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Hemi Moose 03-24-2012 12:31 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bret Kepner (Post 317266)
In order,

1. Yes...and we KNEW that when we made the rules. As several people have noted, the first race is a week away. If you already know what is going to happen, please post a race report and save a bunch of people the gas money of traveling to Houston.

2. Congrats, Mr. Kenney! You are the FIRST PERSON since the concept was unveiled on January 13 to ask about a payout. You read that correctly. You are the FIRST. The manufacturers, the sponsors and the many racers who've contacted us have never asked...ONCE.

In any case, here’s the deal. Car and driver are admitted FREE. PERIOD. Crewmembers have to buy an all-access armband but that’s an insurance mandate, not an ADRL decision. We debated the purse and settled on a $150 “donation” to the purse. Whatever money is taken in is paid out. ADRL takes nothing. Under normal circumstances, this should make a purse which can realistically pay $1000 to win and be able to pay the semi-finalists. We’re only accepting fourteen cars for each event, (at this point, anyway), so that would make a maximum of $2100 for the purse.

3. While I’m not the contingency director, I can tell you we’ve had far more companies wanting to become involved in this program than we could’ve believed. However, I’ll stop there since, at this point, I’m not qualified to run down the list.

4. There will not be a point champion for the 2012 program simply because we’re fully aware the will be “tweaks” necessary to make the division successful in it’s first season. In reality, it really can’t be anything BUT a success since we already have accomplished the goals for the series prior to the first event. The entire industry is talking about it, cars are being built for it, the manufacturers are elated about it and the fans are already enthusiastic if not outright thrilled.

5. The licensing question has already come up and ADRL Technical Services, (Chris Bell and Jimmy Holzman), are already working on it. You guys have no understanding at all of the incredible amount of politics we’ve had to endure through this but suffice to say the NHRA “loopholes” regarding the lack of NHRA licenses in Stock do not apply in this case.

Now, here are a few things you folks should know. The SuperCar Shootout is NOT Stock Eliminator. It was never meant to be and it never will be. The SuperCar Shootout is NOT an “entry-level” category. It was never meant to be and it never will be. The SuperCar Shootout is NOT a “sportsman” division. It was never meant to be and it never will be. The SuperCar Shootout is NOT a “filler” class. It was never meant to be and it never will be. The SuperCar Shootout is NOT an “all run” format program. It was never meant to be and it never will be.

The SuperCar Shootout IS designed with heavy input from the manufacturers and the fans. The SCS cars will be pitted as to be the first vehicles the paying spectators see when they enter the pits and the SCS cars will be located close to the manufacturers’ midway since they will be working hand-in-hand with the manufacturers and dealerships onsite.

The SCS cars will not run at the beginning or end of the event “run order”. In fact, the SCS cars run just prior to the ADRL’s marquee divisions, Pro Nitrous and Pro Extreme, during qualifying sessions. During eliminations, the SCS cars will run at 7:30 PM, 8:30 PM and 9:45 PM on Saturday night…the absolute peak time for the spectators. Eliminations will be conducted at a pace which allows a build-up of the matches, information about the teams and drivers and plenty of time to showcase the models racing and even the manufacturers themselves.

We already have drivers like David Buckner doing displays and media interviews/appearances for Houston and we will have many more doing the same at future events. The event T-Shirt for the Houston event features an SCS car (CJ) at the top. The ADRL 2012 Series T-Shirt features an SCS car (DragPak) at the top. The radio commercials for the ADRL 2012 Series mention a few classes by name but specifically mention and explain the SCS. The TV commercials are exactly the same except they include video of SCS cars.

This is no small deal. It was never meant to be and it never will be.

The SCS was created after six months of intensive discussions with representatives from all three American manufacturers. When the concept went “global”, we began talking with automakers who never previously thought about a drag racing program. The media coverage for the series, including the very first event, includes outlets which often don’t even cover drag racing. When David Frieberger of Hot Rod Magazine heard about it, he immediately committed a team for coverage. That, in itself, stunned me.

The SCS is, quite simply, a place for folks to race new performance cars, a place for manufacturers and dealerships to showcase new performance cars and a place for fans to watch heads-up drag racing between new performance cars. It’s nothing more and nothing less.

Now, I’m ugly but I’m not stupid. I know there will be plenty of racers who don’t care about, don’t agree with, can’t afford, or don’t want to compete in the SuperCar Showdown…especially here at AlwaysHappy.com. However, I’d like to ask one small favor of you.

We spent a lot of time and effort on this program. If you don’t like it, we understand. However, please do your best to not bicker, belittle or complain about something which hasn’t even completed its first event. No matter how many racers show for the first race, I know from talking to all of them that every one of them is truly excited about this deal and plans to have a good time. They know a lot of eyes will be on them but they also know they’re not a sportsman category in this format and they are a part of the “big show”. They know that being at the forefront of fan interaction is an important job and they all plan to respond accordingly. The many racers who are behind this class “get it” and understand what will come of it.

Most of you know I’ve been a racer for many years. I know the drill and I can whine with the best of ’em…even when I’m driving five hundred miles into a 100% rain forecast for a race which pays $100 to win for $101 entry. However, just this once, accept this program for what it is and either support it or sit back and watch it. You never know; it might just become as big as a lot of people think it will.

Thanks in advance.

Bret, good post....sounds like you have written some other articles in the past. ;)

boster 03-24-2012 05:08 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
#1
Bret what are you saying here ?

"If you already know what is going to happen, please post a race report and save a bunch of people the gas money of traveling to Houston."

All I have said is that I think the weight on the V10 is soft , I also said that I thought Butners car was the car to beat . I dont know thats going to happen but I do have a opinion about the up coming race and the cars . I thought that this forum was for expressing your opinions ? I have raced long enough to no that the fastest car does not always win in heads up racing and you have to run the race to win .

#2
Did I do something wrong in asking about the payout ? Guess answer on payout is none

# 3 none

# 4 none

# 5 Not answered , My question is if I'm licensed in NHRA for Stock , Super stock , Comp and Top sportsman and ADRL excepts my license (which they do ) why do I need a new physcial when mine is current ?

Bret , lighten up dont be so defensive Just asking a few simple question and I get a PR person answers to them and a simple answer would have worked . For the record I support what you , Jeff , Chris and ADRL are trying to do I Just had a few question that had not been addressed

After all you are asking racers to bring 100k plus cars to a race to be entertainment for your crowd and not offering any payout or championship at years end.

I also no a little about sponsoring heads up racing being the sponsor for IHRA Top Stock from 2004 - 2006. As a past sponsor who made mistake's I would recommend to you , listen to your critic's and address there concerns if you want the class to survive and grow . Every form of racing needs the big guys as well as the little guy . Ford , Chevy and Mopar no this thats why they have re entered stock and superstock racing . I learned the hard way racing needs the little guy dont forget about them .

Bret Kepner 03-24-2012 09:05 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
I didn't mean to be rude, Bo. I answered the questions to best of my ability. I don't want to usurp the authority of the tech guys so I deferred those questions. On the payout, I just wanted to mention nobody had ever asked.

I take everybody's criticism as seriously as their compliments. As I pointed out early, if anybody finds any discrepancies in the rulebook, please bring it up so we can clarify the point.

boster 03-25-2012 12:20 AM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Bret , Im cool with that . I do think the physical thing should be looked into ASAP by all envoled at ADRL . I could make a difference in the car count . I do want the series to survive and do well . I would also like to win that ADRL World Championship Belt in the future .

I have looked at the website but dont see a place to register for the SCS races , maybe you can post a link

Joseph Teuton 03-25-2012 09:49 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
One more week and we will see just how much fun we will have!!! I am looking forward to this in every which way possible!! Let's stop the complaining and RACE!! Good luck to all who will be competing and to those who are not SIT DOWN, SHUT UP, AND ENJOY the SHOW!!!!

Once again thanks ADRL for having this class!!!!!!!

Andrew Hill 03-25-2012 10:45 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Just wondering, is there anything stopping someone from running one of the Cobra Jets with the big 4.0L blower that the SS/A-B cars use?

Andys dad 03-26-2012 12:25 AM

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Bret Kepner 03-26-2012 09:57 AM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Actually, it's plainly posted in the rules under INDUCTION SYSTEM, Supercharger:

The ADRL Technical Services Department maintains a list of OEM superchargers originally offered for production vehicle use. Supercharger eligibility for the SCS is not guaranteed and constructors should consult with the ADRL Technical Services Department prior to committing to a specific supercharger model. At present, the 4.0 liter, (244.20 cubic inches), displacement Whipple unit is not eligible for SCS participation.

Andrew Hill 03-26-2012 10:23 AM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bret Kepner (Post 317692)
Actually, it's plainly posted in the rules under INDUCTION SYSTEM, Supercharger:

The ADRL Technical Services Department maintains a list of OEM superchargers originally offered for production vehicle use. Supercharger eligibility for the SCS is not guaranteed and constructors should consult with the ADRL Technical Services Department prior to committing to a specific supercharger model. At present, the 4.0 liter, (244.20 cubic inches), displacement Whipple unit is not eligible for SCS participation.

Ok, it would be really unfair to allow those big blowers in, so that's good. I still think the stocker blown CJs will be the fastest, but I guess we will see!

PB Candies 03-26-2012 04:54 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Bret, Can you post who is attending the SCS at Royal purple Raceway.
Thanks,
PB Candies

Jack Hodge 03-26-2012 05:56 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
If there are any CJ guys that want to swap out to the small SC, we have 3 in stock.

Joseph Teuton 03-26-2012 06:21 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Any predictions on what it will take to win this thing????

Come on now somebody has to know!! Lol

KRatcliff 03-26-2012 06:22 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Bo Butner red light?

Joseph Teuton 03-26-2012 06:38 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
You must drive a mustang!

boster 03-26-2012 07:42 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
I think it will take at least a 5.80

Joseph Teuton 03-26-2012 08:11 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Ummm maybe I shouldn't have been talking trash!! Lol oh well guess we'll see just how this will turn out. I might be in trouble!!:confused:

does anyone know if Butner is going?

I hope this turns out to be a full class!!

Andrew Hill 03-26-2012 08:25 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Randi Lyn posted a timeslip where Bo went 8.99 a few weeks ago, his 1/8th time was 5.730 at 120, no idea what the weight was though

Joseph Teuton 03-26-2012 08:45 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
I herd that also but I also know that he has broke a few superchargers which means that he is messing with the internals of it, which is illegal.... I hope they enforce the rules on the superchargers!!!

boster 03-26-2012 09:36 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Im sure Bo is not messing with the super charger . He was torn down at Indy and passed . If your going to out run his car you better be able to run 5.80 . He is a pass world champ and knows how to win . He also has a brand new motor ust for this race and it made big power .

The supercharger's on the mustangs break due to heat that builds up in them , then as racers we try to rappid cool them which cause issues with the blades and the bearings . On my 2012 SC 4L car the blades galled on the car after 20 runs and had to be repaired . We now use a air temp sensor from fast to track the heat and keep the intercooler runing all the time . On factory cars with factory ECU the temps go to over 200 degree's on a single run . We are now able to keep the temp to around 135 degrees and save the SC from damage since switching to fast

Joseph Teuton 03-26-2012 09:48 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Mr Kenny I believe we all know that his super charger was questionable at Indy. I'm not questioning his driving one bit and no Im no world champ but we do have one of those on our team. I just hope that the tech guy is versed on them and from what I'm told he's a ford guy so y'all shouldn't have a problem. But yes the chargers are being overdrivin so that the spin faster internally. I'm not the smartest person in the world but when one car has all of the same cars beat by two tenths, then i guess he's just that good, RIGHT? Lol too funny!

Jeff Teuton 03-26-2012 09:53 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Yall gonna make us soup up the car. I tried not to, but I guess I just can't stand it. This really could become somethig nice to do in spite of the good natured jousting, or maybe because of the good natured jousting. Bo, how about that lawyer yankee guy? Maybe my bank could make him a loan to get a car? Just trying to help.

Andrew Hill 03-26-2012 10:16 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
I was looking over the rules and saw wheelie bars aren't allowed, I bet we will see some BIG wheelies!

Jeff Teuton 03-26-2012 10:23 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
You gotta tune the suspension, twist the simi-4 link- loosen the right rear shock upward, loosen the left rear downard, tighten the right top bar 3 flats, tighten the left front shock upward, run the tires left 22, right 18. Nothing to it. 715 ft/lb torque works there.

Joseph Teuton 03-26-2012 10:25 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Yes that will surely make things interesting. Almost like an equalizer for some cars!! VERY FUNNN!!!!!!!

SS Engine Guy 03-27-2012 01:48 AM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JOSEPHTEUTON (Post 317855)
Mr Kenny I believe we all know that his super charger was questionable at Indy. I'm not questioning his driving one bit and no Im no world champ but we do have one of those on our team. I just hope that the tech guy is versed on them and from what I'm told he's a ford guy so y'all shouldn't have a problem. But yes the chargers are being overdrivin so that the spin faster internally. I'm not the smartest person in the world but when one car has all of the same cars beat by two tenths, then i guess he's just that good, RIGHT? Lol too funny!

No sc work. Puts lots of money in right places with quality people. And best of all Bo will push it hard. 8.99 isn't nothing. There has been more R&R done on that car in the past few months than any of that type out there. Probably do the same when the copo is out if its worth a darn.
Heads up, big dollar race cars, gotta luv it. Congratulations to all involved and especially to the competitors!

Chris Holbrook 03-27-2012 06:54 AM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SS Engine Guy (Post 317882)
No sc work. Puts lots of money in right places with quality people. And best of all Bo will push it hard. 8.99 isn't nothing. There has been more R&R done on that car in the past few months than any of that type out there. Probably do the same when the copo is out if its worth a darn.
Heads up, big dollar race cars, gotta luv it. Congratulations to all involved and especially to the competitors!

Thank You!!!!!
Its always been that way somebody puts alot of R & D and alot of hard work and $$$ in their combination and goes fast. Right away their cheating. I assure you the supercharger and engine is legal! I hate being called a cheater!

Thanks, Chris Holbrook

boster 03-27-2012 09:06 AM

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Jeff , the little yankee guy up north got is car . It was ordered first day red , no stripes and a big blower . Rules say the little guy cant race , whats up with that ? He is very sad as he really want some of the SCS and mopar and ford

Joey , all I can says its been my personel experience if its questionable at Indy you go home for a year .

Good luck to all this weekend catch you in Bristol

Joseph Teuton 03-27-2012 09:44 AM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
I just want to clear the air, the statements that i posted came from a fellow sc cj racer. His words were... "you dont blow up superchargers if your not messing with the internals. We are racing one and so are alot of other people and he is the only one that is having any trouble with that combination. So that can only lead me to believe that is has to be overdriving the underdriveof the supercharger."
trust me i would not waste what little space i have in my head filling it with ford information.

Also no one has ever said that the 8.99 run wasnt impressive. Just as no one ever questioned bo's driving. Dont change things around.

Chris, if you are the crew chief for bo, then congrats on an great tune up! If not, well i dont have much to say to you.

I am glad to see that we have cars trying to run at there full potential. That away when we decide to finally build a "race" engine with one of our viper motors we will be able to set our goal 10x's the fastest guy. Please dont forget that we have not taken the valve covers off our motor much less gone through the motor.

Hope everyone has a blessed and wonderful day!!!!!

boster 03-27-2012 10:08 AM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Wow , told you that V10 was under rated 9.26 not even taken the valve cover off ( LMAO)

Joseph Teuton 03-27-2012 10:19 AM

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Lol, good one Bo. i will say it like the guy did earlier...we just haven't spent the $$$ or done enough R&R yet!!

Joseph Teuton 03-27-2012 10:22 PM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Bo any word on having to have a new physical?

Bret Kepner 03-28-2012 01:50 AM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Physical does not need to be new.

boster 03-28-2012 07:08 AM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Yes , everything is worked out . ADRL step up and resolved it thanks for all the help. See you in Bristol for sure

Joseph Teuton 03-28-2012 08:56 AM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Thanks for the info Bret. See u in Houston.

FordRacer 04-02-2012 09:27 AM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Joe, so you called out all Mustangs, then you "broke" when you had to face one pulling it into your tralier? Looks like you were a bit afraid of the Cobra......

boster 04-02-2012 09:29 AM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Remember the 5.80?

BlueOval Ralph 04-02-2012 10:02 AM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
So I ask and no one answered were the Ford SuperCharged or were they 428 CJs NA?

lstanford 04-02-2012 10:08 AM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph (Post 319116)
So I ask and no one answered were the Ford SuperCharged or were they 428 CJs NA?

Small blower CJ's.

BlueOval Ralph 04-02-2012 11:18 AM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Thanks

Ed Wright 04-02-2012 11:38 AM

Re: Calling out all Mustangs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FordRacer (Post 319107)
Joe, so you called out all Mustangs, then you "broke" when you had to face one pulling it into your tralier? Looks like you were a bit afraid of the Cobra......

Seriously??


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