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Good post, Bunkie...I know it still animates ME.

(It was actually a 67Chevy II)

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It is entertaining to think outside the box and not just buy a bunch of cookie cutter parts. It is also a blast to out qualify 100k plus cars with some off the wall car even if I did go all "Paul Wong" on them. People like that term Billy. l am fortunate enough to have fast and slow cars but somehow nothing beats winning with the slower car.

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Personally, I saw more parity in the types of cars in slower classes, which is encouraging for a guy on the outside looking in. I also have a sick fetish for things like inline sixes and small-motored late 70's-early 80's GM cars, so it seems to be where I'll belong.

If I ever get a car done lol...

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I guess this year I'll try my hand at running a 4 cyl in NHRA stock.
As a long time 460 fan, this should prove interesting. :)

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Theres something so cool watching a slo stocker get spotted 8 seconds and some high hp car just sitting patiently to try and chase him down, its great when the lil slo car that could, wins a round and the crowd goes nuts at a national on a Sunday. That is priceless.
I went 6 rounds in my home built 01 Camry 4 cylinder beating a modified 78 Vette after also beating him in the coin toss just to piss him off, lanes meant nothing. 100 ft. drags at Riverhead. I had the second slowest car. I got the trophy and a news paper interview, money guy w Vette got smoke coming from his ears, lol.
I look forward to Billys new build.......

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THAT, my friend, makes it ALL so satisfying (I've seen that same ear smoke)!

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Its a lot of fun Lol

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http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlawless2...ontucky410.jpg

Anyone here know whose ride this is...

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http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/d...tzilla/013.jpg

Mike got this car because he wanted to prove he could get the national record with a Slant 6. He holds it now, and had it for awhile a couple years ago too. He was also Div. 5 Aeromotive Low Qualifier for 2011. He races with a bunch from his area and they all have a ball.

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Wongfu. (It won't let me type Wong **)

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Your keyboard must have something Wong with it.

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I love that car. I've been a slant six guy since my dad bracket raced a high 15 second 65 Dart in the mid 70s. I do know slant sixes are difficult to make power with, and I believe Mike had to get a bit of horsepower taken away from his combo to become competitive.

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It is pure oppression from the man. :eek:

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Supposed to be smarter than what your trying to operate. LOL

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If I stuck to that standard then I would have to quit racing.

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That includes about all of us. LOL

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Yes he did, but he's done well enough to get it all back too. The car will still run .95 under on a really good day.

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no such thing as a slow Super Stockers ?

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SS/PA = 12.65 index (traditional Super Stockers)
SS/GS = 13.85 index

So I guess a 13.85 is as slow as a SS can go ?

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Yes it is. In IHRA the index is 14.35 same rules and weight break.
I've run the SS/PA index (in front of NHRA)

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yes indeed slow is a relative term 2 of the 3 stockers we race are lower classO-P/SA cars yet bothhave been at one time or another NHRA/IHRA record holders and class winners and either one can hold their own in a heads up. just ask Charliebob When you embark on a multi car operation cost becomes a absolute major consideration especially when one of them is a high strung SuperStocker and then you still have to get them all to the races some how we built Tony's Capri mainly because we already had it and liked the car even after all the "EXPERTS" advised us not to because the 86 was such a bad combo and we'd never get it to run Beth's car was built by Tony and me pretty much on a dare /bet in 7 days with mostly leftover Tony parts and handmedowns it went 2 tenths under the index on it's first pass with the stock AOD trans still in it. all in all both have proven to be quit e successful reaching many finals andBeth even fishing 2nd in IHRA div-5 stock a couple of years ago in only her 3rd full season of driving. :)

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money, was the only stock elim. car priced for a retired person.
its even fwd dont win much but is competitive and the driver is
an old man. still have some fun and enjoy the trips.
1989 cavalier z/24

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To answer your question about "Why did you build your ""slow"" stock eliminator car?" ... Im in the process of collecting parts for my "E/SA" car... theoretically, it SHOULD be fast, but in reality, itll probably be considered a slow car...hehe I will be doing the front suspension, starting in a couple weeks. Parts are in the mail!! :D

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The more that you build, the cheaper they get. Right Alex? "Trickle down works"!

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MJ and i built a 61 2bbl first...at the time x/sa was pretty easy kicking pinto's butts... then (and i love when i hear guys whine about a rule change) nhra procalimed "no v-8's in w-x-y-z" (later added v) and instantly we had a 4500lbs flowerpot...then a 4bbl... then a 1960 instead of the 61 for a valve spring dampner and 400 rpms !!!!

built the car for under $2000 in 1982...
compared to then it is a pro stock 60 chevy wagon.

captain jack

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Shortly after I got married I blew the engine in my modified sports 1959 Corvette. I couldn't afford to fix the engine but I found a 1961 Falcon for $10. That became my new race car. About 20 race cars later I am still going slow. When I win the lottery I am going to build a Pro Stock.

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That statement encapsulates a lot of sentiment in Stock racing today.

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Thanks for the thread Ron, and I can relate to alot of what I read so far with regards to cost, going against the norm combo wise, and even the consistency part being a challenge (on occasion), although I've had many races where my car was consistent, without breaking my bank account. However, I did not have a soft index in the beginning with my Cavalier. I'm not sure who ran my engine/tranny combo prior to the mid-90's (when I started racing my car), but being factored at 150hp, when my oem hp was 120 was outrageous! Only in '99 was my car able to run better than my index. My car was originally factored to run BF/SA, and the Bandimere Speedway altitude adjusted index of 16.44 was only beaten once (in '99 at the Mopar Mile High Nationals), I ran a 16.42, and a 16.449 with the car enroute to a rnd three loss). My car was factored alongside turbo 2.2 Chrysler products, that clearly had a performance advantage over my mfi 2.8V6! I didn't get hp taken off until around 2002, when it dropped to 140hp. I didn't run the number then either, and kept asking them to remove more hp, and NHRA did to I believe 130? I ran with that until they redid the class structure for fwd cars, and then the ahfs must've answered my prayers, because after the 2008 Arizona Nat's, I was dropped again to my current 125 hp. However, now I have a new delima in that Mickey Thompson stopped making the 20x8x14 and the 20x6x14 slicks, so now I'll have to race with bigger tires, which may offer some new challenges...I wish I lived close to either Billy Nees, or to Woodro Josey (even Craig Railsback at Blower Drive Systems, since he's another ace with understanding the Accel Calmap engine management system).

If I didn't run this car, I now wish I would've raced a '90 Pylmouth Acclaim I once had because that car was consistent...so much that I went five rounds at an import race Bandimere Speedway had back in July y2k. Had I not had so much time and over $8k invested in the Cavalier, I would've switch to racing that car because Mopar parts could've helped me get that car to race the now EF/S index, and it would've been easier to work on and tune...perhaps more consistent than my decently predictable Cavalier. I bet Stan Kopetjka is glad he runs a Mopar fwd 4banger, and heck, even Rob Seibeneck with his US Nats multi-round winning Ford Tempo, as well.

As for my car, it will run consistent, it's different, and when the driver gets his act together, it'll be up there with Stan's car, Michael Beards car, and Rob's car. I sure love being the tortoise in stock races, and so does my wallet!!!

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That's all that thing is now, 125hp? Jeez.
We ran 14.20's with the iron head Cimarron and a stick, over 20 years ago!
I think I'll get one of those things...

A second under for under a grand...What do you think, guys?
Anybody know of any out there?

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Sounds like a project to me! It's definitely do-able! Just don't go calling it a "dime rocket"!
Remember your rules, no front drives, no blowers.

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Mike Lawless.

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Slow cars are like the Rocky Balboa's of Stock, always considered an underdog and everyone likes an underdog!

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Oh, I know that, Billy...but this is a "special situation"...if you know what I mean ;-)

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I understand completely.

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Yeah, now I know who to thank for the wonderful horsepower factor. What year was your Cimarron anyway? I'm curious as to whether it was an original 120hp motor or not, and what type of fi. system it had

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Darn it,Gary..You know I hate looking in those books.
Okay ...we're talking identical motors here Cavalier and Cimarron..Same specs .
Chevy, original 120 up to who knows what ...down to 125 ..thanks to you and 1-800-CRY-NHRA.
Caddy..130...up to 140 when we had one .Set the C/FS stick record @14.32, 90,, 8.97 in the eighth in 1992. ....Now down to 130 in '07.

FI system ? Whatever you have it's better than what we had ..if you have anything better than
stock OEM.
There's a nice '87 on C/L .Did you see it?...Little high on the money, but doesn't even need paint...hmmm

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You hate looking in books, and talk about 1-800-CRY-NHRA? HAH!!! Just because we had the same motor doesn't mean we had the same fi system, or the same heads. FYI, the '87 173 V6 came with aluminum heads (not cast iron like the '86 and California '85 versions (thus it's factory rating of 130hp). I don't have a better fi system than the Stock OEM system, I just have an Accel Calmap to allow for tuning adjustments...the fuel system is factory stock...wanna look? Be at the upcoming divisionals and you can see for yourself. If I'm going to look for any other car, it'll be a MOPAR, because that's what I was hoping to get before I crossed paths with my Cavalier, so no if I look for anything on C/L it'll be for headers, or a helmet, or slicks. I hope you do buy it (since you may be able to afford it). I should've kept my Plymouth Acclaim that I raced in 2000, because it was even more consistent than the Cavalier, and Mopar did a much better job of offering performance parts to hop them up than Chevy did. At least once I get another laptop to make tuning adjustments on my calmap, I'll give myself a chance to enhance the performance of my motor, so that once I get the funds to get a better cam, and hopefully headers, I'll finally make some progress to offset the index adjustments NHRA has made.

Go ahead Mark, I hope you do spend your money and buy that car...I'm not the only one you'll be able to race in stock, and remember the national event you won wasn't with a GM product, it was a Ford! If you want to spend your money on that go for it...different year, different heads, different fi system...knock yourself out! If I had Feb. '93 back, then I'd be going up to the front door of the owner of that '64 4dr Belvedere with a 318 and an automatic, and started talking to him about his car. What I've gone through (with my lack of yours or Billy Nees mechanical skill level), to try and make this combo competitive has been enough that I wouldn't do it again. I'd go with a combo that was befitting my mechanical training level (pre-'83)! However, I'm still competitive with this car, and I don't have to frequently work on it, so that's why I'm glad I have it. When the funds come, I know who to go to for making the car go quicker, and they'll see me!

No one has one a national event, or an NHRA Divisional race with a GM product, so those milestones are still out there, and as long as my car keeps plugging along, I'm going for it. If you want to try and beat me to those feats, bring it...I'll be waiting for you, but remember this...SO WILL THE OTHER STOCKER RACERS !!!!

Oh and after seeing the latest hp listings on the NHRA website, know this...in order for your combo to change my combo's factor, you'll have to run the exact year and engine combo that I run...happy hunting....lol :)

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if YAC builds one it will run -1.00... or he wont mess with it.

captain

if billy builds it it will run -1.25 under for less money :)

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Oh I'd change that car to an '86 in a heartbeat...I wanna run the same exact pud combo you have..


Again ,you brought up f.i. system..not the fuel system.
Like I said... If you have aftermarket anything (Accel) then you have more than we had ..
We had nothing but GM parts in the fuel system ,...and in the f. i. system...and we had the exact same iron cylinder heads and FI that you have Okay? Got it?

Bill Drevo won an NHRA divisional at Suffolk in 1985 with his 173 2.8 X-11 Citation..so you can forget about doing that first too.

This one's ready for the jury....

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10-4 on the less money, Jacko...Krylon is up over $3.00 and I use a lot of it