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Mark I hate to tell you but NHRA says it IS a real stocker and really that is all that matters....

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First off I ain't picking on anybody, just had some thoughts.

I was told once by Wesley Roberson, that NHRA did not make you choose the particular car that you race. Each individual can choose what ever car they want and then compete with it. What he did tell me was, I had to adhere to the rules that were established by NHRA concerning my car choice.

I don't understand how a person can pick a particular car and when he finds himself at a performance disadvantage, wants NHRA to bail them out over a poor choice of vehicles and allow something that never came with the car.

Maybe we can all get Superchargers to level up the playing field??

Nothing should surprise us anymore. Integrity.....whats that??

RJ

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I agree. Ditto HP reductions from the factory hp ratings when someone can't make one run fast enough. I feel like all HP reductions from factory HP ratings are bogus. If they aren't capable of making it fast enough, it's either their lack of capability, they are trying to pull something (probably the most common thing) or they should have been smart enough to have picked another combo. Most all HP reduction combos end up extremely fast. Guys that got 30 or 40 HP reductions from their factory HP ratings probably can't stop smiling. LOL

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Yep that's true, Mack... and we have this joker we see on TV all the time that's supposed to a leader or some such thing, and that's all that matters too.....Enough said there..

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You compairing NHRA with our so called leader.... Drag racing is just a sport... A so called leader is something else. They aren't in the same "boat" if you think so you are badly mistaken.....

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And to think the topic of this thread was "Should the MOPAR V10 DragPak get a 3 speed"! Lmao boy has this got of the trail!!!

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Gee ,I thought it was a pretty good analogy..
Okay , what 's the one about putting lipstick on a pig??
The point is, some of us will never accept the factory ringer F/X car as legitimate Stockers, no matter what NHRA calls them.


Joseph, You posed a question in the section used by the general public.
Don't you think it's fair to point out how you got to the point where you can only used a Powerglide 2 speed in the first place? I'm sorry..make that Powerflite

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Mark what the heck are you talking about?? I believe everyone knows how I got to the point of only being able to using a powerglide. 😱 And if you don't know then you must be a Internet dragracer!! Nhra is considering allowing us a 3 speed so that's why I started this thread. Yes I understand that the general public uses this form but this is a specific thread asking a specific question. If I had to guess you are properly a lot more educated than I am considering you compare NHRA to the President. That is above my grade level. But thank you for giving my little thread some of your time and worthiness.

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[QUOTE=Mark Yacavone;336559]Gee ,I thought it was a pretty good analogy..
Okay , what 's the one about putting lipstick on a pig??
The point is, some of us will never accept the factory ringer F/X car as legitimate Stockers, no matter what NHRA calls them.



Mark, we are on the same page on the politicial side.... But we still differ on the Stocker side..... NHRA is still the rulemaker, and will continue to rule as it sees fit... You have the right to disagree with them but you probably will get better results just sitting in your yard and howling at the moon!!!!!

Joseph, sorry for hijacking your thread..... I'm done...

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Sure..Why not? Whatever you want and need...Go for it!



Sorry for hijacking your thread too ,boys

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I still say YES!

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could not have said it any better.

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I'm not sure but I believe y'all must be referring to me.... Well here I go, first I'm not asking anyone to bail me out! We are just looking for the advantages that everyone else has. I mean really?? Do you think we need to be "bailed out"? If I'm not mistaken we have the fastest A/S, F/SA, and CC/SA, so I really hope that wasnt directed at the Teuton camp. If it was well I guess everyone will just have to wait till Indy to see what this is all about!

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Who cares?

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Your point is well taken,but do you have ANY idea how a 390 Ford is allowed to use Edelbrock heads in STOCK ELIMINATOR,yet NHRA will NOT approve them for an Olds 455???

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Yes they should get a 3 speed. 3 on the tree with a syncro first gear!

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I think they should have 5 speed Lenco's

JimR

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It's all a joke anymore anyway. What Ford or Chrysler ever came with a Powerglide? What Chrysler or Camaro ever came with a 9" rear end?

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Ed arent you old enough to remeber
Chrysler Powerflite and the Fordomatic both were 2 speed about the same time as Chevys Turboglide don't have a excuse for the 9 inch but remember GM did use the top loader 3 speeds in GTO and 442 if you ordered a 3 speed

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Daryl I have oftened wondered why only some Fords, Chev and Mopars got aftermarket heads and not all. Since I know very little about the Olds heads I can only venture a quess. Is it because there is a difference in configuration, valve size, etc., or because there are only a handful of Olds racers and a lack of letter writing to NHRA?? I am very serious and not trying to make light of it, I really do not know the reason. By the way I run the factory cast iron heads. Good Luck

Joey

I can appreciate your passion and it is to be admired, but I believe that you may have answered your own question as to why you shouldn't be allowed to change out your Powerglide for a ProTrans 3 speed. If you have the "Fastest" A/S, F/SA, CC/SA etc., etc., why in the world do you need more "Advantages".

On your comment about it being directed at the Teuton Camp......since you represent them...all I can say is "if the shoe fits.....?"

I await Indy with bated breath..........

Good Luck

RJ

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But Ralph, they weren't Powerglides. If they put Powerflites in the Chryslers and Fordomatics in the Fords, that would be legit. If the GTO came from the factory with top loaders (I wasn't aware of that), they should be legal. The Chryslers & Camaros never came from the factory with a Ford 9" rear.

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They were two speeds and the Toploader was a HD 3 speed.

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Rj,

you are correct about the passion and yes we do have the fastest a/s, f/sa, and cc/sa but if im not mistaken a powerglide is not in either of our a/s nor f/sa. Nhra came out with this showdown class for indy and we would like to play. So we asked them to level the playing field and let everyone have a 3 speed that came with a powerglide. As we all know "most" of the cars all came with a powerglide, hince that everyone would get a 3 speed. So did i answer my own question.....not really. If we are to stay in cc/sa then i dont believe the push would be as hard for the 3 speed. But if you want the fastest cars from the top 3 then everyone should be able to run the same equipment.

I also await indy............

Good luck to you as well sir.

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I suppose I will be eaten up for this but - we were in BB/SA this weekend at Sonoma - I think our back to back 9.24s this weekend with 1.27 60fts makes us the fastest - I thought you ran 9.26 in BB/SA right after getting our tune up from DC Performance - however I will say - hardly any of the remarks in this thread have anything to do with the title - we have worked with what we bought (a 2 spd) and can do more - the two speed is fine -- BTW - I got "official" word - we are getting our 3 spd next year

Ron

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Ralph, saying "they were 2 speeds" is like saying GM & Chrysler had rears with removable 3rd members, thus making them the same as a 9".

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What 3 speed auto would you use? Another purpose built racing transmission or a modified torqueflite also why not add a 4 or 5 speed manual trans. New Challengers use a 5 speed while no one uses a three speed auto anymore.

Just another thought; how long will this factory built race car trend go on, will they pull out within a year or two or longer?

JimR

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When the newnes wears off and the pipeline is full. GM has found out how hard it is to pull off.

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its a powerglide

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Well I'll add a little fuel to the fire here!

This is fact and not opinion gentlemen.

Is it fact that the Teuton #000 car hasn't had the heads off yet and has run in the 9.20's which I witnessed myself, and the Durham's ran 9.24 this weekend?

I seem to think this to be factual.

I ran against Joey in #000 V10 Challenger (powerglide) in our UNTOUCHED 2012 supercharged CJ (3 speed) in BB/SA class finals in Belle Rose at Sportsnationals and just got stomped! Best our car ever ran was on that run and it was 9.54.

So is that a fair and accurate comparison to "untouched" stockers?

Again, no opinion, just straight up facts!


Brett Candies
Stock/SS 4192

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Ford seems to have it pretty streamlined.

So the current V10s that are running 9.2s with the as delivered factory engine need an extra gear and 200# to be competive with the Cobra Jets?

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Gary Coe was running 9.6s with his AAA/SA 2013 Cobra Jet.

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9.60s/9.70s with our 2012.

Brett Candies
Stock/SS 4192

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9.06, Bill Skillman this past weekend at Columbus...

Dennis Breeden

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How can someone be complaining about having a disadvantage when they've never taken the heads off the motor!?! Do people think Butner, Skillman, etc. have done no work to their motors to run in the 8s? Stock Eliminator does not mean take a stock motor and run quick with it, it actually takes work! I don't care how good the V10 is from the factory, there is no way that a good engine builder could fail to make improvements.

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My point exactly Andrew.

And I do not believe Skillman ran his "untouched."

Brett Candies
Stock/SS 4192

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I don't know why I care but ours has had plenty of work done on it and has undergone many changes. I am not sure what the point is when you buy a purpose built, factory race car, authorized by NHRA to run in stock eliminator. Seems to me for one hundred grand it better be fast out of the box but you must keep working on it or the field will pass you by

I am not sure who I would believe when they say it is "untouched" - is that worth bragging about? or is it just a head game?

Ever heard the old story about a guy telling tech "I know that guy is cheating" tech said "how do you know?" the guy said "because I am and he is faster than me"
If 000 is "untouched" it is real fast - because we have been working our butts off to be as fast as we are

I think everybody expected way too much out of these V10s - they are quite a piece but nothing like the Fords - they are unreal with the blower and some of the NA cars are stupid fast

It really is not worth talking about - racers do not usually tell everybody everything when they are trying to out run you

Ron

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just curious how you arrived at the conclusion you /we are the fastest cc/sa just curious

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Mr. Durham, I believe that we agree, just in different wording. And I should have been clearer as to not assuming that you guys have not worked on your car.

Just was stating that your car is fast and so is 000. 000 is claimed to have not had the heads off.

Congrats on running that well this weekend. Hope we get to meet you guys somewhere along the way.

Brett Candies
Stock/SS 4192

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No worries no offense taken - just saying them Cajuns are tricky - the special language and all - LMAO

I spoke with NHRA and hope they will have the new class at the SportsNationals in Las Vegas in October

Everyone should be out for the four races in five weeks

Tough on the budget and job but who could resist

Ron

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if i had to guess its because i havent seen nor ran anyone faster than me............just saying.