tear down at Divisional and National races. But would be an incentive to go to the next step,

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DRUG's.....thats it......Drug's is causing this type of thinking !

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They say the pot need's to be stirred on occasion. Ok NW, I was looking at the greater good for the organization, not to have my own way or personal wishes and desires fulfill. I consider everyone on this board to have views and comments that do not reflect my own and I respect everyone of them. This is my opinion and we all know that everyone has a different opinion. I hope that we all can come up with something new because he who stays at the same place forever is prone to desappear. Terry I know you would show up with a brand new Corvette.lolClaude

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You could add Jr dragsters at divisionals let them run on Saturday only. IHRA has done this in Div 4 and 9 and get a good following. NO TECH REQUIRED. Gets kids racing at the divisional level and lots of them move on to big cars when they are older. Probably a better argument for that than a new showroom stock class.

By the way I hate Jr. Dragsters

Chip

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Just run IHRA, they're more friendly anyway.

Speaking of juniors, my kid is having a blast running his (two motors and a hub last race grrr) He wants a rail when he grows up. I said you mean a S/SS car? "naw I want a really fast dragster"

CRAP!!! I've still got a few years to work on him though.

You either have no tech (brackets) or tech (Class). To be honest, if I could drive a street car to the track and run against $100,000 S/SS cars with no tech...why the F$%^ would anybody build a S/SS car anymore? And if I'm running a $100,000 car and get beat by a daily driver that wasn't tech'd...well, I probably wouldn't be back.

I'm all for the underdog and love seeing a U/SA beat a A/SA, but the playing field is level when both tech in.

Also, unless you have holes in your palms and feet, you will "fudge" the rules. EVERYBODY will look for an advantage.

I'd rather see juniors too...heck even sleds don't bother me, but bikes, ugh! Harleys are ok but them screeching jap bikes make me want to smash something/someone!

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Very Good points !!

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Yep but my 2010 isnt in the class guide yet. Maybe I could claim it as a 2006.....LOL.

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Me 2 !

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Most are "Fudging" things now and 10-4 on the Harleys. I hate the smell of burning rice......LOL.

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IHRA should have a seperate National and Divisional meets for all the Classes.

One track feature Stock and Super Stock
Another Dot 90 Races and Bracket
Competition at another track
Bikes and Rice elsewhere
Pro Series at another.

Rotate the process you would draw more fans to watch with good marketing.

BTW is IHRA growing more thatn NHRA?

D

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I doubt IHRA will ever come back like it once was when Bader owned it. The economy wont support it today and we (the youth) is no longer a car culture like us old farts growing up in the muscle car era. NHRA looks like its headed in the same direction in the future in my opinion. Its just to expensive except for those who are well off and have been at this hobby for many years. But of course opinions are like butt holes.....everyone has one.

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That was real good Dave........can I be your campaign manager ??? hahah

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x2!

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Claude:

You have a PM

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TIRE CHANGE ONLY ??? That's funny right there !
Are the engines going to be SEALED at the factory ?
If the manifold or heads come off you can BET they will be modified in some way !!
The "pickle juice " man will go over them a bit.......

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Interesting..
Most of our ECIRS cars were basically Showroom Stock when we started.
Since we are a Bracket Race and Bragging Rights we modded our cars.
Over the last decade we have some fast Bracket Racers and Bragging Right Challenges.

I think the Showroom Stock (tech class) would not be a good solution.
The magazines drive products to produce stupid power.
Most Street Racers are not disciplined for Class Racing.

Serious Bracket Racers hang out at only a few local tracks.
Generally they are not Long Distance Travel Racers..

Showroom Stock would end up being a local gathering.

D

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Dave, you're right, payouts should be increase to pay down more spots, to help racers. We could take a lesson, from the Modified and Super Modified running at Osweego Speedway N.Y and let individual who want to contribute to certain class to add some money for class winner and so on. I know that Gary Richard doesn't have to invest in drag racing but he does, mostly because he cares, one of the reasons whenever I have a chance and I need something electronic, I buy at PC. Richards and sons. Claude

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Claude,is it me or do you see things in a different spectrum than most of us?

Quote Claude: We could take a lesson, from the Modified and Super Modified running at Osweego Speedway N.Y and let individual who want to contribute to certain class to add some money for class winner and so on. I know that Gary Richard doesn't have to invest in drag racing but he does, mostly because he cares

It will be a cold day in Hell before I would pay more than what these chizzlers are charging
us to enter div./nats.,to get better payouts.
And Gary is a bisnessman,and a very smart one.He will continue to sponsor the Div. 1
series as long as the bottom line dictates.His business will thrive with or without drag racing.The only product NHRA has is an ageing constituancy pushing a hasbeen product
that they are slowly choking financially.

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Look out Ed. The older and young guys on here will jump on you like they do me over talking about Indy being to long, to expensive and just to much Pro junk there.....LOL.

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Terry,I can't really comment on Indy,never been there.And with the current format and car I drive I probably never will.

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Hi Ed, thanks again for the pills, tonight I feel real mellllllllllllow... No I don't want NHRA to make the money, the money the fans individually gives, goes on a board and is paid to the drivers because the fans want their racers to not go broke and come back and race again and again. Gary Richards could invest his money in TV or radio ads that would give him a thousand percent better return than investing in Div 1 racing but he does it because he wants and enjoys racing at those tracks, so why not support them I'm sure is his thinking. All I'm saying is we have to do something and sometime you have to put some of your own sweat and money behind. I've helped financially in the past our local track with some money when they couldn't make a full-purse to pay the racers, I did it because it helped them but also made sure that I had a track to race at. We have to look at the big picture. Ed it's too bad that you're not in Indy, we need different brands in stock, it's going to be CJ and DP country out there. They should be moved to Factory Stock, thus eliminating all the B.S. NHRA is causing older combinations.Claude

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Ed.....You should go at least ONCE if only to watch class run offs in stock and S/S. Make it part of your "Bucket List" . The rest of the circus isnt worth watching.

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I got to go once, and it was enough for me, to be honest. The atmosphere was great (not the DA, but the people and the scene!), and there was some good racing here and there, but the 1000' racing is a turnoff. With less classes and more racing it would be unbelievable. In my opinion, the Indy of today is no comparison to the US Class Nationals.

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Watching class @ Indy is on my bucket list as is running @ Indy. I got to go in 07 on Sat.,Sun we left home @ 3am so we could be there a 7 am to see stockers run,Sunday night we stayed to around 11pm watching stock and super stock they announced 1 time that I heard that there was sportsman classes runnning later,none of the guys I was with even heard it.
The last 9 of 10 years I go on Sunday to Lucas oil @ Bowling Green I leave the house around 5am so I get there in time for first round of stock& ss well sometimes Sunday is second round.
I have been working my whole life to race on div. & natl. level ,dreaming of it since I was 4-5 years old working @ it since I was 18, now 43 still trying to get there,life keeps getting in my way,but I have this bad habit of keeping my priorities in order,my family and business have to come before racing.

I've been watching this post and my question is what is wrong with the pure stock that is already in existence in IHRA and has been for many years?
Mike Taylor 3601

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Mike,
I'm with you on the Indy thing. When I was a kid every year daddy would say we are going to the Gators this year. Something always happened, and never got to go. As a kid I always wanted to run INDY once. Everyone that has been says WHY?? I guess the same reason a dog licks his nuts CAUSE HE CAN. I don't know why. Have you ever listened to people talking about Bonneville salt flats. Same thing. It's INDY.
I guess my bucket list will include That trip to the Gators we never took and a trip to INDY.
By the way I'm 47
CHip JOhnson

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Quote Mike Taylor:I've been watching this post and my question is what is wrong with the pure stock that is already in existence in IHRA and has been for many years?
Mike Taylor 3601

Mike Ihra brought in P/S due to a dying Stock Elim. class.For IHRA it helped save it.
NHRA has enough eligible cars.Realisticly a car running with an engine it never came with,having an aluminum manifold and Holley carb. and HP factor plucked out of thin air
(sorta like the CJs and DP cars) really isn't in the spirit of Stock Elim.And I know,the CJs and DP cars.Another fiasco.One fiasco is enough.

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we talking about Pure stock Ed , i believe you just described IHRA's crate motor class with the holly and alluminum intakes

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Micheal, I wish that IHRA would be a force to be recon with, here in the east, but unfortunately they aren't. Pure stock in IHRA form, is a very good entry level and also great for budget minded racers but our choice are limited. Big difference between crate motor classes and pure stock, thanks Danny. I will continue to push the idea around, mostly now that I'm retired or is that retarded, I'm never sure which. I'm still working on my Camaro stocker but I'm feeling a pull on the wheel, everytime I pass by a Ford dealership, and see their Mustang 5.0 or convertible, sitting in the parking lot, calling my name and begging me to take them to the races. Claude

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You're right Danny.None the less it's more classes that will still require tech involvement to keep the "crafty" guys at bay.

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Chip,
Are you coming to Clay City? I not sure if I get to go or not what little money I have is setting here in the shop in floor and shelfs instead of my bifold, waiting for them to come and pickup.
Mike Taylor 3601

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Check out the Dutch Classic advertisement in National Dragster! Nown if you guys didn't believe that some people are paying attention to our forum, look at what Div 1 has decided to include in their program " American STOCK Class! Sponsored by PC Richards.com. Heads up racing! I've peppered NHRA enough that someone is listening! Now my next problem, anyone has a spare Challenger available.lol I'll probably rent one from some rental agency, anybody know a company that rents Mustangs or Challenger in PA. Thanks. Claude Ruel p.s. see Ed, if you try, someone might be listening.lol

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That hurt

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DUTCH CLASSIC, AMERICAN MUSCLE STOCK CLASS. This could be a lot more fun than watching non automobile related racing. How many are ready to use their Muscle Cars for what there suppose to be use for. I hope that the new muscle car owners aren't of the same breed that buys Hummers 1 and never to be taken it out in the dirt afraid to scratch or get dirt on their freshly waxed paint. Claude Ruel

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Sounds good Claude !
Any chance the rules for this race are posted somewhere? I would love to review them.