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That wasn't the question. I got my 1969 GTO for $500.00 years ago. You can't buy a shell for that today unless you get really lucky.

I think my question was very valid. What does it cost to buy a really good muscle car and build it into a really good Stocker? I bet you could easily spend the $89,000.00 sticker price that my new COPO carried.

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It is a bracket race, the rest of this is nonsense .

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Evidently you don't have them in your class, right Tony?

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Yes, there are few, select racers that I can think of that have probably spent that kind of dough on an older stocker. Is that the answer you're looking for to justify all of the money you spent?

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Jim, some can and have built fast regular cars before writing the check.
Others only got fast after.

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That is true but 279 Hp is pretty soft for a LT-1 in SS/JA

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At the race being discussed in this thread (LODRS 2-2),in Round 4,there were 8 cars left.Three of the four races were HEADS UP races.

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r=100#indextop

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Not as soft as the DP cars. If your the whiz you seem to think you are you should put one together and show us all how to do it.

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I will be glad to do that if you will sponsor me

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Hold your breath old man.

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Speaking of you calling me names, Remember that time you got on here and called me an Idiot, No good piece of crap, good for nothing, not worth the air I breathe? All because I said I didn't believe the SCS would last 2 years. How did that work out anyway? I think you even said, shut my mouth and let productive people do positive things. Then 1 SCS race later, you quit going and started bitching about how you don't have a 3-speed and how unfair that was. Does this sound like the Welfare person your describing?

Now, to further explain my analogy. A welfare Benz driver takes advantage of a system put in place by a governing body. He/She does this knowing full and well it’s only hurting the other people who are part of the community. They justify their actions by saying "I’m not cheating the system, I’m playing by the same rules everyone else is given" Does this sound familiar? While the rest of the community picks a job/car that they think will give them a little advantage if they work hard at it, The welfare Benz driver takes the easiest road he/she can find and acts like they still need to protect that advantage by voting for more relaxed rules, or in your case, running at half throttle.

So, go ahead. Lay a number down in Belle Rose. Get that thing somewhat close to a correct factor. Then you can experience the fun of trying camshafts, gear ratios, ect. Instead of claiming you haven’t even cracked the valve cover yet. Good thing is, you won't hear anybody bitching about your car anymore. The whole reason you created this topic is fixed and your problem is solved.

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It was also the 4th round. How many heads up were ran in the 3 previous? The car can't get you to the 4th round it does take a driver as well.

Hagen just remember it is still 1-0 ME!!! And lets get it right it would be a Viper not a damn benz! Have a great race!!

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Lil Joe, most of us know the ONLY reason the new cars weren't in the top qualifiers is because the drivers/owners didn't want them there! As they say on NFL countown.....Come on Man!!! LOL.

Tony, an LT1 at 279 hp is far more honest than a 360 DP rated at 275! At the same weight those DP motors can run 9.0's or faster! NO LT1 is coming close to that!

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My point was, that with the rules the way they are today, a really fast Stocker can cost a boat load of money.

I don't have to justify my purchase. I am very happy with my COPO.

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And you were in E/SA? Which engine is that?

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Bryan that not me I'm lil joe Teuton who drives hemi car my name is under jt. Teuton. I don't comment on things that are none of my business.

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Sorry for not clearing that up Joe.

I'm Joseph Teuton his cousin. I mainly drive a Challenger. Jeff is my father.

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No problem good luck this weekend bring home the gold.

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Your Dad is a cool guy.

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Thanks!


I try to be like him! Lol

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Wow!!!!

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That went south in a hurry!

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That’s the exact point. Plenty of people are sandbagging a little to save for a heads up in the heat. That’s not the problem. The people who have run their new cars hard and gotten it HP are looked at with a lot more respect than the 50% throttle sandbagger. Why do they need to game the system that hard? When you this and claim you never took the valve covers off, it’s a slap in the face to everyone else in the community, just like the welfare Benz driver. Granted, NHRA is to blame, but why didn’t Chevy submit absolutely ridiculous #’s? Sure they are bogus, but not nearly as bad as Ford and Chrysler. I have no problem with the new cars and fully expect to get my Azz handed to me by one in heads up. I'm just trying to answer Joseph's question. I think if he runs it at 85-90% throttle, people won't have bad things to say about his car anymore. He'll quit slapping people in the face with his racing style and the community will embrace the new cars.

Btw, I would never have this conversation with Lil' Joe. He along with every other Teuton I've conversed with are very respectable intelligent men who would never start calling people names when they don't agree with them. Only Joseph does this and should not represent any other Teuton. If you want to read exactly how it went down, here you go...

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=39758

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Um, what part of the horsepower factor submitted by Chevrolet is not just as (as you put it} BOGUS as the other cars.

I do believe you are sadly mistaken!

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Well, they didn't start off in H/SA. LOL
Still bogus.

Peter, do you think they could go to SS in Stocker form (9" tires, foot brake & all), and run 1.12 under the SS index, at more MPH than any legit SS car in that class has ever gone? Saw a DP do it at Houston.

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A Prius could have run a second under in that air! Lol!

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Correct me if i am wrong and i may sound like a idiot. But isn't the whole point of class racing and heads up runs to find and take every advantage you can within the rules to win the round and/or the race. Eventually sand bagging will catch up to those cars/drivers and cost them hp or a race.

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You are correct Hagen, I'm sorry for being sooo mean to you! I will stop. So lets see that's:
Forum- Hagen vs Teuton
1. 0
Track. 0. 1
Keep up the good work!

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It was killer air. When he went 9.88 @ 135.XX it was just over 400'.
He & Ronnie Terrill would be a good race, but Ronnie's car is a real SS car with years of R&D.
Take that engine out of that brick and put it in an SS Firebird think what it would go. LOL

Could have I run that fast in that air? I'm sure I could. But, mine isn't a stocker.
WOULD I have run that fast? Probably not. :-)

I never seem to get to run in air like that.

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Watch Live Timing this morning at Gainesville, with -DA it will pretty evident who is protecting what....Class today promises to be great.

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Does this mean your going to run it all out and get that thing some HP? I hope so. It will stop the people from being sooo mean to you about your car. You obviously have a problem with that or you wouldn't have created this topic. It is a good start to let me know that I'm your racing Hero and the highlight of your racing career is beating me 1 time. Thanks man, I really apreciate that. One day when you make it past the 3rd round, I'll be pullin for you.

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Awe thanks buddy!!

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I did say they were bogus ratings. But the Chevy's SC version with the same Cubic inches as ford is 100 hp more. The NA with the same cubic inches is 50 more than Ford. Chrysler’s 360-275 hp is amazingly bogus. How long will it take serious sandbaggers to get 50-100 hp? Maybe Chevy recognized what Joseph is pointing out and I helped him realize. The rest of the community doesn't appreciate it, and some are speaking out in a negative way towards the new cars. Nobody would be mad at someone on food stamps, if they weren't so blatantly taking advantage of the system. But hey, it’s just my opinion and I probably don't know everything.

Believe it or not, I’m trying to help the new cars image. I love them. I just had to relate it to something in real life that has a very negative reputation. If you reread the entire topic, plenty of others have made reference to what I’m saying and some others didn’t get it. Ratcliff, Carr, Wright, Carter, Carpenter, Cutta, Schaechter, Hoven, A. Hill, Worner….. well, pretty much everyone who posted in this topic made reference to the extremely low hp rating and people protecting it by running on 2 barrels as being the problem with the new cars. Do what you got to do, I’ll dodge the new cars as best as I can in heads up, and try to get them hp if I do run them. That’s all I can do and I’m ok with that. Nobody is saying anything different besides the extremely low hp ratings and people protecting them. It’s up to you to change that. We don’t have new cars. Go out there and run 1.40 under and earn your free bye run, instead of adjusting the % on the throttle to run .99 under and keep stealing them, race after race for what looks like years to come. I promise your name will be praised on this forum by many of its members and the respect of the community is worth way more than a few bye runs in my book.

I'm serious. If I'm out of the race, I will be on the starting line in your corner. I want you to win at some point. Maybe then you will realize you don't need such an extreme advantage to win. You can do it legitimately.

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i feel your pain. the first time i got beat by a old car in a long time was in houston by speedy emmons and that is ok.but if NHRA would have left the fuelinfected cars in there own class everybody would be happy.i like the new cars. the sport needs these cars but don't make the old cars junk and worthless at the hands of the new cars in a heads up run.put them back in there own class.like IHRA has them and the way NHRA use to have them. i think that would be the fair way to do it.

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wait till i get out... i will bring that model year average down !

captain jack