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Yeah,, I'd like to know that too. Its not exactly a cake walk up here in the NW.
Danny Durham

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Don you said to watch for the following racers still haven't seen any racers names for the check?

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The random drug tests should expose these people

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Wouldn't it make sense for non delay box classes to be checked regularly on a unannounced, random basis... I would have zero objection to a few nhra officials checking cars at the turnoff.

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If that's the case then why give these guy or guys a heads up that a check is coming??

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Mr Kennedy,
It takes a serious pair of stones to make those accusations. What do you have to back up your story?

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Somehow that old and slow Don Kennedy managed to be #5 Qualifier at the Sportsnationals in Vegas last week. You'd think he'd ask for your credentials but I know him. He does't care.

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Racer1320 by the way original name, I will say this about Beard, I would like to see a dial in grudge race between you to, 10,000 to the winner best of 7, make a run every 15 minutes with 2 time shots, the track can be anywhere but since your so good on the bottom 1320 I'm thinking Piedmont at the 20K footbrake race.

Put up or shut up, we don't care you go 128 60 foot at 3800 lbs and Beard had a bad weekend in PA. Here is what I do know, I paid Beard's entry once in a 10K race, at Bristol, and he ran hisself in the finals.

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Herb,
Which Beard won? The one having a real good day or the one having a so-so day, but still holding a mulligan? :~)

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Herb...

1. as piedmont's track manager, your post doesn't say much about your professionalism and calls into question what should be your unbiased decision making should an issue arise between pairings, the ladder, bye runs, etc.

2. no where in my post did I state I am "so good on the bottom"

3. I'm a bracket racer, not a grudge racer. We don't race best of anything, we race each round to eliminate except in North Carolina where there is no tech inspection and where you can buyback until you run out of $ and if you're "lucky" enough to hold the "mulligan" that's drawn, they'll put you back in the race late in the rounds.

4. my comment about beard's bad day was to show he's human too as beard never misses and opportunity to tell everyone how good he is even in this thread about alleged NHRA inspections for cheating in super stock, stating his every round reaction times of his good weekend.

5. I have supported beard's thanksgiving race in the past as well yours and had every intention of supporting it again this year with a double entry, being that it's back at piedmont which is a far better facility than that dump known as cpd, but based on your comments above, and questionable unbiased decision making skills as the manager, I'll pass and I'll be sure to let my friends know who were on the fence why I am not going.

6. when/if beard shows up again at numidia, I'll make every effort to line up with him and based on his comments, his car will help me to facilitate his out of here in 10 minutes routine.;) Better yet, my kid could run him.

7. that all said, why make this about beard when you have made it about you and me so here's what I'm thinking...no time shots, no buybacks, no mulligans, no best of 7! You line up against me, put a number the window, 1 time,1 round in a legal/no electronics, footbrake launched door car and we bracket race. Both cars are inspected immediately after turning off the track by the track manager and you/I. Race and inspection will be video'd. The loser donates $5,000 within 48 hours to the winner's legit, incorporated, nationally known charity. The track chosen will be halfway between us. Hell you even get a tax deduction. So put up or shut up!

8. BTW, I'm with you, I don't care about the car that you witnessed run 1.28 60 foot in 2007 that I sold 5 years ago, that a another poster felt compelled to talk about in this thread. My current ride is far more impressive and 60 foots as quick as 1.17! :D

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Perhaps Mr. Finch and Mr. Reese will be at Vegas...

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And I'd like to further suggest that in addition to the random drug testing program, perhaps NHRA should consider instituting some form of mental health screening as a condition of participation...

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Dan, now that was funny.. HA!, but it is a good idea.

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I know you also mentioned this on Facebook,but the fact remains that almost all of the results of the races are on Drag Race Central.

I have yet to see anybody that wins a lot of races that never redlights.

I don't think very many people win more than Dan Fletcher and he actually redlighted in TWO National event finals this year. (STILL won them both!)

Since when is not redlighting a requirement for winning?

Its okay to redlight,just don't do it first.

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The mental health screen would take away most racers. I've always said "who in their right mind would do this"

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I agree with Tim about the mental health.
Testing for mental health might "Thin the Herd".
Drag Racing is actually a type of Drug addiction.
I would like to say that in rebutal to Don's aligations of cheating:
To some, cheating is just part of "The Game"

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We laugh at the old Jr Johnson stories, we revere Smokey Yunick's scale model Chevelle yet we take offence at nitrous in Pro Stock and Matty boxes....maybe not an exact comparison, but makes one go hmmmm

Basically we are all in control of an individual race at a particular time, as my package is vs. the package in the other lane. Over the course of a season electronics probably has an advantage, but for the local Sportsman, at a singular moment, it is in his control. Certainly fear and/or respect seems to precipitate more red lights against the "heros"; again you are in control of your response to who is in the other lane

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Sometimes I think a similar process should be a prerequisite to qualify for participation on this forum. :rolleyes:

Apologies to those, (including myself), who suffer from bouts of temporary insanity. :p

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I like that one Dan, but perhaps certain racers only follow shows like Big Brother and Survivor for their role models and didn't get your reference. I'd like to think everyone is staying within the rules, but then I maintained that Lance didn't dope right up until he finally admitted it so what do I know.

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Herb is not Piedmont's track manager, and has not been for years.


Loose Rocker Promotions has never had a Mulligan at any of our events, and we utilize only one round of buybacks at our bracket races, run re-entry style. As far as tech, while we've never done a complete tear down of a car, at our $20K Footbrake events, I have personally checked out nearly every car in competition to some extent, plus we have knowledgeable starters who watch for anything out of the ordinary.

As explained previously, citing actual data of a car/driver that is demonstrably not cheating is the easiest way to refute a claim that people are cheating because someone doesn't believe it's statistically possible. Good lord...! SORRY I even posted anything. :confused:

See (1.) above. Additionally, decisions made at Loose Rocker events are made solely by either myself or Anthony Walton, and done so as fairly as possible, made based on the circumstances, and not the driver(s) involved. Why would you bad-mouth our event based on someone who has no association with neither the event nor the facility?

Good idea. We've never had an issue with each other that I'm aware of, and there's no need to start one now.

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I am out numbered by a cranky wife and a graduating high school daughter so that would rule me out. :D

Dan

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NHRA has a responsibility to check all cars for electronic driving aids!

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So what your saying is that the odds are incredible that one of the best bottom bulb racers in the world can win 10% of the national events he is entered at???

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Michael, I have no issue with you except to say lighten up a little.

Further, I wasn't aware of any issue between herb and I, having only met/talked to him once years ago at piedmont but apparently, he has issue with some of my online opinions and comments. That's ok, don't bother me, I sleep well at night but if he wants to issue a challenge, YOU need to tell him to speak for himself unless he's your pr guy.

Next, I was not aware that he is no longer piedmont's manager as he still goes by "Piedmontdragwaymanager" on other websites.

Lastly, I have not bad mouthed your event, only stated the facts and the truth about tech as well the former facility that hosted this event. For the record, NO ONE has ever "checked out" my car(s) as it relates to safety or legality or any of my friend's cars at your event or herb's. I have personally witnessed numerous safety issues with car and driver including one of the local hero's there start his car and lunge forward because it did not have a neutral safety switch. Where there is smoke, there is fire and when everyone knows no one is checking cars, the temptation for some not to play fairly might be more than they can withstand.

One north carolina racer told me years ago that they can't tech cars here in nc because if they did, more than half the cars wouldn't be legal to race.;)

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So are you saying the ones that are winning 4 or 5 a year must be cheating?

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".....best bottom bulb racer(s)...."

We need to get our focus off the tree. Electronics or blinder or plain good of a full tree, one needs to get under .020 which is attainable for most. The resource the full time racers have is at the top end, usually playing with .02 in the bank, and with way more seat time some have perfected taking the stripe or giving it up. That is where the playas cash in

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You just got done saying:
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Actually, I went trailer-to-trailer on the first day of the event each year, and typically got to 90% or more of the cars. I discussed seat belts, valve stems, throttle return springs, battery hold-downs, ground wires on fuel cells, etc with a number of drivers. I spent time studying and talking with you about your car at the Jim Harrington race. When people brought other issues to my attention, they were investigated. I cannot speak for events run by other promoters.

That's enough hijacking of this thread. Any more off-topic discussion can take place under the proper existing threads, under a new thread if need be, or via private message.

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Michael, you must have me and my car(s) confused with someone else as I have never spoken to you face to face until your 2011 thanksgiving weekend event at cpd but you may have spent time "studying" my car(s) as many do, impressed by it's performance and perfection. :D

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That is funny right there, I don't care who you are. LOL

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It is a very nice car Ed, only loose screw I saw was holding the steering wheel.

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Don, you deserve our respect for your hard work and I do think that NHRA should be pro-active in being serious about electronic aids(after all we can send satellites around the globe that can read your cereal box on your breakfast table, how hard would it be to make a light censor). In your data do you take take in all time trial lights also? After talking to many top racers, one thing they all told me is push the tree during time trials and don't red light during competition if you want to be successful. NHRA should be vigilant, look what happened with the Matty Box in Bracket racing a few years ago but I don't think that Super Stock would be a problem... Ah yes, there's that reaction push switch that is sold.lol Claude Ruel p.s. Micheal you're living it so don't worry about the negative comments, thanks for introducing in my mind that you cut killer lights, not fair to use psychological warfare.lol

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1320, why do you always troll in the STOCK and SUPER STOCK threads if you are neither?

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The truth is out they both just got busted

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Did you notice 1320's avatar compared to Ed Wright's? Which one carries the front end? Similar cars, but Ed has 200 fewer cubes and small tires and is a class car that can and does qualify at the top of the sheet. 1320 is just another super gas car that he chooses to run brackets.

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What do you think they will do to them?

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1320's car is not a S/G car

It was built by MPR and is a well built SS type car and was run as both a Stocker once if I recall correct....and then redone as a SS'er before he bought it...

I'm not defending him in any way shape or form.....just pointing out that it really is not a typical S/G car out there today....

Big tires and a big engine yes.....S/G car....No way...

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rich I don't need you or anyone to defend me!

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easy to hang them both