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$100,000 stockers, $150,000 super stockers, motorhomes,. toterhomes, stacker trailers and golf carts fill the grounds of every divisional and national event to race for peanuts and you're crying about a new safety rule and spending $200.

Too funny!

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The Next time we see you with a Class Car, Oh that's right you don't have one, Witch intern means your opinion does't count or matter.....

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There you are, I knew you were lurking!:p

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Obviously you assume every racer spends this kind of money on his crap. Well guess what. We don't. We all have our budgets. Have seen my racing operation? Come by my pits in Vegas and I'll be glad to give you a guided tour of my "multi million" dollar operation.

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look around when you are in the pits, it's the year 2013 and you are in the minority!

That said, you don't have a choice, they are now mandatory and must be NHRA accepted.

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I don't care if I'm in the so called minority as you speak. Whether you have a million dollar operation or a budget deal like mine the end result is the same. We are force to run and buy a so called safety item that I can easily duplicate at a fraction of the price.

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says you but you don't get to say what you can/will do on this matter, the NHRA does!

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Mufflers were a done deal too at one time.

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Look it's the house guest no one invited

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lol

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Ed, there are a few things you are not considering and it is have nothing to do that NHRA is the regulator. It has to do with the premise in which this rule was implemented.

First, I believe there is not a solid case for the requirement to have a tether for the collectors.

If NHRA were to do a Weibull analysis, taking into consideration the number of events in which a collector came off from the header assembly and compared to the number of cars in competition and the number of runs, the low percentage of events would not justify or validate such requirement or rule change.

Second, I priced the cost of the parts offered and the labor required. Even when you buy the best parts in bulk, they are still making a considerable profit.

You may bring up the testing and approval of the parts; well, where are the test and acceptance criteria or specifications?

SFI does not have any specifications and NHRA has not published any criteria either. Therefore, it appears the approval is subjective.

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your opinion and speculation, none of which matter.

Bottomline is collector tethers are required as of 2014 and until someone else comes up with an NHRA accepted solution as well cheaper solution, you will be buying these tethers or welding your collectors.

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Yes, might be my opinion, but speculation?

Please Mr. Ed...if you are so smart as you claim, please school me on the speculation part.
As I understand the definition of speculation is the forming of a theory or conjecture without sufficient evidence or basis. Other than what stated, anything else is considered a "knee jerk" reaction.
In my profession, I base my decisions on objective evidence, not speculation.

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Does this ruling not apply across the board; to all levels of NHRA competition? If so, looks like Ed has to spend a few more of his winnings on safety equipment.

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The constant rubbing of our noses by 1320racer in a pile he see's as Doggy doo; aka "Class Racing" to 1320racer, is an obvious attempt by him to somehow prove he is better than any Class Racer. Yet in trying to display his level of competence, he constantly brings to light his incompetence. He constantly seeks either our approval, yet relishes when he gets somebody on our side to buy into his "your just glorified bracket racers". The old adage, "misery loves company", certainly applies to 1320racer.
Whether capable or not capable of making the commitment in building and competing with a class race car, the bottom line is 1320racer is not a Class Racer. In his world, he see's himself as King. In my world, he's nothing.
Therefore I just wasted a minute of my life...

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So "cousin Eddie" er......1320 says "Hey, Clark, the ****ters full":D

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The design is nice, the price is not. I did not know there was such an immediate need for a solution to this "problem"? I can think of a few other "problem" areas NHRA should be focusing on rather than a rogue collector every 100,000 passes.
Can someone please remind me why he ^ is allowed here?
Really, I need to know why.
Or, I won't be able to sleep at night.

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1320 they missed you sunday, and they ask about you at the scales.

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Ed cant you see we are all getting F.;[..ck..Money isn't the problem . a monkey can make the same product NHRA are forcing down our throat.By the way its about$ 300 plus for my slow azz stocker.. Ed whats the report on Numedia track owner sucker punching the starter..
Being you no it all..Give us the real gossip..

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Ed, 2 questions first you stated "that now there is a need" now this statement , exactly where do you come up with any real evidence this is true? Yes there are some high end operations out there...but for every one of them there's 50 that get by with the minimum just so they can field a car. I realize for a man of your financial status $200 is chump change you prolly tip the guy at taco bell that much. Many of the racers you're accusing of "crying" have personally built their own stuff, cars, engines, ect. some to save some money some merely for the feeling of accomplishment of doing it themselves. I believe you used the same "argument" when a year ago I was stating my distain about buying a new window net every two years. REALLY it's not all about the money it's about the reasoning behind the rules, that's the issue here. If I felt like this were an actual problem that needed addressed I'd be all in, what the heck my collectors cost around $800 so why would I chance running over them? Apparently people capable of building competitive race cars aren't capable of properly fastening the components? Yes I realise it's a rule...however is it a good rule implimented for valid reasons ? Please feel free to inform us of all the times you've personally saw a collector get shot off a car, I can tell you how many times I saw it since 1982....once. Oh and BTW I don't have $100,000 in all my stuff...car, truck,trailer, and golf cart.

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I guess my main objection is that I really don't like being screwed when it comes to spending my money. I have tri-y headers that are all individual pipes. How many of these sob's do I have to have? This is a solution to a non existent problem.

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James, there are no victims here, only participants and I have yet to read one post where a racer has stated he is going to invest his time and money to produce another solution, get it approved by the NHRA and sell it cheaper than the current solution.

As for Numidia....1. the starter was NOT sucker punched by the track owner or anyone else. 2. MIke Summers is back and will be the starter at Numidia for as long as a DiMino owns it.

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Doesn't it state "removeable multi piece collectors"? Exactly what is a multi piece collector? Does this mean a collector with some sort of removeable tube? Really the wording has me a bit confused. My header arrangement requires I have a removeable collector as well as to remove my trans. so welding them is not an option.

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As for Numidia....1. the starter was NOT sucker punched by the track owner or anyone else. 2. MIke Summers is back and will be the starter at Numidia for as long as a DiMino owns it.[/QUOTE]

Ed, you sure bout this, your fellow "classracers" over to the bullet have made MANY posts to the contrary, guess they're all wrong too?

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99.9% of those that posted on that cesspool are NOT racers no mind my "fellow classracers" and more important, were NOT there!!!!

I was there and I know EXACTLY what happen as well I KNOW this issue is behind all parties concerned.

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Getting Back on Point..

Got a huge scare at Cecil County last November when a 9 second Nova blasted by with a Header Pipe, Collector and Muffler blowing off his car just before the finish line.

The advantage was the pieces were moving faster than my car.
It was enough time to dodge them at 104 mph in the traps.
One piece came at me like it had my name on it.
It pitched off to the right at the last second.

Have no problem with S/SS or regular Bracket cars.
But some race their Show Cars which have more power than common sense.
They have not done any testing and not ready for the track.

Fortunately my system is all welded as are most racers.
My 1969 Impala Header Collector were bolted together with a pair of Tabs.

Dan

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OK, so you're saying you ACTUALLY saw this as it happened with your own eyes, since there were at least a dozen guys that stated they actually witnessed the event they're obviously mistaken and you are correct....as usual. Sorry Dan, just calling the oracle on a statement.

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what part of the above don't you understand? YES, with my own 2 eyes and and those "at least a dozen guys" that YOU say stated they witnessed this incident well at least 11 of them are lying!!!

Imagine that, you read something on an internet forum and it's not true.:rolleyes:

That was my last comment on this matter that is now closed!!!!

Back to collector tethers and how you and others claim this ain't about money despite the numerous posts here complaining about the cost of the only approved solution currently to the new rule.

Again, too funny!:p

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When was the last time or has anyone seen a NASCAR, Sprint, Road Racing or any similar race car with collector tethers?

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Oh speaking and understanding english yeah I got that, you stating everyone else who like you claim they witnessed an event but state they saw something completely different than what you say....well you can see my reluctance to accept ONLY your version. Actually don't know any of the parties involved in it nor do I care, just wanted to be clear on your statements since they seem to be counter to MANY others my apologies for doubting you. Oh and yes it's always about money, the question is a "solution" to what? Let's maybe have a poll...how many on here have had a collector fall off their car? Or had anything else fall off, nut, bolt,wrench,ect. we'll tally the results and make an informed decision as to whether this is in fact "a real need" OK?

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I think Mr Gray has shown where the problem lies. There is so many ingenious and talented people who race in Class, Comp, S/G& S/C and brackets that I'm sure, they can built a safe and affordable unit of their own choosing without having being forced to buy just one NHRA proven system. This is North America where mechanical talents are still valued, I've flown many type of aircraft and I depend on the aircraft mechanics to use Millbar pliers for installing the safety lock wire so important in Aviation, why couldn't we trust this system for all bolts system. Let's see and compare the price: $2@foot , bolts with hole $2. Never in my life have I ever seen a bolt once secured back off. Claude Ruel

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don't care who or what you believe, the matter is closed and of no concern or business of yours and 99.9% of those that have posted on that cesspool.

Oh and as to the collector tethers, if required, I'll be buying a pair, $200 is a drop in the bucket for me no mind the vast majority of class racers given what we have spent on our racing operation.

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I have never heard of or seen any Stock or Super Stock losing a collector. Does this happen often and I don't see it?

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I would have to say that about 95% of the ones I have seen come off have been on super class cars (about 4 total in 43years racing) jmo

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As stated, don't know them nor do I care, your statement to the contrary of many others was the topic, as your views seem to skew from the majority. Not that the majority is always right but it's doubtful they're always wrong.

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Joe,

Dont waste any more time or effort on this guy. He is a wannabe has been. Thats been proven time and time again.

I have no official comment any further other than that.

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I am all for safety, but how this went down is what bothers me. A while back NHRA tells us we need to have these but wait you can not buy them yet. It felt like someone had an idea and went to NHRA to get them to require and appove their design, then the manufacturing could proceed.
As for NHRA Approved products, has anyone considered the fire extinguisher mount? You could buy one from a supplier that produced both an approve and not approved version. Guess which costs more?
Who knew hose clamps were not be acceptable.
As for me, I do not think teathers are necessary if one is doing a thorough maintanence check on there race cars. But it is their sand box and if I want to play, I would make my own version using the same clamps and cable design with materials bought direct at a lower expense. Sure, the cars cost us a lot but it does not mean we have to spend more than we have to. We all have spent money on performance products that did not live up to the quality, fit and performance expectations to justify the expense.

my $.02

Bob

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It's to bad some people got hirt by parts falling off cars. I already had my collectors fastened at primary pipes and to the trans cross member before the atco issue . Money is alway an issue . Is the collector teather rule for all the bracket cars too .

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I might be a bit confused,BUT, just how much more money do I have to spend to go racing? All these little "oh by the ways you need this now" is getting to be too much. I haven't had any collector problems in 32 years of running this car, and I can see where these teather thingies will be a problem getting the car on and off the trailer.John Kissel K242

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Who exactly thinks this way? That is not what I am hearing at Indy...Many are P.O.ed.