Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

A little AFB without the weights used in the 361/305, 383s and street wedges flowed 566 on my flow bench. The inline carbs I have 3258 and 3259 flowed 445 and 450 giving almost 900 CFM to those 343 cars. The 383/343 would be an excellent choice in GT with a low profile mani similar to those used on a SS Street Hemi. Paul, how fast were the 361/305 cars going back then.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Just imagine,,,,,,,,

Dave Kempton and Doug Kahl switched to C/SA in 1966,,,,,,,
with the 383/343 HP engine,,,,,,,,

Because they thought the 13.05 National Record for C/SA at the
beginning of the year was 'SOFT'.....

and they were sure they could get the 62' 383/343 cars into the 12.90's.

National Records;
C/SA,,,,,,,,12.97,,,,,,(5/66),,,'The Lively Ones',,,,1964 Ford Galaxie 427/410 HP
C/SA,,,,,,109.35 MPH,,,,,(8/66),,,,'Fastback Club of Dearborn',,,1964 Ford Galaxie 427/410 HP

Now mid 10.60's,,,,,,,,,,,,,,:eek::eek:

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Yeah...We see them at 3 or 4 Div. 5 races and know them well. I've seen the car run 10.86 at CFR at E wt. The've run D E F and they probably ran it light in good air with a dead hook. I did'nt see it but it's capable.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

At the end of 1965, the 'Top' 383/343 HP cars were running 13.10's.

The 361/305 HP cars, the 'Top' cars were hitting 13.50's.

The National Record at the beginning of 1966 in D/SA was 13.52 @ 102.38 MPH (1962 Dodge 'Polara 500',,, 361/305 HP)

But the new challenger in D/SA, were the 65' and 66' 289/271 HP 'HiPo' Mustangs.

A 65' 289/271 'HiPo' Mustang won the D/SA Class at the Indy Nationals in 1966.

The guys running the 361/305 cars felt the 13.50 range was as about as fast as you could go,,,,,,
thats why many switched to the 383/343 engine (and one class lower).

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

361/305 HP and 383/343 HP Confusion,,,,,,,,,

Let me try to explain the Dave Kempton and Doug Kahl class confusion.

NHRA Classes;
1963/1964/1965
C/SA Weight Factor was (10.60 - 11.29 Wt/Hp)

The 1962 Plymouth Sport Fury and 1962 Dodge Polara 500 with the
361/305 HP engine combination fell into C/SA.

Both Doug Kahl (1965 World Champion) and Dave Kempton (1965 Winternationals Junior Stock Champion) campaigned in C/SA with
the 361/305 HP 1962 Sport Fury's.

They had also run this combination in 1963 and 1964.

In 1966, the NHRA bumped up the classes 'one-notch', and C/SA was now D/SA, and B/SA was now C/SA.

Both Doug Kahl and Dave Kempton switched to the 383/343 HP
engine combination, after the 1966 Winternationals....

At the 66' Winternationals, they both ran the 361/305 HP combination, but in the 'New' D/SA Class

They were running the 383/343 HP combination at the 66' Springnationals.

In 1966, they were classed in C/SA, but the weight factor of the class
was 9.50 - 10.59 Wt/Hp.

What confuses everyone is the C/SA Class.
They both kept the same cars, but switched from the 361/305 HP engine to the 383/343 HP engine in 1966.
They were still running C/SA in 1966, but the weight factors had changed.

pc

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Paul ,I really enjoy your threads, and this one is on a combo that is special to me.
my uncle ,Jack Troxell raced a 62 Ply Wagon and a 62 Dodge Cp with this combo very sucessfully in the late '60s and I spent so much time helping on it , I went out and bought a '62 Dodge wagon and built my own using his cast off parts.
Was'nt as cool to my High School friends as my '50 Olds convert it replaced, but it kicked a lot more butt!

Out of 25 or so cars I've owned over the years ,that car is on the top 5 list I'd like to have back.

I think this photo is from '69 since the car is classed as a G/SA

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Records and Class Winners for the (9.50 - 10.59) Wt/Hp Class
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1963

Indy Nationals
B/SA Class Winner
Jim Johnson
1962 Dodge 'Polara 500' 383/343 HP
* 13.39 @ 105.01 MPH

B/SA National Record Holder
Jim Johnson
1962 Dodge 'Polara 500' 383/343 HP
* 13.07 @ 108.18 MPH
September 1963
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1964

Winternationals
B/SA Class Winner
Joe Ross
1962 Dodge 'Polara 500' 383/343 HP
* 13.26 @ 104.04 MPH
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1965

Winternationals
Alan Buckmaster
1964 Ford Galaxie 500 427/410 HP
* 13.22 @ 106.25 MPH

Indy Nationals
Fastbacks of Dearborn
1964 Ford Galaxie 500 427/410 HP
* 13.06 @ 109.35 MPH

B/SA National Record Holder
Fastbacks of Dearborn
1964 Ford Galaxie 500 427/410 HP
* 13.06 @ 109.35 MPH
Septmber 1965
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1966

Winternationals
C/SA Class Winner
Wayne Torkelson
1963 Ford Galaxie 427/410 HP
* 13.40 @ 105.75 MPH

Springnationals
C/SA Class Winner
Doug Kahl
1962 Plymouth 'Sport Fury' 383/343 HP

Indy Nationals
C/SA Class Winner
Dave Kempton
1962 Plymouth 'Sport Fury' 383/343 HP
* 13.09 @ 108.69 MPH

Indy Nationals
Stock Eliminator Champion
Dave Kempton
1962 Plymouth 'Sport Fury' 383/343 HP
* 13.08 @ 108.17 (Championship Final)

World Finals
Rick Johnson
1962 Dodge Polara 500

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1967

Winternationals
SS/EA Class Winner
Dave Kempton
1962 Plymouth 'Sport Fury' 383/343 HP
* 12.70 @ 111.15 MPH

Springnationals
B/SA Class Winner
Dave Merkle
1967 Ford Galaxie 427/410 HP (?)
* 13.32 @ 104.65 MPH

Indy Nationals
B/SA Class Winner
Danny Edwards
1962 Dodge 'Polara 500' 383/343 HP
* 12.72 @ 109.63 MPH

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Out of curiosity, I have wondered if those with experience with BB MoPars would ever consider some of the odd 2-4 engines with short ram manifolds from 1960 and 61 for SS/GT. Especially the 361 and 413 engines.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

[QUOTE=Dwight Southerland;302219]Out of curiosity, I have wondered if those with experience with BB MoPars would ever consider some of the odd 2-4 engines with short ram manifolds from 1960 and 61 for SS/GT. Especially the 361 and 413 engines

Those would have to be fair to good combinations because the the limiting factor (intake manifold) is out of the picture in superstock. I just wonder how they would police carburetor placement on an manufactured manifold.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

I was also wondering about this as well...curious if edelbrock has any plans to remake an aluminum 2x4 dual carb intake...because NHRA is allowing aluminum heads on most stockers now, (supposedly)...so maybe they could reproduce an aluminum 2x4 dual carb intake that replaces the factory iron unit...or is this just wishful thinking.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

What's up with this, I don't see any Dodge's or Plymouth's listed here in this 62 Winternationals list...was this 383/343 2x4 dual carb combo not out yet.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3...fter/dlowe.jpg

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Moose,

I see you are doing your homework....;)

But let me explain,,,,,,,,,,'most honorable thread contributor'

The 1962 Dodge 'Polara 500' with the 383/343 HP combination had a
9.66 Weight-to-Horsepower Factor.

In 1962,,,,,,,,S/SA Class went from 0.00 to 9.89 Wt/Hp

Meaning, the 383/343 car would have to compete with the 413 Max-Wedge cars.

In 1963, the NHRA opened up the Stock Class, and
B/SA went from 9.50 to 10.59 Wt/Hp.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Maybe not... 65 Nats Rick Johnson beat the Ford by ALOT in the semi's and Larry Weitzel in the final. Both Rick and Larry were DQed for minor stuff. How did the Ford win ?

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

[QUOTE=Paul Wong;302221] Paul, I would think they would go with guidelines like they do for the crossram Mopar wedges and Hemis and the AMCs. They require the carbs to be positioned the same front-to-front, etc., and a minimum of 1" offset side to side.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

I'd like to see this GT combination in a car like Eric Bell's Challenger with the fresh air T/A hood.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

From the Tulsa World Finals 1966

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

On the 1962 Mopar Station Wagons,,,,

1962 Dodge Model #440 3-Seat/9-Passenger Station Wagon

Car Weight; 3608 lbs.
Wt/Hp Factor (383/343 HP) = 10.51
Classes;
1962 = S/SA
1963 = B/SA
1964 = B/SA
1965 = B/SA
1966 = C/SA
1967 = B/SA
1968 = F/SA
1969 = G/SA
1970 = H/SA
1971 = H/SA
1972 = SS/JA

Wt/Hp Factor (361/305 HP) = 11.83
Classes;
1962 = B/SA
1963 = D/SA
1964 = D/SA
1965 = D/SA
1966 = E/SA
1967 = D/SA
1968 = H/SA
1969 = I/SA
1970 = J/SA
1971 = J/SA
1972 = SS/LA


What is fairly obvious, the 62' Dodge Wagon with the 383/343 engine combination became highly desirable in 1968,
with the 10.51 Wt/Hp Factor in the new '1968' NHRA classes.

Pre-1968 (1963 thru 1967), the 62' Dodge Model #440 Station Wagon (383/343 HP), (# 3608 lbs.)
fell into the same class as the lighter (# 3313 lbs.) 62' Polara 500 (383/343 HP) 2-Door Hardtop.

Cannot find any records showing that a 62' Dodge Wagon with the
383/343 engine campaigned in 1962.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Hey PC, I've seen several black & white and color photo's of these 62 wagons on the web, but I'm not sure on what type of motors they were running as well...but I'll do some more digging.

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...chaRESIZED.jpg

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Look how mild that cam was...big factor in ET decrease in last 40 years!

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Moose,

Sometimes it is a little difficult to break down the year,,,

'GOTCHA',,,,,,,,1962 Plymouth Belvedere Wagon 2-Seat/6-Pass.
383/343 HP = 10.00 - 10.49 Wt/HP

G/SA in 1970 & 1971

Looks like it's running in bracket (Pro ET)
12.43 shoe-polished on window,,,,,,,
G/SA National Record in 1971,,,,,,right around that E.T.
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For your viewing pleasure,,,,,,,,
A 1962 Dodge Dart 'Model 440' 383/343 HP
(1969 photo of Bob Perry's,, 'The Candimatic Dodge')
@ Utica-Rome, New York,,,,,,,Class = E/SA
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4480/urd7.jpg

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

It seems that there are a couple of different listed 'camshaft lift specifications' for the 1962 383/343 HP.

1965 NHRA Document;
.425 Intake / .425 Exhaust
264 * Duration
40* Overlap

NHRA Document Issued; May 13, 1966
.445 Intake / .445 Exhaust
284* Duration

1963 Dodge Information;
.445 Intake / .445 Exhaust
294* Duration
55* Overlap

'Police Special' '383'
.430 Intake / .430 Exhaust
268* Duration

Chrysler Information on the #284 Camshaft
.484 Intake / .484 Exhaust
284* Duration

Lunati (383/343 HP Factory Replacement)
.445 Intake / .445 Exhaust
284* Duration
110* Center-Line

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Dick Maxwell wanted to approve the Stage 1 300deg cam but testing found it killed low end torque in a 383.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Burkitt's wagon and a couple of local guys, Larry Whitley and Bill Fodrie.
Bob R
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/g...to4x6Acopy.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/g...S_BR_Photo.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/g...S_BR_Photo.jpg

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

The 'NHRA Legal' Dual-quad, cast iron intake manifold...

Casting #1827899,,,,,,,

1 7/16" Primary bore / 1 9/16" Secondary bore



http://i.ebayimg.com/t/MOPAR-FACTORY...-lQ~~60_12.JPG

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Here's a story on a couple of 1962 383/343 Dodge's called "Mr. Buttons"... take a look.

http://tojo51.tripod.com/mrb.html

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Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

1962 Production Numbers;

1962 Dodge Polara 500

2-Door Hardtop,,,,,,,,,6973

Convertible,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2077

4-Door Hardtop,,,,,,,,,,3218

Total Production; 12,268

Note: September 28, 1961; Dodge introduces the Dodge Polara 500 to the public.

Note: Dodge press release, 'A New Lean Breed of Dodge',,,'smaller, lighter and more rationale'.

Note: Marketing line, 'Why should todays buyer not have luxury and performance,,,,,,the Dodge Polara offers both,,,,,,,a car with luxurious appointments and top-notch performance'.

Note: November 5, 1961; Dodge announces it will add a 4-Door Hardtop to the Polara 500 2-Door Hardtop and Convertible line.

Note; Mid-December 1961, 4-Door Hardtops are available.

Note: All Polara 500's came equipped with the 361/305 HP as the standard engine.

Note: Standard equipment included; bucket seats, special interior trim, padded instrument panel and special exterior trim.

Note: Standard equipment included; dual exhausts and up-graded suspension.

Note: Standard equipment, included an 8 3/4" rear with 3.23 gears.

Note: Standard equipment tires; 7.00 x 14". Optional tires; 7.50 x 14".

Note: The Torque-Flite automatic transmission was a $211 option.

Note: The 'Sure-Grip' differental, was a $49.70 option.

Note: A base 1962 Dodge Dart cost $2241, while the Polara 500 base sticker price was $3019.

Note: The Polara 500 'convertible', base price $3263.

Note: December 1961, the 413/385 HP (In-line Dual carbed intake) engine is an available option. Cost $195

Note: February 1962, Dodge introduces the 413 Max-Wedge 'Ramcharger' engine at the Chicago Auto Show.

Note: March 1962, Dodge announces a 'police pursuit package' is available, which includes 11" drum brakes (standard was 10" x 2 1/2"),
a special handling package, 7.50 x 14" tires, 14" x 5.5" rims, and a 'special performance version' of the 383 'S-38 Code' engine.

Note: May 1962, the 413 Max-Wedge 'Ramcharger' engine becomes available, and is offered in '2' versions. 413/410 HP and 413/420 HP.

Note: Max-Wedge 'Ramcharger' engine option cost; 413/410 HP, $374.40

Note: Max-Wedge 'Ramcharger' engine option cost; 413/420 HP, $400.00
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1962 Dodge Model #440 3-Seat/9-Passenger Station Wagon

Total Production; 3708

Note: Standard engine in the #440 Station Wagon was a 318/230 HP 2-Barrel.

Note: Approximate cost of car; $3100

Note: The 361/265 HP 2-Barrel and 361/305 HP 4-Barrel engines were options.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Rick,

February 1962
Chicago Auto Show

Dealership Sales Managers reaction;
'unsusual looking',,,,,,'odd',,,,,,'weird',,,,,,'ugly',,,,,, 'we can't sell this'

'Thank God it goes fast, so people don't have to look at it and suffer'

http://www.chicagoautoshow.com/asset...ne/1962_15.jpg

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

In the background it says "see it here Dodge Turbo Dart."

WHAT was that about?

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Charlie A,,,,

Great eyes,,,,,,,,,,,,,they are not deceiving you,,,,,,,,,,,

In January 1962, Chrysler had developed a Turbine Car,,,,,,,
The 1962 Dodge Dart Turbo,,,,

A standard 62' Dodge Dart that was modified, and equipped with a
diesel fuel powered 'Turbine Engine',,,,,,,

http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/chrysle...ept-cars-6.jpg

A good read,,,,,,

'Chryslers Turbine Car,,,,,The Rise and Fall of Detroit's Coolest Creation'
by Steve Lehto,,,,Foreward by Jay Leno

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Am I the only one that thought they stole a Thunderbird, turned it backwards on the frame and put a turbine engine in it?


http://www.google.com/imgres?q=chrys...t:429,r:7,s:10

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...O-4lq0zN_Qb4se




http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...jd41tlXUDlW9M5



Back to the subject..........

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Here is that sneaky magazine,,,,,,,,

Speed Mechanics, February 1962

Featuring;
* 1962 Chrysler Corporation Highlights
* Dodge Goes Draggin'
* Dodge Dart Model #440, 'Police Special 383'

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/SPEED-MECHANI...kK41!~~_12.JPG

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

1962 Dodge (intermediates);

Dodge Dart
Dodge Dart #330
Dodge Dart #440
Dodge Polara 500

Police Special '383'
This package was available in the Dodge Dart Model #440 only.
The Dart 'top line' trim model.

The Dart Model #440 was available in the;
2-Door Hardtop
4-Door Hardtop
4-Door Sedan
4-Door Sedan (2-Seater Suburban)
Convertible

1962 Dodge Dart Model #440 Production numbers
* 2-Door Hardtop,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,6000
* 4-Door Hardtop,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,3000
* 4-Door Sedan,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2000
* 4-Door Sedan (Suburban),,,,,,,,400
* Convertible,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2000
* Total Production,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,13,400

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

LSMFT,

No major difference between the Dart Model #440 and Polara 500.

Car weights;
Dart Model #440,,,,,#3261 lbs. (w/383/343 HP = 9.50 Wt/Hp)
Polara 500,,,,,,,,,,,,,,#3313 lbs. (w/383/343 HP = 9.66 Wt/Hp)

The Polara 500 had a different grille, it was blacked out with '7' vertical chrome strips.
A few different exterior molding trim sections.
And, some better interior trim appointments.
It also had, standard dual-exhaust.

Both cars would be in the same NHRA Class with the 383/343 HP.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

More on the 383/343 HP,,,, 'Police Special'

Found in, May 1962 Dodge Fleet Engine Service documents.

The 'special secret camshaft',,,,,,,,.(.430 lift / 268* Duration)

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

That's the std cam for the 413-385hp motors. All the Ramcharger boys were going nuts in R&D and in the parts catlogs.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Bill,

Somewhere along the line, the NHRA approved the
.445 lift / 284* duration camshaft for the 383/343 HP engine.

A Clay Smith design came in what year...???

Lunati was making the 'blueprinted replacement camshaft' in 1966.

Some 'mystery engine' we have here...

The Fleet Sales Brochure states that the 'Police Special 383' was available in the
* Dart Model #440 2-Door Hardtop
* Dart Model #440 4-Door Sedan
* Dart Model #440 4-Door Sedan (2-Seater Suburban)

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

The 383/343 'puzzle' is coming together,,,,,,,,

Origially called the 'Pursuit 8', then the 'Police Special 383',,,,,,,

In 1962, available in the
1962 Dodge Dart #440 Models of;
* 2-Door Hardtop
* 4-Door Sedan
* 4-Door Sedan (2-Seat Suburban)
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The 'original' 'Police Special 383' engine was a;
10.0- 1 Compression-ratio
.430 Lift / 268* Duration Camshaft
Hydraulic Lifters
Closed Chamber Cylinder-heads (73.5 cc) (Casting #2206924)
2.08 Intake / 1.60 Exhaust
Single 4-Barrel Intake
Carter AFB Carburetor (575 CFM; 1 7/16" x 1 9/16") (Special-tuned)
Dual-exhaust
Dual-point Distributor

8 3/4 Rear-axle
3.23 Sure-Grip Posi-rear
Heavy-Duty Suspension Package (Springs, Shocks and Torsion-bars)
7.50 x 14" Tires
14" x 5.5" Rims
Heavy-Duty Brakes (11" x 3" Front, 11" x 2 1/2" Rear)
Brake Drums (Finned for cooling / Flanged for strength)

Transmissions;
Torque-Flite w/High-speed governor
Manual 3-Speed, w/Floor shifter and 10 1/2" clutch


http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1962-Dodge-Po...oZJ6w~~0_3.JPG

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

The .425 / 264 cam in the orig 62 specs was not poduced. Jim Johnson ran the 284/.445 cam in 62 but it was not published in NHRA specs until Maxwell approved [re-approved] the 343 combo after the '65 Nats....the "Police Special" motor was NOT the 343 motor but appears to be a '61 383 4bbl motor...Bill

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Boy there sure is a lot of cops around...well gotta go...see ya around.:p

http://www.moparsbymosher.com/friend...ks-dart-01.jpg

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Knowing the car weights,,,,,,,,,,

Both the 1962;
* Dart Model #440 2-Door Hardtop (9.50 Wt/Hp),,,,,, (6000 built)
* Polara 500 2-Door Hardtop (9.66 Wt/Hp),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,(6973 built)

Approximate cost of cars with 361/305 HP engine, Torque-Flite and Sure-Grip Differential;
* Dart Model #440,,,,,,,,$2992
* Polara 500,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,$3280

Special Order Option;
* 'Pursuit 8', Police Special 383/330 HP',,,,,,,,$135

Over-The-Counter 383/343 HP Option Kit;
* Price Not Available

were perfect fits for 1963 NHRA B/SA (9.50 - 10.59 Wt/Hp) Class,
with the 383/343 HP engine.

The base Dart and Dart Model #330 were too light....

seems like the 'biggest problem' with low production numbers,,,,,,,
finding one of those cars,,,,,,,,,,,