Originally Posted by bubski (Post 298679)

heads up runs are what class racing is all about. however with the almost non existent enforcing of the rules, the bogus new [crate motor] combos,and the under factored old school combos , what are you really proving by beating someone with one of the previously mentioned combos? the only way to make it fair is to hit the combos like they do in comp, so theres no runaway combos like there is now [i know comp has a few soft classes, but not like stock and superstock] then maybe out running your opponent may mean something. beating a F car last spring by a mile means nothing when your a C car in the fall at the same weight as you were in F. the ahfs takes to long to remedy this problem maybe 660 times and the like would help speed up the process of factoring.

Originally Posted by Joe DeMarzo (Post 298696)

In the past 5 years I have had 5 heads up runs not including class and are 4 up and 1 down. Interesting that one of the heads that I won I would up winning the race and the other I lost a heads up in the final by .003 Bogus schmogus I love the anticpation of heads up during eliminations. Bring your A game or stay home. Ya win some, ya lose some.

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 298681)

Good post.

Originally Posted by THE LEGEND (Post 298642)

Jeff'
I don't know whether you are a dumb ***** or a smart ***** but that was not the intention of the post. In fact thats one thing I enjoyed about class racing. I enjoyed trying to make my car go faster so I could win heads up runs when I had them.
I wanted to learn something here was the point of the question.
Observations
1) NHRA has a lot more heads up than IHRA
2) Div 1 and div 3 have a lot more than any other according to the racers.
3) There have been a few times when a racer has had multiple heads up in the same race.
4) I doubt 442 has had 50 in 10 years unless you are counting class Your post about Tueton winning Indy is dead on though. I remember going to Norwalk one year Beard had me covered 3 tenths or so. I remembered every rd I won I knew I could'nt when as long as he was still in. I get beat at5 and he made the finals.
5) I would think that most of you have only had a small percentage in actual racing conditions.
6) It really does'nt matter if so and so would have won that round you would have gotten another.

I don't really know where I'm going with this. I mean the possibility is always there so be ready. I do think that is the biggest difference between bracket racing and class racing.
Just remember everytime you put a dial-in on your window you are doing the same thing that JOE BRACKET RACER is doing at the home track on Saturday night.
Chip

Originally Posted by Mike Taylor 3601 (Post 298685)

Jeff,
This is straying somewhat from thread, but your car is still at that point after 4 years?
I'm very patient but my patience would have ran out about 3 years ago because it sounds like it has'nt been touched.
I think making your car back to stocker sounds like good ideal.
Mike Taylor 3601

Originally Posted by deuces wild (Post 298723)

Ed I bet you will have a few this year!!! This year you should be right there with them.

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 298733)

Gets expensive when two of the fastest in your class are in your division, and one of those two from right here in town. Cotton & Emmons are making me work & spend money. LOL

Originally Posted by bubski (Post 298716)

Mr Demarzo your racing accomplishments are many and most would be tickled pink to have your record. If im not mistaken your running a smallblock as of lately which is keeping you away from a large percentage of the crate motor cars or paper cars. Not to sound like a smart ***, i dont think your L78 in A or B stock stands much of a chance ,even with your or anyone elses A game against a AAA car at their A game , and in B stock to boot

Originally Posted by Pvt Parts (Post 298742)

Hey now that the car is "down" for the winter maybe it's time to turn it up. Lighter pistons, lightweight crank, small bearing rods, cylinder head work, block machining ..... you know the routine. 8-)

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 298746)

The block is at Patterson's right now getting the cam journals bored for 50mm roller bearings, and honed for new light pistons. Already had light pistons but was getting too loose. Already had the 1.88" Honda-sized rod journals and fairly light crank. Don't think there is much left in the heads. Another manifold and cam profiles to test. No end to it.

Originally Posted by Pvt Parts (Post 298742)

Hey now that the car is "down" for the winter maybe it's time to turn it up. Lighter pistons, lightweight crank, small bearing rods, cylinder head work, block machining ..... you know the routine. 8-)

Originally Posted by michael iacono (Post 298844)

fun fact:
In 2008 i had a total of 6 heads up runs in stock eliminator
3 at divisionals
3 at national events
lost every race but 1, someone was nice enough to red light to me..but i should have lost that one also....

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry (Post 298765)

NHRA has discouraged heads-up racing by allowing a car to not only to move down a class, but also up a class from its natural class that's posted in the Classification Guide........

The same combo can now run 3 different classes......

Originally Posted by clutch man (Post 298965)

when the heat is on, get out of the kitchen!

Originally Posted by danny waters sr (Post 298914)

4 years in stock IHRA L/SA 283 GM(and not a crate motor) ,between me and my son we have had 0 heads-up.
Been lucky and sometimes changed to a diff class as we could move up or down classes with weight ajustments.
NOW in superstock this year alone my son has had at least 5 and lost all 5 in 1st round.
Had a certain driver wait to see what class we got in and then he would turn his tech card in after ours... Then play the ladder (and so would we).....Told us he needed to make rounds and i guess we helped him.....That is one reason why you will not see the superstocker next year (at least not in superstock).,the ole saying you have to PAY to PLAY is very true,we just got tired of paying and not playing.My son will take this car and move back into his comfort zone in racing ,which is pro tree heads up throttle-stop racing( 2 IHRA world championships and numorous div titles) and big $$$ bracket racing. And i know for a fact he will be turning on a lot more W's..........We tried ,we liked ,we could not afford it..How's that for honesty ?
I still love class racing and always will.......

Originally Posted by Jim Woods (Post 299029)

what is bs about it? we too are on a budget and will be toast if we have a heads up with the newer cars. The point Danny and Chip make is the fun factor and being around people that are like minded and enjoying the comraderie. I also enjoy the family atmosphere. You dont have to be fast to win if you are not in a heads up situation.I can back that statement up . when the fun disappears so do we.

Originally Posted by ron mattson (Post 299053)

Around 25 in 10 years outside of class 15-10, it does seem like when you are the slower
guy you are hunted, then when you pick your stuff up you become the hunter.