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Billy Nees 06-10-2012 09:23 PM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joe huestis (Post 330650)
Of all the dime rocket combos mentioned on this site during the last year, which single combo gives the best bang for the buck ? I'm talking a consistent combo which would be effected the least by weather changes, etc. Running a lower class stocker I see first hand how conditions affect my 2bbl. equipped motor, especially when the heat and humidity sets in ! A question for all the "rocket" engineers.

The one with the biggest carb and the most compression in the smallest car! Now will somebody please build something!

Ed Wright 06-10-2012 09:29 PM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
What is the '86 1/2 ton 305" Q Jet pick up rated at?

Billy Nees 06-10-2012 09:31 PM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
305s not in the guide.

Ed Wright 06-10-2012 09:59 PM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 330664)
305s not in the guide.

Then, the guide is wrong. They were 305"s, there were millions of them.

Tom P 06-11-2012 12:30 AM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
305, 350, 035 530... same three numbers?

MikeMoller 06-11-2012 06:38 PM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 330671)
Then, the guide is wrong. They were 305"s, there were millions of them.

The guide is just incomplete, combo never submitted or approved.

Tom Moock 06-11-2012 06:53 PM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
MikeMoller,go to guide for 1986 truck engine blueprints specifications, looks like it was approved on 4-19-11 in yellow 350 165hp. Tom

Frank B. 06-11-2012 07:46 PM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
The 350 in the guide is a dish piston low compression motor not a flat top motor.

Tom Moock 06-11-2012 08:00 PM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
FrankB, same piston as my 1978 malibu wagon 287 hp if i raced my wagon with a 350 motor. Tom

Frank B. 06-12-2012 01:17 AM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
The truck motor is a 8.2 to 1 motor the car motor is 10.3 to 1 . The deck height is different on the 2 motors.

PJ305 06-12-2012 07:46 AM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
Frank B. if 2 points of compression is worth 122hp. sign me up lol !!!!

Frank B. 06-12-2012 08:46 AM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
:D I hear you compression shouldn't hurt it at all. I was just saying that the 2 engines are just a little different. Wish I had 5 or 6 of the dime rockets hanging around. I don't think I would have trouble selling them:D

Ed Wright 06-12-2012 08:57 AM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
Anybody that can't make that one run about a day under needs to find another hobby.

Tom Moock 06-12-2012 09:56 AM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
FrankB, The truck motor gets to use a bigger cam .430-.430 cam. Tom

Dan Wilson 06-12-2012 10:33 AM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
Look at the 86 blueprint. 165hp is a 305.
Dan

Ed Wright 06-12-2012 10:52 AM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Wilson (Post 330899)
Look at the 86 blueprint. 165hp is a 305.
Dan

That makes more sense, and is what I think is actually correct.

Rick Schilling 06-12-2012 11:08 AM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
Truck blueprints are below the car listings. Same heads with more cc's and different piston. Still the ultimate dime rocket (for now).

Nick Heath 06-12-2012 11:13 AM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Wilson (Post 330899)
Look at the 86 blueprint. 165hp is a 305.
Dan

There's a 305 AND a 350. For whatever reason, the blueprint specs for car and truck motors are separated.

If you look at the 1986 Chevrolet blueprint specs...you'll see the 305/165.
If you look at the 1986 Chevrolet TRUCK blueprint specs you'll see the 350/165.

Ed Wright 06-12-2012 12:04 PM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
If the guide shows an '86 1/2 ton pick up with a 350" but no 305", the guide is wrong. Somebody writing the guide transposed two numbers. I have worked on easily a couple hundred 1986 1/2 ton 305"s, they are as common as dirt. I have never seem a factory 1/2 ton 350". This is Oklahoma, all these cowboys around here have at least one pick up. I have had a couple of pick ups through my shop. LOL

Dennis P Chapman 06-12-2012 12:10 PM

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Could just be a paper truck or just build for Ca you never know.

Chris Hill 06-12-2012 01:27 PM

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Just for the record, we did not get the 350 combo approved. But who ever did, THANK YOU!

Doug Domm 06-12-2012 01:51 PM

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I owned an 86 that I bought near new from a family member that purchased it new and it WAS a 350. Having said that I do live in Canada and perhaps it was a Canada only thing. See! We really must be special. Wink wink nudge nudge

Rick Schilling 06-12-2012 01:52 PM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hill (Post 330923)
Just for the record, we did not get the 350 combo approved. But who ever did, THANK YOU!

You were the first ones I thought of when I first discovered this combo. I wonder who it really was and why it took so long for one to surface?

k.pascoe 06-12-2012 04:02 PM

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2 Attachment(s)
I think every one can read this it shows a 350 ci 165 hp.

Tom Moock 06-12-2012 05:59 PM

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Rick Schilling, the truck 350 uses the same piston as 350 in camaro and malibu wagon 287hp,look under NHRA accepted products list for 1986 truck.

Rick Schilling 06-12-2012 07:11 PM

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You are correct Tom. I was refering only to the 1986 model year.

Jack McCarthy 06-12-2012 08:56 PM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
ya'll build one and
1. ill be there for your first class race just for giggles
2. i will bet $500 the caddy outruns it and ill give you 2 races to sort it out...

captain jack

p.s. love a good u/sa shootout :)

Tom Moock 06-12-2012 10:08 PM

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Jack, I talk to Bob about this truck in U/SA, he think`s the truck would run 2.5 seconds under. Tom

Mark Yacavone 06-12-2012 10:22 PM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Moock (Post 330976)
Jack, I talk to Bob about this truck in U/SA, he think`s the truck would run 2.5 seconds under. Tom

With all due respect, I say closer to 3.00 under..
Takes about 375 hp to do it...
Seeing a decent 305 will make that......

Somebody plug in the values...Remember, .430 lift cam

Chris Hill 06-12-2012 10:26 PM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy (Post 330966)
ya'll build one and
1. ill be there for your first class race just for giggles
2. i will bet $500 the caddy outruns it and ill give you 2 races to sort it out...

captain jack

p.s. love a good u/sa shootout :)

You sure about that Jack? The $500 will pay for 1/2 the engine.

Paul Wong 06-13-2012 12:00 AM

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500 wont pay for the pistons if you want to go 2.5 under.

RULER 06-13-2012 12:18 AM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
If you want to go 2.5 or more under with this combo you will have about 900.00 in pistons 600.00 in rings another 1500.00 in valves and springs about 500.00 in cam and lifters if you do that cheap plus all the rest, and last i checked this type of truck isn't that cheap as a core. So a decent one could be built for about 12 to 15k if you did alot of your own labor witch by todays dollars would be about the best bang for the buck out there!!

Bobby Zlatkin 06-13-2012 04:27 AM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
Ed Wright is correct. The only 8 cyl. you could get in a '86 1/2 ton was a Q-jet 305. Cast iron intake. Same exact motor thats in a '82-84 Camaro rated at 243 hp except you can use a bigger cam in the truck. I bought one new (short bed, step side). It was either that or a 4.3 V6.

After being absent for several years, 1987 was the first year you could get a 350 back in a 1/2 ton. And it was a TBI.

With a 3/4 ton or bigger, it was a whole different ball game.

Tom keedle 06-13-2012 04:41 AM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis P Chapman (Post 330916)
Could just be a paper truck or just build for Ca you never know.

wasn't some of the V-8 california monzas built with 350's for emmisions reasons?
could it be the same sorta deal for the trucks?

Tom keedle 06-13-2012 04:46 AM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Zlatkin (Post 331001)
Ed Wright is correct. The only 8 cyl. you could get in a '86 1/2 ton was a Q-jet 305. Cast iron intake. Same exact motor thats in a '82-84 Camaro rated at 243 hp except you can use a bigger cam in the truck. I bought one new (short bed, step side). It was either that or a 4.3 V6.

After being absent for several years, 1987 was the first year you could get a 350 back in a 1/2 ton. And it was a TBI.

With a 3/4 ton or bigger, it was a whole different ball game.



hmmm, i've sure rejetted a LOT of 85 1/2 ton pickups with 350's in 'em.......

Ed Wright 06-13-2012 10:03 AM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom keedle (Post 331004)
hmmm, i've sure rejetted a LOT of 85 1/2 ton pickups with 350's in 'em.......

They weren't available when I ordered an '85. Couldn't get 350"s until the TBI 1987 trucks.
Mine was so stinking slow with 3.08 gears and a 700R4 it down shifted on hills on the interstate. I put a 350" TPI in it. Don't know why they didn't put those in at the factory. Liked low RPM and got better mileage than the Q Jet 305" ever did. Pretty quick compared to other pick ups.

Rick Schilling 06-13-2012 11:09 AM

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I think the whole thing is really just an elaborate scheme intended to divert everyone's attention away from the "new" cars...LOL.

P.S. It seems to be working.

Tom Moock 06-13-2012 11:46 AM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
If you read passed post of Richard Muhlenhardt, he is the person who asked for this truck to listed in guide, just guessing and he asked questions about grade points to enter indy, also he is the person who went 1.32 under at brainerd points meet. maybe richard and larry hill could have a match race in U/SA for number one qualifier at indy.Tom

Irondog 06-21-2012 11:19 AM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
In 1986, did they produce a shortwheelbased truck? And if so, what was the measurement?

Ed Wright 06-21-2012 11:08 PM

Re: NHRA approves a new "Dime Rocket"!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by freddiesboy1557 (Post 332203)
In 1986, did they produce a shortwheelbased truck? And if so, what was the measurement?

They did make a short wheel base 1/2 ton. But I do not remember what it measured.


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