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I had no prior warning about nhra's interest in enforcing this little rule. In fact I didn't know cutting two little wheelie bar notches was illegal. Ryck was taking pictures of the backside of our cars at the scales. It sounds like he was just following orders. But to be sure, it is a dumb rule. My car would flip over if it didn't have wheelie bars and there is no way to set them up without cutting a 2 inch notch in the rear valance. So, should I take the wheelie bars off and risk flipping the car over on the starter and other nearby crew members? That makes perfect sense??? I tried calling the two numbers given in the letter but got only voice mail and had to leave messages.

The two notches do not offer any performance advantages and can only help save life and limb. My next race isn't until the Atco Divisional, so hopefully this problem will be resolved before then. Try putting some pretty duct tape on the underside of the valance if you have this problem and plan to race this weekend. Jack you should file an appeal if it is appealable.

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Hopefully they will come to their senses....we have been talked to about our slots in the fascia....so I duct taped them....but it's ridiculous.....it's legal in GT but not pure SS....

If the car has a fascia it should be legal...even in stock...

Rock Haas

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With all due respect to Jack. Rules are rules and they should be enforced for all.

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X2 on that one

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Going back to the letter, it states "...covers may not be notched or slotted/or [sic] clearance around wheelie bar."

But what if the cover comes in contact with the wheelie bars during a run, and the bars, having been "naturally" heated to very high temperatures by "exposure to the sun", "accidentally" melted clearance slots into the cover? ;-)

Would they bounce you for racing on a hot day?

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Street cred (short for street credibility) is respect gained through tangible accomplishments, often associated with rap or hip-hop music. Say a rapper is raised in an upper class family. People might say: "How can that dude rap about life in the hood when he was raised in the Hamptons?" To gain street cred, this rapper might start hanging out with gang members, get arrested, go to prison, get tattoos etc...

Street cred has worked its way into mainstream popular culture. A lawyer might earn street cred by successfully defending high-profile clients. In Jack's reply to 1320 he basically told him he has no street cred in class racing.

The reason I wrote what I did is because after reading Mr. Ficacci's post I tried to figure out why Jack would leave out the fact that he knew this rule was going to be enforced, yet his post makes it seem like it's the first time he's ever heard about it. Did he forget? Does he have alzheimers? The only thing I could come up with is he might be trying to shed his NHRA cheerleader image, so he criticized them.

IMO, a good reporter would have never left this info out. In fact, a good reporter would have posted something about it when they first found out about it six weeks ago, but that's just my opinion.

Oh, and by the way, I don't listen to rap, I'm a classic rock guy through and through. :)

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EXACTLY, more TRUTH about "Ole Jack"

Bottomline is Mr. Ficacci called jack a LIAR!

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And the plot thickens.....................
Pass the popcorn.

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I guess they prefer torn up facias?

Dumb rule. Lots of illegal Stock and SS cars. That rule needs to be fixed.

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Is the NHRA enforcing the same body rule equally or any rule for that matter with everyone across the board equally, is the question. I would hope so.

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I would put this rule in the same category as the nova and 55 chevy rule. Which allows cutting of the fender wells for their headers. If you are going to allow wheelie bars than you should allow for clearance.jmho

Greg

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Ed,

Just got to say that in the last few weeks of your postings, I have come to the conclusion your are the A-hole that everybody tells me you are. Why is it that you feel the need to try to pick fights on every racing related board you belong to? The track conditions at E-town thread really had me thinking you must be under the influence of powerful stuff. If you knew anything about Jack, you would know that he has known and worked with so many people that have worked for NHRA over the years. No reason to make sarcastic comments. You got a bone to pick with somebody? Take it up with them at the next race and spare us your BS. Hopefully someday, somebody will get in your face and see if your up to the task of telling them to their face the things you say on ClassRacer. I bet you don't have the balls to do it. I would tell you to go to YellowBullet and try your act there, but they can't stand you over there anymore than we can stand you over here. Your stuff is old and worn out on racing boards. Ever thought about just being civil? Too much too ask? I guess old habits are hard to break...

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I'm crushed and shocked that some nobody posting on an internet forum thinks I'm an a hole because he disagrees/doesn't like my comments to a thread on an open forum BTW, you'd lose that bet and those that really know me would tell the same!

what part of the truth and the facts didn't you like?

Perhaps you want to call Mike Ficacci an a hole since it was he that stated the truth about jack's claim that no one talked to him about this issue.

Here it is again in case you missed it...

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Ed,

I think you need to sit back and relax for a bit. Your constant bickering with most members is getting old. Yes this is an open forum, but it is not a forum that you can say anything you like. It is a community of members with like interest and for the most part shows respect for one another.

I can deal with a few posts of disagreement, but 90% of your posts are combative. Anyone that's involved in racing has some type of ego, but yours has to be the most bloated ego I have ever seen. Never have I come across a person that knows everything about everything such as you do. Your rude, disrespectful and just plain full of yourself.

My advise to you is sit back, take a chill pill, relax and show some respect for other members opinions.

I don't like to asks members to tone it down in the open forum, I would much rather do it by email. In your case I think the members should see whats going on. I have had to many emails about your conduct to let this go.

Its your choice, either show some respect or move on.

Ken

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Thanks Ken.....Agree completely.

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could it be modern technology causing these problems, Maybe NHRA has a internet Guru, who browse's pictures and videos online looking for rules infractions. Jack, just post pictures of people you do not like. Think Greg Anderson likes technology now? In car camera and gets a fine for flipping up Visor from video taken by camera

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I'm all for banning Ed for life.

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Ken, I respect truthfulness and those that state it. The op clearly was not truthful in his original post according to facts Mike Ficacci enlighten us of and Toby Lang question his motives for not telling the truth as well. Do you not respect their right to do so in an open forum too?

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I'm surprised everyone keeps responding to 1320.
I'll wait for my response sit back and read the rest of the posts until it runs its course.

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Dude, I never said he didn't tell the truth. Everything he said in his original post is true. Nobody talked to him about it *THERE* at the race.

Give it a rest, please. Thanks.

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Ed,

The issue is not with just this topic, its with all of you posts. Having your opinion is fine, but you need to show respect when posting it. If only one member had issues with you, I would have no problem. It is obvious there is pattern here. Toby, like many others show respect when posting, you need to do the same.

You do not know all the facts behind this topic, and to assume you do by using members posts to justify your opinion is poor judgement. If Jack feels the need to answer your claims, I am sure he will. I suspect he does not care what your opinion is.

Please respect my wishes, and show some respect when posting in the future.

Ken

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The best thing we can all do is ignore his post because he feeds off us arguing back at him. If we just ignore these post, without the confrontation that he seeks he will just move on.

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What we need from NHRA is just a little "common sense". If you are going to allow wheelie bars and a car cannot run them without the notches it would seem that they have already approved the notches by approving the bars.
We have seen other lack of common sense situations lately. I think that I am right though I don't race a Ford that NHRA disallowed aluminum center sections. Why? There's no performance advange. It just makes changing the chunk easier.
Now after 40+ years they have disallowed cowl hoods on 255 Camaro's. Why again ?There's no performance advantage or else a HP adjustment would be required with the hood change.
Yet, they allow fuel cells(I love that rule and it's a good one) They allow racing seats which make a stocker no longer look stock. We all know the other non stock items that are allowed. Wheelie bars, etc.
Where is the common sense about what is allowed and what is not?

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back to original topic, How should they notify you about a infraction. Old school is by mail, kind of like NHRA. But they can email all competitors about changes in schedules and events. How about a email and then follow with the letter. I feel for Jack because, he now has to decide wether to race car fix car for race this weekend or just skip it.

If you were notified this way and were scheduled to race this weekend, how would you feel?

Everyone should tell their SRAC's about this, so it corrects the notification problem

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According to what Mike Ficacci has stated, Jack was notified by phone 6 weeks ago.

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NHRA has had a long history of things like this....

It's nothing new.....and I could name a number of instances where a rule needed changing and some where clearly from a safety standpoint.....

The best example is the dual braking system common on many fast dragsters like my own.....

A car needs wheelie bars to help it leave the starting line safely but you can't put a little notch in a bumper cover for the bars.....sure makes sense to me....:rolleyes:

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Thanks Ken guess it wasn't just me he irritated. As you stated having an opinion and posting it is why these boards are here....but to constantly argue and insist that your view is the only possible correct one is simply arrogant. BTW the OP simply started a thread stating a chain of events after a particular race he never stated that he had never been approached about the issue before.

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so they let him race at 2 races after the phone conversation, then sent him a letter snail mail just before another race to correct the situation?

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[QUOTE=rognelson777;386188]so they let him race at 2 races after the phone conversation, then sent him a letter snail mail just before another race to correct the situation?[/QUOTE

Maybe they felt like he was told verbally 6 weeks ago, yet failed to do anything about it, so hence the letter.
Chuck

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[quote=C and W Racing;386205]Chuck - Just to clear up the record - I made the necessary ( including pics and paperwork ) repairs and was cleared to race at Maple Grove and Englishtown .My thoughts are perhaps they had a change of heart on the repairs - but it would have been very easy to tell me that at Englishtown - I certainly was available and stayed till Saturday night .

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Originally Posted by MikeFicacci
"We received the same letter for one of the cars. We were told at Virginia that the letter was coming and to fix it immediately. Jack, you and I spoke about the phone call you received 6 weeks ago stated that you could no longer notch the bumper and you stated that you have another you can easily put on. the fact remains, we were told about this months ago."

1320 does not seem to understand that until you receive something in writing or it is published by NHRA, it's not official notification. Apparently Jack did not receive anything official from NHRA nor was anything published by NHRA indicating the notches were not allowed.

This forum is full of pages about "something that NHRA will make official", but never pans out to full official status. To say Jack was informed, is incorrect. He was given notice and that, as always, is subject to change upon official notification. What if Jack replaced his bumper cover and had it painted to satisfy a rumored change then two weeks later NHRA decides wheelie bar notches isn't such a bad idea after all?

I believe Jack handled the situation correctly. Now that he has "official" notification, I'm sure the dealership has the parts he needs to make NHRA happy.

P.S. Looks like Jack and I were writing our responses at the same time...

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[quote=Jack Matyas;386217]Jack, If thats the case, I feel like you are right in the assumption that everything was ok, and yes, if they were not happy with it, then something should have been said at Englishtown.
Chuck

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Ok here's my dumb question and it's not to be funny, it's seriously because I don't know - why don't these factory powerhouse race cars come with wheelie bars and proper valances to accompany them? I understand that no factory driver comes with wheelie bars but these are factory race cars. At least make a bumper to accompany wheelie bar add-on and then no cutting, notching, etc. is required.

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I was thinking the same thing.For what they cost,it should be included.Might as well have a factory installed parachute too.

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Both could not hurt. Then, no questions.

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What do you mean made the necessary repairs and then ran two more races? So after the phone call you fixed the car, ran two races, and then they told you that wasn't good enough? Or you fixed it, they still sent the letter because they assumed that you hadn't? I'm confused.

This is coming from someone who bracket races all the time, and would love to convert my street driven Trans Am into a stocker, that's why I'm curious.

I can't imagine wanting to spend the money you guys spend and then get treated like you do. However, it sounds like to me this is a petty gripe. From what I've read, one of two things happened. Jack was told to fix it and didn't, slid by two races so he assumed he could keep sliding by, then got caught. Or he was told to fix it, did in fact fix it, but just wanted to come on here and gripe about the letter he felt like was a few weeks late.

No disrespect at all. I hardly ever post here, just lurk, but I just feel like the entire story hasn't been explained in a single post yet.

I just reread some of your posts. Maybe I misread them? Maybe you fixed it and it still wasn't to their liking? I'm just trying to get a clear story as moving from brackets to class racing was looking appealing. Just unsure of how you got a call weeks ago, did some type of repair, but then act like you had no clue this was coming?

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He said he was cleared for Maple Grove and Englishtown. I take that to mean what it says. He was cleared for 2 races.

I agree with what other people are saying. If they are going to allow wheelie bars, they should allow enough clearance for them.

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Bobby,I would imagine they dont because there's a bunch of wheelie bar designs out there (including mono bar) that it wouldn't be cost effective to stamp out different valances.It's easier for the owner/chassis guy to fab the cutouts.

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Jeez,what's with this Ed stuff?Remember my buddy Ed Obrien?

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Ah heck just put the cut out pieces back in the valance with a hinge on the inside, ala funny car tail lights. Everyone is happy.