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Randall Klein 07-12-2013 11:46 AM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
The tower has facilities and running water, otherwise port-a-potties. They tried to move east and rebuild but voters stopped them. It is a nice facility in many ways, esp the proximity to Denver and Morrison, but north of the scales it seems like you are not even at the track, isolated in a twilight zone among the dirtiest rock pits imaginable. We've had moderate success there over the years, but not keen on going back. Been to worse places.

Toby Lang 07-12-2013 01:40 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
I just assumed they had bathroom facilities behind the grandstand. I guess not.

Where does the water come from in the cool down area?

Michael K 07-12-2013 01:52 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Wahl (Post 390395)
Not sure what you mean. More cars = More port-o-lets? How many cars do you need to get running water? I can't figure this out.

It seems to me that for whatever reason, you guys are being pushed further and further into the back forty (that's Southern for boondocks). Charlotte? Maybe that could be one of the reasons the car counts are so bad? Jim

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Any race facility is a business. If your customers aren't happy, they'll let you know. It's just good business to keep your customers happy.

The Hawk 07-12-2013 05:14 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby Lang (Post 390453)
I just assumed they had bathroom facilities behind the grandstand. I guess not.

Where does the water come from in the cool down area?
The water in the cool down area is well water,with a fair amount of iron in it. Not for drinking!

SG5579 07-12-2013 05:41 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
I think there are some misunderstandings about Bandimere. They do have water in the cool down area, restrooms behind the grandstands ( not permanent ), and in the staging lanes you don,t have to push your car to the front, it just rolls downhill ( a great plus ). Also they have an underneath the track chiller, which cools down the track for the first 100 feet. The traction is always good. As said previously, the only negatives are the northern most pits for sportsmen are a little ways away from the staging lanes, and consist of crushed asphalt, unless you get there early as Larry Hill did and can park on pavement. Also the crushed asphalt is actually cooler than pavement. I've seen guys come from low altitudes and have trouble with car performance. But, any knowledgable racer can figure that out. So, in summary, the spectator/ racer has very good views of the track and the racers are very friendly, offering advice to newcomers and usually a good time is had by all. So come on up and let's git it on!

Kirk Gittins SS/BM

Russ Kelly 07-12-2013 07:16 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
I have to step in here---I have raced at 3/4 of NHRA's national event tracks---and rank Bandimere one of the top three at least. Yes it has problems, but is much better than a Memphis, Brainerd---Indy isn't exactly the greatest track in the world. The people that run Denver are some of the nicest and the owners are first class. It is also THE neatest place to watch a race (yes even the oilers--fuel cars) are watchable there. Car counts are down everywhere---just don't blame the track---there are many reasons car counts have dropped.

RacingRicki 07-12-2013 08:51 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ Kelly (Post 390488)
I have to step in here---I have raced at 3/4 of NHRA's national event tracks---and rank Bandimere one of the top three at least. Yes it has problems, but is much better than a Memphis, Brainerd---Indy isn't exactly the greatest track in the world. The people that run Denver are some of the nicest and the owners are first class. It is also THE neatest place to watch a race (yes even the oilers--fuel cars) are watchable there. Car counts are down everywhere---just don't blame the track---there are many reasons car counts have dropped.
Well said.

SStockDart 07-12-2013 09:31 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
I think it is honorable that some of you are standing up for Bandimere and the track. I have to agree that the racing surface, and the people are awesome. For spectators, comp and pro racers is is also great. Going to Golden is always a nice experience.

Beating a dead horse, but go park you rig and expensive race car in the north 40 and see what we mean. Maybe my wife is a little spoiled, but she would like clean rest rooms with running water, like any other National Event facility, that is within a reasonable distance, without walking thru gravel with oil..............I am reasonable certain that the Bandimere's have looked into improving the sportsman facilities. If so, I applaud them for that. However, in the mean while, it is unacceptable for most.

Now that I said that, I have talked with Donna (my wife) and convinced her that we should take both cars and race Denver next week........I told her that if we take 2 cars, it will cost 1/2 of what it usually does.............and we have a better chance of winning.

Do you suppose she will figure it out before entry deadline time?????

Pig Farmer 07-12-2013 11:10 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
So, how early do you have to arrive to get a decent parking spot? Black dust doesn't exactly appeal to me...

Also, where is the restaurant with the margaritas? Be nice not to have to make my own one night ;-)

The Hawk 07-12-2013 11:27 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pig Farmer (Post 390519)
So, how early do you have to arrive to get a decent parking spot? Black dust doesn't exactly appeal to me...

Also, where is the restaurant with the margaritas? Be nice not to have to make my own one night ;-)
That`d be The Morrison Inn. Head south(right) out of the track to Morrison Road and go west(right again)and go about 1/2 mile. The Morrison Inn is on your right. Parking is across the street.

Don Kennedy 07-13-2013 12:46 AM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SStockDart (Post 390505)
I think it is honorable that some of you are standing up for Bandimere and the track. I have to agree that the racing surface, and the people are awesome. For spectators, comp and pro racers is is also great. Going to Golden is always a nice experience.

Beating a dead horse, but go park you rig and expensive race car in the north 40 and see what we mean. Maybe my wife is a little spoiled, but she would like clean rest rooms with running water, like any other National Event facility, that is within a reasonable distance, without walking thru gravel with oil..............I am reasonable certain that the Bandimere's have looked into improving the sportsman facilities. If so, I applaud them for that. However, in the mean while, it is unacceptable for most.

Now that I said that, I have talked with Donna (my wife) and convinced her that we should take both cars and race Denver next week........I told her that if we take 2 cars, it will cost 1/2 of what it usually does.............and we have a better chance of winning.

Do you suppose she will figure it out before entry deadline time?????
used to run in Division 5 all the time and Denver is a nice track to run at ,and I had a awesome pit space at the Points race last year but I had to get there very early to pit on as I had complete cooperation from John , but , but I will not pit at any track from now on dirt , a dirty grind up pavement or a mile and a half from the starting line with My $150,000 rig with my $30,000 engine $110,000 race car and my super tow vehicle , it is like this You come into my restaurant and I make you set in the toilets cause I don't have the space to set you in a normal space Of course you would not come back there so you drag strip owners pave the spaces and make sure your customers are pitted in a pit that is ok for your costumers or they will not come back you alone control the bottom line so pave the pits and you will make some money case closed , while I am on my soap box if you are the decision maker of a race track , a suggestion ask the racers how to solve your lack of profit centers you would be surprised at the answers you will like them and will improve YOUR bottom Line example like track Prep call me if you to know how to improve your bottom line at a very inexpensive out lay at how simple it would be for a race track to make the racers happy and improve the bottom line wow just fell off my soap box lol
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SStockDart 07-13-2013 01:16 AM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Don, I am with you all the way................I also started out as a Division 5 racer (from Omaha).

The perception is that Denver does not care about the Sportsman racer....(except Comp) for the National Event......whether that is right or wrong....that is the perception as evidenced by the responses here. The fact of the matter is that John Force brings in the fans and we don't.

Bandimeres' probably do care, but are not able or can't do anything about it. I would like to know.

If......Bandimere's or NHRA would come on here as say: 1. It costs too much to improve the sportsman pits for one event a year............or 2. we have tried to build facilities in the sportsman pits, but the city won't let us........3. Announce beforehand that facilities are substandard...........

I believe (know) that us racers are compassionate and would understand a reasonable explanation.

In the mean while, like you Don, we will stay parked.

Don Kennedy 07-13-2013 01:34 AM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
ok I just crawled back up on the soap box hurt my knee , now when I started racing at 16 years of age I showed up at any race did not care about any race track conditions except to race> the same attitude at 26 years of age then I got little concerned at 36 years of age> a little at 46 years of age and then at 56 years of age I started thinking about the conditions of a race track( Like Pit conditions or starting line prep) at 66 years of age is now so pay attentions to us your bottom line depends on us , oh by the way us older racers have the money to race when we want, where we want and if we if we don't get a Value Return from racing at your track we will not go back ,


You Drag Strip decisions makers are the ones who will lose cause we won't spend the money with you to help your bottom line ,holy cow I fell off the darn soap box again lol

Earle Holt 07-13-2013 06:46 AM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Could it be that people have had to make some tough monetary decisions this year and maybe had to cross this race off their list? Like it's been stated, car counts are down almost everywhere.

RacingRicki 07-13-2013 09:23 AM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pig Farmer (Post 390519)
So, how early do you have to arrive to get a decent parking spot? Black dust doesn't exactly appeal to me...
From the Bandimere web site:
There will be NO Early stacking for the Mopar Mile High NHRA Nationals. Stacking begins at 7:00am on Tuesday, July 16th in the Island Lot. Anyone arriving before this time will be turned around. There shall be NO Racer/Trailer parking ANYWHERE on Colorado 8 or ANYWHERE on Rooney Road prior to 7:00am on July 16th. This will be enforced by Morrison Police, the Colorado State Patrol and violators will be subject to further disciplinarian action by NHRA.

This is actually an improvement from the past when they used to let rigs in to stack on Sunday.

Don Kennedy 07-13-2013 09:42 AM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RacingRicki (Post 390564)
From the Bandimere web site:
There will be NO Early stacking for the Mopar Mile High NHRA Nationals. Stacking begins at 7:00am on Tuesday, July 16th in the Island Lot. Anyone arriving before this time will be turned around. There shall be NO Racer/Trailer parking ANYWHERE on Colorado 8 or ANYWHERE on Rooney Road prior to 7:00am on July 16th. This will be enforced by Morrison Police, the Colorado State Patrol and violators will be subject to further disciplinarian action by NHRA.

This is actually an improvement from the past when they used to let rigs in to stack on Sunday.
For some reason the Drag Strip owners don't like their customers to show up early most likely for a bunch of reason which we all know but I wonder if the Track knows why we show up early ? cause there is a few good pit spots and we want to pit there and the rest are bad >fix the pit spaces and the racers will show up to race fyi The racetrack spends hundreds and thousands of advertising dollars to get us to come to their track to race then when we get there they make us wait to get in ???Now I do know John Bandiemer has sportsman's concerns at heart but he just maybe restricted on what he can do with the pits because of some dumb rule from the Gov Regulators I think who have to justify their job by regulating the same business who pay their salary lol

340Cuda 07-13-2013 11:31 AM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
While I do understand the challenge of racing there, the Denver track is the best I have ever been to as far as watching a race. I like to sit on the top rows and that is just a few steps down from the pits.

Cafe Prague in Morrison is our favorite restaurant anywhere.

Bill

ron mattson 07-13-2013 07:12 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
I have only been to Denver Nats twice but both times it was over 105 degrees and that's just to frickin hot to enjoy yourself!!!

The Hawk 07-13-2013 07:20 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
I know it`s still a week out but the forecast is low 80`s and a slight chance of showers. Should be pretty decent!

Tom keedle 07-14-2013 09:29 AM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 340Cuda (Post 390588)
While I do understand the challenge of racing there, the Denver track is the best I have ever been to as far as watching a race. I like to sit on the top rows and that is just a few steps down from the pits.

Cafe Prague in Morrison is our favorite restaurant anywhere.

Bill
myself, i prefer the east side but it's a hellofa walk to the pits...

Jim Cimarolli 07-14-2013 11:00 AM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Its a good idea to be sure your pit bike is running good before you go up there! Some of them just won't run up there.

Cotten 07-15-2013 08:36 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
On our way. The weather looks great. We are staying in Hays, Ks tonite. Come see us, when we get there.

Bill Bogues 07-15-2013 09:27 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
We went to race the mile high one year and I'll never go back. It wasn"t the heat or lack of performance that was rough, it was getting to the staging lanes from a mile away. Yes it's a slight downhill grade from the boondocks where we were pitted, but I never made it one time to the staging lanes that I didn't have to stop at least 3 or 4 times down that narrow road to get there.There was no way to keep your engine reasonably cool to get to the lanes.But the worst thing was when we went to leave out they wouldn't let us turn right on exit from track and go right up on the Interstate, we had to go left which I couldn't get on the Interstate and we got totally lost and ended up in some neighborhood and then on the other side of the mountain. It took two hours to finally get headed in the right direction. I swore then I'd never be back. On the plus side the scenery was beautiful, and I would go back to Colorado so sightsee , just not with a motorhome and racecartrailer.

GarysZ24 07-15-2013 11:55 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RacingRicki (Post 390361)
Having been a long time racer at Bandimere as well as other tracks in the west/midwest, I'd like to set a few things straight without sounding too biased.

Yes, during the MileHighs things get cramped. Everybody tries to squeeze onto the limited asphalt. In years past, more sportsman racers could get on asphalt but with the size of the rigs and the pros requiring more space with hospitality etc., sportsman get pushed into the recycled asphalt. Which by the way is closer to the staging lanes than Topeka's expanded pit area. People don't seem to mind pitting far away. I think the difference is Topeka has asphalt and a pretty darn nice restroom facility close to the sportsman pits.

I for one HATE the recycled asphalt. Its dusty and rocky and that black dust gets everywhere. But the lack of asphalt is supposedly not Bandimere's fault. Something about too much pavement on the hill is bad for drainage. Believe me if they could, they would pave the whole thing to make it nicer. The Bandimeres are not shy about investing money in their facility.

Yes there is no running water and no restrooms/showers except for the tower (well water). But they have lots of port a johns that are serviced throughout the weekend. The women don't like them but at least they aren't crapping in their shoes. I go to lots of other tracks that don't have great restroom facilities.

On the plus side, the Bandimeres are great people and they care about the racer's/fan experience. Mopar offers lots of perks and hosts the block party in Golden which is always well attended with live music, car show, etc.

Some people may not like it but I for one, enjoy the race. Throngs of people attend this race and the security personnel have to "part the sea" of people to allow the cars to get to the staging lanes. After the races you can drive into the mountains to the many mountain towns that have gambling etc. or just enjoy the scenery.

The view from the pits is second to none. You can see the whole track from anywhere in the grandstands and the fence along the pits. Racers can watch the races in the spectator grand stands with your credential. Other tracks make you sit in the bleachers down track where you can't see anything.

All in all, like every track, there are pluses and minuses. I think Bandimere's pluses outweigh the minuses.
Ricki, I agree with you and Mike Coe about your positives about Bandimere Speedway. Other than the Bandimere family being such great people, and some of the most racer friendly track owners I've ever known, I stopped reading these threads after page 4 because one very important (but overlooked) thing Bandimere Speedway has that most tracks don't have, is a "COOL DOWN ISLAND", capable of cooling down 10-14 race cars at once! Ricki I'll be greatful that when ESPN did that interview of your car, I was able to see a bit of mine during the tale end of your interview, which was the first time any car I've owned/raced was ever captured on tv...thanks bud for being a pit neighbor!. Moreover, that was also the same year ('06), that I made the quarters, and at least had the best Stock Eliminator racing package of the event (.006)....I have to thank my buds Randy Hyman, and Lane (The Hawk) Weber, for their assistance in making that possible. I wanted to go up there to try and improve on my '06 finish, but my work didn't get busy quick enough for me to earn the needed funds to go there for a divisional last month. :( After that messed up crap here at the former Firebird "International" Raceway, I needed a divisional to qualify to go there this week, and I'd have gone if the funds allowed...my only regret was rushing back to the lanes and finding out I was the first car of the quarters participants (Ryan McClanahan benefitted from my poor judgement)...I won't make that mistake again.

I have a lot of people up there to root for this weekend in several classes, and I'll be looking forward to "Drag Race Central", and ESPN's coverage as well (since all of the Pro Stockers, and nearly all of the fuel racers will make the first round call). I just wish I could be there with those of you going! HAVE A GREAT/SAFE TIME UP THERE!!! :)

GTX JOHN 07-16-2013 05:55 AM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
I did not see the fact mentioned (Maybe missed it)
that there is a Div 7 Points race the SAME weekend
again this year.

Quite a few Div 7 guys used to make the trip up prior
to that......In fact we went over 10 years in a row and
generallywith multiple Cars.

For us.....It is only a couple hundred miles or less further than
SF/ Bay Area and we would go again except for the race conflict.
Last time I went to Denver.....I towed my car from the back 40 to
my competitor's pits for class and very nearly got a years suspension
for my bright idea. My car runs better cold and thought that it
would be fair to drive my car the same distance as the guy I was
racing. NHRA did not appreciate my logic and I nearly got my B*tt
kicked out!

Rat Raceway 07-16-2013 06:18 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Things are looking alittle better... :rolleyes:

I looked back at the entries for Stock at Bandimer .

In 2009 there were 41 entries.


In 2010 there were 39 entries.


In 2011 there were 35 entries.


In 2012 there were 28 entries.

As it sits now we have 34 in. Not 50 but better then 28...:eek:

Floyd Staggs 07-16-2013 06:30 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Looks like they are down about 150 cars from their quota. And, the first 66 don't pay entries.
Hmmm, somebody is going to be drinking cheaper beer.

GarysZ24 07-18-2013 11:54 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SStockDart (Post 390528)
Don, I am with you all the way................I also started out as a Division 5 racer (from Omaha).

The perception is that Denver does not care about the Sportsman racer....(except Comp) for the National Event......whether that is right or wrong....that is the perception as evidenced by the responses here. The fact of the matter is that John Force brings in the fans and we don't.

Bandimeres' probably do care, but are not able or can't do anything about it. I would like to know.

I believe (know) that us racers are compassionate and would understand a reasonable explanation.

.
Randall Klein,

You're right, Bandimere Speedway was going to build a new track back in 2001 at what would've been known as "World Park" (the facility that is), and it was going to be another of Mr. Bruton Smiths great developments, but thanks to the son of former Governor Richard Lamb, and a New York Investor, with help from some people at the (defunct Pikes Peak International Raceway), Amendment 2F was voted down by a close margin. They got involved because a NASCAR track was going to be built out there as well that would've put their poorly located track to shame, because it would've been big enough to bring the heavy hitters from Nascar out there.

As for Bandimere caring for the sportsman racer, they definitely do, given they have their own sportsman racing series, and they field one of the toughest teams in divisional bracket finals each year. (I'm honored to say that I was part of their great teams from the '79, '81, & '82... which I won Street Eliminator in the second of those, and made the semi's as an alternate in the first one, and won the Gamblers Jackpot Race in '82), representing "Team Bandimere" each year.

I wish all tracks would show that they care for the racers like the Bandimere Family does, as racing would be more fun if they did. As long as tracks like No Problem Raceway, Southwestern International Raceway, Rocky Mountain Raceway, Douglas Motorsports Park, San Antonio International Raceway, and Pueblo Motorsports Park exist, I know there's hope....I'm sure their are countless others nationwide, but these are tracks I've heard lots of good things about, or had great experiences at myself. :)

cudadoug 07-21-2013 08:40 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SStockDart (Post 390235)
Here is a quick Excel spread sheet. This is a rough cost of racing in Denver. The first Column is the One Way miles...Second column is the "Start Location"....third column is the cost for fuel at 10 MPG (round trip)....then the entry cost of $310.....thus the final cost just to get to Denver and race.....without your pit crew...... So, I live in the Phoenix area....it will cost me nearly a thousand dollars to go to Denver and race.....Plus the cost of my wife, racing fuel, breakage, maintenance, and entertainment.
So, For those that have unlimited budgets.....go have at it. As for me...It would take at Least a runner up finish to break even....... Maybe this will help explain why the shortage of Super Stock Racers.....


Miles From>>>> Fuel @ Total for
One Way To Denver 10 MPG Entry Fee Car & Driver

480 Salt Lake City $384 $310 $694
600 Topeka $480 $310 $790
680 El Paso $544 $310 $854
680 Oklahoma City $544 $310 $854
820 St. Louis $656 $310 $966
850 Phoenix $680 $310 $990
880 Dallas $704 $310 $1,014
1000 Los Angeles $800 $310 $1,110
1100 Chicago $880 $310 $1,190
1180 San Francisco $944 $310 $1,254
Entertainment cost?? You're not entertained enough by racing at a National Event?...lol!

Regarding the runner up finish needed to break even: You'll never go to another National Event with 21 (TWENTY ONE??!!????) cars qualified is SS...

KEN BUGAJ 07-22-2013 02:04 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 340Cuda (Post 390588)
While I do understand the challenge of racing there, the Denver track is the best I have ever been to as far as watching a race. I like to sit on the top rows and that is just a few steps down from the pits.

Cafe Prague in Morrison is our favorite restaurant anywhere.

Bill
You need to go to Norwalk ! The Grandstands have a nose bleed section you'll love !! lol
Norwalk get's my vote for number One !!

Stocker 2 07-23-2013 12:00 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Stock had 32 entries, S/S had 21 entries. That is just pathetic.

Bobby DiDomenico 07-23-2013 02:17 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stocker 2 (Post 391863)
Stock had 32 entries, S/S had 21 entries. That is just pathetic.
I bet the guy who entered and won was happy.

The Hawk 07-23-2013 07:03 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stocker 2 (Post 391863)
Stock had 32 entries, S/S had 21 entries. That is just pathetic.
Where were you if it was so pathetic?

Tom keedle 07-23-2013 07:40 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hawk (Post 391908)
Where were you if it was so pathetic?

:)^

Stocker 2 07-23-2013 09:20 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hawk (Post 391908)
Where were you if it was so pathetic?
I was helping out with one of the 108 Stockers that attended the Division 3 LODRS race at National Trail in Ohio. BTW there were 89 S/S there too.

Never any excuses needed for the turnout in Division 3.

Joe Toller 07-23-2013 09:37 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Take into account how many miles are between racers and tracks out west. ALOT. Its less populated in the wild wild west, which probably explains lower counts as opposed to denser populated areas like the upper midwest and northeast. It doesn't mean the west is bad, it's just a helluva haul to do ANYTHING lol!

I hate that the count was down; however, I might just have a shot to make the field next year!

The Hawk 07-23-2013 10:25 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iraceitall (Post 391933)
Take into account how many miles are between racers and tracks out west. ALOT. Its less populated in the wild wild west, which probably explains lower counts as opposed to denser populated areas like the upper midwest and northeast. It doesn't mean the west is bad, it's just a helluva haul to do ANYTHING lol!
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Exactly! I used to bring this up a lot on this forum a few years back. Pull out a map of the United States and place your finger on any place in Division 5 and see how far it is to most NHRA events.

Todd Leitner 07-23-2013 11:21 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
You have to get there on Tuesday to get on the asphalt. The last time I was there we were in the north 40 up against the hill, and the fumes from the generators on the pros coaches was so bad we couldn't even open our windows.

GarysZ24 07-23-2013 11:55 PM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iraceitall (Post 391933)
Take into account how many miles are between racers and tracks out west. ALOT. Its less populated in the wild wild west, which probably explains lower counts as opposed to denser populated areas like the upper midwest and northeast. It doesn't mean the west is bad, it's just a helluva haul to do ANYTHING lol!

I hate that the count was down; however, I might just have a shot to make the field next year!
You and Lane hit the nail on the head. I too recall trying to entice NHRA to do for our divisional layout, what the NFL did with their football divisions a long while back, and I recalled getting laughed at by many people with few exceptions. It was nonsense for the Atlanta Falcons to have to travel from one end of the country to the other to play against the San Francisco 49ers (and others in the former NFC West), and it's equally nonsense for Div's 5, 6, & 7 to have to travel over 400 miles to race divisional events. Good example, here in D7, if anyone who lives in Az., wanted to race their recent divisional, they would've had to travel nearly 1,000 miles to get to Sonoma from Phoenix. Thanks to the 55mph towing limit on California's highways, it would've been better for them to pay the extra entry fee money and go to Denver for the Mile High's, but it would've been lousy for either tow, compareds to those of you who live in D3.

I still think it high time NHRA either changes their divisional layout, or follow the NFL and create a new division (or two), to reduce tow miles for all of us out here too???

Tom keedle 07-24-2013 05:35 AM
Re: Lack of Sportsman Entries for Denver
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hawk (Post 391951)
Exactly! I used to bring this up a lot on this forum a few years back. Pull out a map of the United States and place your finger on any place in Division 5 and see how far it is to most NHRA events.
lane, don't forget the "if you don't like NHRA, there's IHRA" statement....


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