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I went down the track the first time in 1964 and was hooked. After a tour on the USS America, I returned to shore duty and Tom Stenzel and I built a 1969 Camaro, 427/425, 4 speed and set the B/S record at Gainesville, Fla. on a hot and humid Sept. 13, 1969. That was when racing was fun. We painted the car, built the engine(std. bore TRW pistons), rebuilt the M22, and assembled the 12 bolt rear. We had almost $2000 in the car before it went down the track; quite a sum for two young guys at the time. I have raced several cars in stock and SS over the years. I still build a few stocker motors since I sold my stocker in 2010.

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Darryl Davis, who was Div. 2 Tech Director during this time frame, had one of the fastest 62 Dodge 383/343 wagons I have seen. He ruled G/SA in Div. 2 at will.

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Looking at that 1970 Nat'l Record sheet...

H/SA records were held by 383/343 wagons...

12.40's 110

Bernie's Chevy II went 12.40's the first time I saw it run at E-town..

Our stick car went 2 tenths under the existing record on it's 3rd run...
Ray Allen made that run....at a test day at Etown

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Thanks for the info,, Rich. That was good reading,, those were the days alright!
Danny Durham

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Rich,

I knew that the 1962 Mopar Station Wagons ran in H/SA in
1970 and 1971 with the 383/343 HP 'Dual-Quad'.

I misunderstood your post, when you said the Mopars in your
Class {H/Stock}.

You meant the {10.50 to 10.99} weight factor.

Paul ...........

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see next post

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H/S in 1970 stick car combos we raced against
'61 Corvette.....HP ?
'57 Corvette.... HP ?
Olds Cutlass....350 in a '69 or '70 HP ?

Can't recall much else but those 3 combos had some good running cars out there...

350 Chevys were pretty new and dominated the older combos right away. The real killer Chevy combo was the low compression 350/255......HP rating was low and they were fast.

A lot of people were hesitant to race one at first until they saw how fast the ones that did were.....

Boertman and Bobby Warren....and Bud Rowe had one.....

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Rich,

Here is a competitor's list from 'Back-in-the-Day' {1970 and 1971}

H/Stock {Stick} .............. 10.50 to 10.99 Wt/HP
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

* 1968 Chevrolet Nova SS ~ 350/295 HP ... #3107 lbs. = 10.53
* Engine Code 'L-48'

* 1961 Corvette ~ 283/270 HP .................... #2904 lbs . = 10.76
* {Dual-Quad}

* 1957 Corvette ~ 283/250 HP .................... #2737 lbs. = 10.95
* {Fuel Injection}

* 1965 Ford Mustang ~ 289/271 HP ........... #2875 lbs. = 10.65
* Fastback 2 + 2 'K-Code'

* 1970 Pontiac GTO ~ 400/350 HP .............. #3689 lbs. = 10.54

* 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass ~ 350/325 HP .. #3429 lbs. = 10.55
* 'W-31'

* 1969 Road Runner ~ 383/335 HP ............. #3551 lbs. = 10.60
* {Convertible}

* 1971 Plymouth 'Cuda ~ 340/275 HP ......... #3303 lbs. = 10.65
* The 340/275 HP was re-factored to 310 HP

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That was when they weighed the car without the driver and had to include 5 gals of gas. Our Chevy II Had to weigh right around 3100lbs I think it was. We never even thought much about driver weight. We also never had any idea about the common practice of cooling the engine with a chiller. We actually did the opposite and pre-heated the engine with a set of hoses connected to our ramp truck. This was what our engine builder Ralph Truppi said we should do to protect and preserve the rings. I made up 2 long heater hoses with quick connect fittings. Hydraulic type connectors and I still have them! Ran warm water thru the engine before starting it. Probably could have run at least a tenth quicker with a light driver and a chilled engine.....more like 2 tenths.....!!!!

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Rich,

Those Nova SS 350 cars really had a hold in that Class. I'm wondering
if any Chevrolet 396 cars did anything in that weight break.

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Rich,

The 1968 Nova SS350.

One tough S.O.B. in the {10.50 to 10.99 Wt/HP} Class.

This one was the dominant force at Dover Drag Strip in 1970 and 1971.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...hale/013_1.jpg

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Hello Paul,
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Thanks,
Drew Papsun
Norwalk, CT.
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George Cureton was RU, in E/SA. Noticed that he ran .05 quicker than the winner. So, he either cut a bad light, or tripped the red light. He was driving the "Rocky's Goat" '69 Judge. The pic below shows the class winner, in the far lane. So, that pic may have been of the E/SA class final.

Have no record or pic of the K/SA winner, Craig Mueller, in a '58 Pontiac.

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There WAS some really good info on a lot of these old threads, which now can't be seen. I can't see anything that was linked to Photobucket.

Would be great if somebody would post nat records & Indy class winners for the '60's & '70's, especially. OR, if there are links to click on to easily find all this info, would somebody please post those links, for info which is no longer accessible on these old threads.

Thanks !

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RatPatrol and I are trying to compile all this history while it can still be scrounged up. I'll see what's missing here & try to post.

It's a shame NHRA didn't keep & post all this but unless you won Top Fuel or Pro Stock or something, all the class history is just GONE.

A shame because this era of, as Dennis Wilson put it in 2-Lane Blacktop, the era of "It Might Be The Jets" is never to be repeated. Not the same in the computer era. Fun, and expensive, but not the same.

BTW I think this is Mueller's 58 Pontiac in K/SA:

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=350837

I've guessed it as a Chieftan 2dr sedan, 370/310hp-FI.
Or was the 370/310-FI still legal in 1970? Not sure what else fits, and fits the picture too.
These Petersen pictures zoom pretty well so you can see detail.

Here's 1970 Indy Stock/Manual - the other 1970 Indy I think are posted here already.

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Here's my current interpretation of Car Models & Engines at 1970 Indy.
Comments welcome!

Note in F/S=9.50 and G/S=10.00 I was just hunting to see if any 429SCJ cars ran, ever, along with slowly figuring out how they were factored with a lot of help from on here.

Petersen shows a 70 Cyclone running F/S=9.50 in 70 Indy, not winning but jives with the C-Code (flat hood) 429SCJ factored at 395hp. Factoring for the 429SCJ's went down in 1971 & then they started winning a little.

Website story says Shellenberger won G/S=10.00 in a 70 Cobra 429SCJ. I was interested in that since I had one, but it only fits class if left unfactored at 375hp. And, as I go thru Petersen, I already see 3 other G/S=10.00 cars with a "T" on the windshield so I'm not sure the Shellenberger story is right, or maybe the wrong year.

The rest is hopefully self-explanatory, not too many guesses but none of this is error-free so feel free to chime in.

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"...I'll see what's missing here & try to post..."

The name of the thread indicates that the 1970 nat records will be shown here.

I haven't been able to see a single one. All I see are some Indy class winners.

Am I missing something ? :confused:

When I see a car with "NHRA Nat Record Holder" on it, I'd like to be able to find evidence of that record, somewhere.

IIRC, some have said that the current nat records use to be published occasionally, in the "National Dragster" paper. But, I suppose a guy would have to have a COMPLETE collection, in order to find most of the records.

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I think I realized the title is wrong, Tom does that sometimes just to keep us reading closely, like the 1968 nationals thread is really 1969 or vice versa.

Rich Biebel sent the late 1970 record sheet & I posted it here on pg3:

https://classracer.com/classforum/sh...t=62510&page=3

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OK, I went to that thread & found the records list. Split it into stick & auto sections & enlarged 'em. You can click on the thumbnails & see 'em.

In the auto section, there's an E/SA '69 Pontiac. Jerry Stealy had the "Nemesis" RAIV powered Judge. IIRC, it was later in a towing accident. He swapped the running gear over to a wagon.

In the stick section, there's an H/S '70 Pontiac listed. Rod Kister had the "Big Iron" cars. The '70 was a black Judge. It apparently had a D-port engine, since it was in a lower class. Don't think a RAIV engine could run that low a class.

Pic #5 is of an O/S '61 wagon. It MAY be the one listed on the Indy class winners list. There was also a RAIV '70.5 Bird on that list. The driver name didn't ring a bell. But that 1946 number is on a Garber Pontiac E/S Bird, in pic #6.

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Yes, I have Kister fitting class with a 70 GTO, 400/350hp base engine.

That wagon picture looks like a Q/S, and that would fit the sheet and confirm a guess I made:
4134/235=17.59 in Q/S=17.00 class for 1970

389/235hp

ok a few more pieces fit!