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Diving goes on all of the time, especially among "team" cars.

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Very disappointing to see what has transpired a second time with the same duo, what are the chances this happens twice in a row, probably one billion to one! NHRA are you listening? If it smells like donkey refuse. Championship must be earned. Claude Ruel

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I am stating no position here because I have no idea what's going on - but one thing I do know for sure.. if there was a payoff it was probably way more than a divisional payout. :eek:

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I personally don't know all the racers that raced Mr. Lamb ( The New Stock Eliminator Champion) but, the car Ted Romero is driving I sold to his father Bernie Romero, unless the car has been rewired, there is a switch on the console that has to be flipped to activate the two step,( I forgot many times) are the car will launch when you try to. go on the two step. Mistakes is what separates us all from the winners circle, I just try to make less than the guy in the other lane.

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Charley is the voice of the masses this time.

The Lambeck deal a few weeks ago was wrong, regardless if it's happened in the past with others.

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Thank's jm Carter for clearing that up for me,
Don't know Lamb,just know of him,but does'nt look good to me ,then in Randi Lynn's video, The who's Charlie Downing? Does he race? If you read Natl. Dragster,you know who Charlie,akaCharles,aka Charlie Bob,Downing is.
Randi Lynn,I believe you could make a good investigative reporter.
Mike Taylor 3601

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You are right, they just call it ''strategy''.....
MB

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I gotta go with the Vinny Barone rule on this one.. "MAKE NO DEALS, RACE TO THE STRIPE".. problems solved.. no need for making up false scenarios..

But I gotta tell y'all.. when I see a video featuring a used car salesman out of the midwest, talking like he's from the deep south, kinda makes me think, NUFF SAID!!..

ONLY JOKIN' WITH YA, BO.. love you guys.. OK.. OK.. Darryl too.. IMAGINE THAT!!!

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Quite a few years ago Mr Joe ('ol Joe) Tueton was holding court about the old days...seems him and lil Joe hauled up to a race in Michigan and was told to take a dive for one of the MoPar Team cars....Joe tells D.M. that he wouldn't tank if they gave him Chrysler, and by the way tell that so and so to get up here and race and he better be using his clutch

That my friends is a big deposit in the ethical bank account

Proud to call the Tueton's race friends

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Was Not there, but also can account to Mr.Gilley's passion to win. His car may not have gotten all the way to the performance of Lambs but I know he would do anything and everything he could to take a shot. Do not know the others as well so I will only comment on what I do know.

Scott

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Just priceless.........................and so fitting.

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^^ lol

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;)would be neat to see a post from the participants (justin's competitors) @ vegas......... have raced ted romero, seems stand up to me.

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Look guys, lets be honest here. There are two major reasons for taking a dive, in any sport. 1.) Money. 2.) You want to help a guy (friend) achieve a goal.

Now I'm not saying there was any money exchanged in this deal, only the people involved and God know that. Maybe it was a combination of both. There is an old adage that says "if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck..... it's a duck! In this deal it looks as if at least four racers walked like a duck....... for whatever reason. The video pretty much clinched it for me. Mr. Lamb's "deer in the headlights" look was obvious.

Look, many good people do "whatever it takes" to achieve a goal, or help a friend, or make some money. How many times have you heard neighbors say "He is a good boy, never bothered anyone" about a mass murderer? Not to say that taking a dive is equal to murder but hopefully you get the point. The point is that if you are to be honest about this, everyone reading this would at some point in their life would do something they normally would not do for one of the above two reasons. Statistical research positively backs my statement. All it takes is the "opportunity" at the right time in your life.

Given the facts of this particular incident, there is about a trillion to one chance Mr. Lamb did not receive "help" with this championship. This is the problem with the "ends justify the means" attitude. The means does matter! Jim

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I think this race is the one that needs to be explained. Doesn't make sense.

Well, that was very weird! Neither car made a burnout and just pulled directly up to the starting line and staged. As soon as they staged, Lambeck drove slowly away. Lamb took the green and drove down the track right behind Lambeck. You decide what this was all about!!

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this one for sure looks pretty obvious.

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I think 3 of 4 were obvious, I think it could have been done in a way that could have been a little more conspicuous and not been a slap in the face to fellow competitors. The way this thing went down was worse than Clint Bowyer's spin in the NASCAR scandal. My question is will NHRA do anything or let it go? I understand this is not professional sports but lets say some kid threw a high school or college game on purpose, what do yout think the repercussions would be? Funny thing is he appears to be very talented and may not have even needed all the shenanigans to win, guess we will never know that one. By the way,congrats to Mr Skillman on a fine season.

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No dog in this fight but nothing has ever been said about bothers from Texas who just do not show up to race each other to give the round to who ever needed the points? All of them are good guys just depends what glasses you are looking threw. Tom

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We all saw what happened when he raced a real "Champion", Chuck Rayburn in the next round. He lost.

Oh yeah, and congratulations to Drew for a great season. We know who the real champion is!

Patsy

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Congrats to Drew.

If you were to forget about this thread,the Championship was decided by ONE point.

In my opinion,this is what is wrong with the points system anyways.

Drew won a couple of 7 round races and got 105 points for each win.

But if you win a 6 round race,you still get 105 points.

If you lose in the third round of a Division 3 race,you get 50 points because there are so many cars.

If you lose at races to the West in the third round,you get 51 points because there are not that many cars.

Probably a topic for another thread,but if all this controversy didn't happen,I still think Drew is the 2013 Stock World Champion in my eyes.By my calculations,he won more races and won more rounds anyway without all of this thread.

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You should call NHRA and change it !!

Is this the Charlie that ran into Don Higgins dragster?

As for paying someone off it takes two so you should go talk to the other parties.

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Way to go to the Lambs. **all who are posting pure conjecture about this should be ashamed, You should not post your opinion without investigating the facts first. Most of the posting is pure emotion based on not one person looking into the people involved .

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Don ... I was talking about the points system.

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Are you saying the points system is flawed ? And as Jok is saying needs to be changed
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Don.. I don't have a problem with it but they do.

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Conjecture, this coming from the man who started the whole "I just noticed" thread. How did that turn out, never heard of anyone getting busted. I don't know any of them but it would take an idiot to not be able to see what happened, no emotion from me as I mentioned other than someone got robbed whom I don't know. Chances of it not happening the way it was stated are about the same as my healthcare plan being cheaper next year.

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have you called them to get the rest of the story? or people just guessing ?

Bernie Romero in Denver is your first choice
ask him what happened
by the way i did not start this thread> Charley Downing 3548 STK started this

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oic

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I was on the starting line watching this whole deal it was not a lay down> were you there ? Not getting personal just wanted to know facts not emotion. by the way i did not start this thread> Charley Downing 3548 STK started this

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I'm not at all emotional about this Mr Kennedy, I do not know skillman, Downey or lamb. Throw out all the other runs in question and go back to the one that he and lambeck didn't even do a burnout, think about that kinda reminds me of the Monday night football thing on espn. Come On Man!

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I know nothing about The lambeck deal . I do know about the other two runs though , they were not a lay down> case closed

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I have never posted on this or any forum before. However I felt it nessesary to share a story about Justin Lamb. I don't know Justin personally only casually talked to him to say hi in the staging lanes etc. Two years ago at the Sonoma points race Justin raced my friend and engine customer Gary Williams. We had been having trouble with the Comet shutting off for no reason ( We later found the crank trigger pickup to be faulty) As luck would have it, the Comet shut off coming out of the water. Justin had completed his burnout and saw Gary's brother Bill and I looking under the hood trying to figure out what was wrong. Justin rolled the window down and said he would wait for us to try to fix it. The starter told him to stage and he shut the motor off and said he wanted to race of any way possible. We stare fixed it for a while and decided we couldn't make it run. We told Justin to take the single, pushed the Comet away and called it a day. I will never forget what a class move that was from a racer that we didn't know hardly at all. I felt with all that has been said on this thread I should share this story. Great job and great season Justin!

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What does Charlie hitting a dragster have to do with this? Did that effect the outcome? Just curious as to what exactly you are referring to.

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I try to not get sucked into the drama of keyboard racing however; I was embarrassed by the negativity of this thread. I’m not sure of all the details of what happened? What I know is Justin has earned more points than the other 1000 plus racers in Stock Eliminator. If I’m not mistaken, I believe he has also won a national event in 4 or maybe 5 different classes (Stk, SS, Super Gas, Super Comp) Plus a division championship or two, It was just a matter of time before he won a national championship. With that being said I would think these past accomplishments speak for themselves.


From the Swinehart family to the Lamb Family…… Congrats


Jared Swinehart

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That being said how many races did young Mr Skillman win??????????????????????
Admit it your defense is based on a bias of friendship and not simple logic.

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really good point...

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What freakin' facts?

I see a bunch of accusations but not a single fact!

fact: a thing that is indisputably the case.

accusation: a charge of wrongdoing not necessarily based on proof.

Anyone openly questioning the integrity of Larry Gilley or the Lambecks is someone who has not a single clue who these folks are and the way they race. I can tell as a matter of fact from personal experience that Larry Gilley would lay down for no one! And the reputation of the Lambecks is beyond reproach.

Based on your statements in earlier post, you obviously have some deep rooted resentment against the West Coast that are not based in reality!

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Skillman won 4 and Lamb won three.

Skillman had to take a 2nd rounder while Lamb didn't take anything less than a 3rd round.

All of Skillman's wins counted for 105 points while Lamb's Denver national win only counted for 95 points.

So I guess you're not exactly using logic either.

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Has anyone asked Mr Lambeck about it? His car could have had a problem keeping him from making a good run, and told Mr Lamb to not take a chance on throwing a round away. I would have done the same thing insead of a guy going red against me when I could not come back. Has anybody asked?

I have a hard time believing all this.