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Some of us are Sterling! Others just don't care, or don't know to protect a good combo. They trigger reviews on red lights, bye runs and in qualifying, then go build or claim a different combo. Just plain dumb in my mind!

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Carey, it depends what runs you did it on. For the AHFS only your quickest qualifying run counts and ALL elimination runs count towards your average. Class elimination runs that are not qualifying runs are used for "data only" whatever that means. So your overall (class) average for that review period had to be more than .85 under your index.

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Thank you for the clarification, but I guess I'm still confused why it got hit then?

Below are all of my runs at NHRA events in the 2012 season. I only went to 3.

SS/DX index - 9.05

***Indy Division Race***

Q1 - 9.453 - .403 over (broke, done for event)

***Joilet Division Race***

Q1 - Skipped
Q2 - 9.124 - .074 over
Q3 - 9.058 - .008 over
E1 - 8.134 - .916 under

***US Nationals***

Q1 - 8.363 - .687 under
Q2 - 8.228 - .822 under
Q3 - 8.005 - 1.045 under
Q4 - 8.38 - .670 under
C1 - 17.387 - 8.337 over
Q5 - 8.134 - .916 under
E1 - 7.923 - 1.127 under
E2 - 8.643 - .407 under

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I believe your counted average works out to be .87375 under. Doing this on my phone so I may have goofed.

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That would explain it.

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Runs slower than -.35 under do not count for the average. Quickest run in qualifying and all runs in eliminations count. If you are the only one in your class, you control your own destiny. Going by your posted ET's your average is -.87375 as has already been stated on here. That is quicker than the -.85 it takes to give you an index hit. At least you can say you are the quickest in your class.

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Only the quickest Q run counts All E runs count You have to go .35 or better under to count any run
So in their books it's

***Joilet Division Race***
E1 - 8.134 - .916 under

***US Nationals***
Q3 - 8.005 - 1.045 under
E1 - 7.923 - 1.127 under
E2 - 8.643 - .407 under[/QUOTE]
Your average is .873 under Your fastest trigger is 1.127 So you get a tenth.

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Who went fast in SS/GM?

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Engles?

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Doug Engels?

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Must be. That would make sense. I was hoping the M wasn't a misprint.

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Maybe if people stopped trying to protect their index the AHFS could work for all the combos. Run it wide open foot to the floor for a 1/4 mile and let the chips fall where they may? I must be an idiot who thinks drag racing is a about accelerating for 1,320' as quick as you can and wringing out every bit of performance. I can understand not running the car all out when your oppenent has issues(redlight-spin-parts failure-bad R/T) and you don't need to push the car to win and preserving the car/engine/drivetrain for another round that day. But I really can't understand giving up a win to protect your index/factor or the "gentlemens agreements" to run to 1,000' again to protect the index/factor.

Don't hate the player, Hate the game.

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I would say if the hp factor in superstock is so easy, maybe you should switch to superstock.

Ernie Neal
SS 354

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I agree with you on the fact that anyone that dumps a race so as not to get factored. Should stay home then they will not get factored. No sense in killing it on a bye run or if you want to play a qualifying game. But when it counts run it. And let the cards fall where they may.
I would love to race to the 1000' mark LOL At 1000' if I'm not ahead I'm broke LOL

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Thanks guys.

Understood now. :D

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Did NHRA streamline the factors, and now Sticks and auto are lumped together for factoring? I just found out my combo got 5, and neither of the guys that race this combo with a stick hit the trigger. I looked at the factor in the guide and there is no seperation of Stick and Auto HP as well. Was this something new in the policy that got implemented without anybody knowing? Maybe this means they are going to combine us in class soon?

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Thats not right. If an automatic combo is responsible for the horsepower, only the auto should be affected. I would be emailing Bruce and getting this corrected.

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E-mail Bruce and work on getting sticks & autos combined. Such a pu**y way to race!

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My stick combo in stock is still 500hp. The auto version received a 7hp bump.

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Like I said, put 'em all together. Don't be selfish!

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Stick combo vs Auto combo

That'd be 16 cars in class at Indy this year.

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I am not sure of this, but my understanding is that when it is triggered, then both the stick and auto averages are looked at, both will get power if the averages are over -.85. I don't think it matters if it was triggered by a stick or auto.

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From the AHFS website.

"With regards to transmission type, if the class average triggers the review, the adjustment would be for classes with the type of transmission triggering the change. However, if an engine family average triggers the review, the adjustment would be for all transmission types."

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That clears it up for me. Thanks

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Had talked to Bruce about glides vers turbos and there impact on hp when they oked them. His coment was regarding to whatever trans was in the car 2 or 3 speed the autos got power. The same would be 3 to 4 speeds in the sticks. Could be wrong on this. Tom

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Quit your bitching Bryan...LOL...I got hit for 8 this year...DAMN !!!!!

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1995-2002 camaro and firebird 231 v-6 203 to 200 hp. why did they take off 3 hp. there were two runs of more than .85 under index, N/SA .95 under and .92 under in O/SA? Tom

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Tom, I feel your pain.

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I HAVE PAID MY DUES IN BOTH CLASSES THANK YOU......and that switch has been made by some people that made it appear to be not so impossible......thank you for the reminder, great point.

Rusty Davenport

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I believe those two runs were in the first half of the year not the second period.

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Yeah Tom, What, you expect the tech dept. to check back 6 whole months to get their facts?

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Billy the year is split into two parts. The second half starts all over.

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Tony, you're kidding me right?

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No I am not kidding that is how it works. The early session is separate from the second session.

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Mr. Nees, Mr. Janes is 100% correct.

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The class/ combo averages don't go away every 6 months! How can they give a combo that went .92 and .95 under 6 month ago back HP unless they're just not doing their job and bothering to check? HP give backs are supposed to be based on averages of less than .35 under. Wake up boys!

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From the AHFS website.

http://www.nhraracer.com/content/gen...633&zoneid=132


The AHFS is used to review and evaluate runs in Stock and Super Stock for possible horsepower adjustments. The review is conducted twice per racing season. The two reviews are compiled individually so the data is not cumulative. Runs included in the AHFS database are limited to final qualifying runs (Q data) and all elimination runs (E data) at all NHRA National, Sports National and LODRS events. (At events where class eliminations are run, all class elimination runs are included in the AHFS database. Only the first round of class is part of qualifying and therefore is part of the "Q" database.) The "Q" data and "E" data files are the official data gathered by the NHRA timing system and processed through the NHRA Information Technology department. NHRA "Q" data and "E" data are the only data files used for the AHFS. No runs made during National Opens, test and tune, time trials, or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review.

The first review period includes data from National and LODRS events 1 through 12 and the second period includes runs from events 13 through 24.

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I know how the rule is written, BUT, I think that you will find that the intent is for GIVING HP not REMOVING HP. If it were enforced as written then it would be too easy to "tank" your average and get HP removed in a matter of 6 months.

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The way the rule is written is pretty clear to me. It is in two halves and the two runs you listed don't count since they were in the first half. It isn't any more complicated than that in my opinion.

It is not as easy to get HP take off as you are suggesting. You have no control over anyone else that runs the combo and all they (or you) have to do is to run once at .85/quicker or two runs at .65 or quicker.

If those two thresholds haven't been eclipsed then the average has to be slower than .55 under (not the .35 under you posted). It is easier not to get HP then to have it taken off.

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I believe that getting hit with horsepower or index is automatic no decision making.
In getting HP or index off. They have to decide to do it it is not automatic. If it was if you were the only car in the class, you could run slow for the first 6 months then fly in the next 6 months. That could tilt the combo class winner big time.
I seriously doubt that if I went .4 under for 6 months I would get an index reduction?