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He's back Alan. LOL

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He's a legend.......in his own mind.

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OK lets start with you've set up gears "for many years in your former chevelle"...so since you've claimed to make all these runs that equals 1 gear for the chevelle, since you've made it clear you simply cannot wear out or break a gear. Next the firebird looks like 2 for it, so a grand total of 3 gears. Now I NEVER claimed you cannot run an aluminum spool in these cars I SAID i run one in my own car, I said Mark Williams did NOT RECOMMEND IT! And I stated the reason they (MARK WILLIAMS) gave....reduced gear life, since the aluminum spool costs more what possible reason would they have for making this statement? So maybe reading or understanding English isn't your strong suit. I never inferred you were lying merely stated that your claim is unbelievable to me, being as you're the 1 and only person in nearly 30 years that's ever made such a claim. Could be your experience is simply not typical, as pretty much everyone that responded has not had a similar one. However at this point I'll have to simply ignore any further posts made by you on this subject as you have proven you know all and every thing you have is absolutely amazingly fast and durable.

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Alan, tell me/us where I can find the data/field test/results from the API as well the OEM specifically as it relates to using these oils and lubricants in drag racing engines, transmissions, rears and cars!

Being able to perform sucessfully simple arithmetic must not be a requirement for admission into the gm "college" or a prerequisite to earning your degree as a "master technician". :rolleyes:

I've stated in this thread that I typically got 200 passes on a set of gears in my former chevelle which btw, I'm told is about 100 more than a similar weight B/SA Stocker with a 12 bolt. I've also stated that I typically make 250 passes a season so one with a 3rd grade education could conclude that I changed the gears in my chevelle every season and I raced that car for 17 years but I only started doing them in '97 IIRC, after discovering they were broken after parking for the bracket finals. The Firebird is on it's 2nd set of gear since I have own it which btw, as of the last day of this season has over 200 passes on them!

You absolutely infered I was lying!

As to what you said Mark Williams doesn't recommend, again a legal disclaimer as with most if not all racing parts and again noted stock/super stock chassis builders have and continue to install aluminum spools in cars weighing in excess of 2800 lb.s without issue or concern.

As for my truth and facts that you refuse to believe, call unbelieveable and refer to as a claim, how many of all those you've discussed this issue with over 30 years:rolleyes:(btw, how old are you) were bracket racers, a bracket racer who makes at least 250 passes a season and a bracket racer that ran/runs a MW "Pro Stock" 3rd member with an aluminum spool in a state of the art super stock car weighing at least 3100+ lbs.?

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How come every time 1320Racer posts, it turns into a "**** Show" and the thread becomes useless?...I was interested in this thread. Is it worth it to run a "Pro Stock" third members over "standard" type third members? what would be the average et gain, if that can be measured.

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I don't know, maybe it's because some here think that because they race stock/super stock they are smarter and more experienced than bracket racers no mind this bracket racer who runs a top shelf program and makes more passes every season than most stock/super stock racers.

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Now--- back to the original question-- Are synthetics any quicker or slower than other forms of rear gear lubes----- Do not care about gear life only results alsio I do not care about your technical expertise or lack of expertise WHAT WERE THE RESULTS ----Are they faster or slower and if so what were your results --Did you pick up or slow down??--Your experience please--No guesses or I think answers ONLYconcrete back to back results please!!!--Thank you FED387

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FED 387, please don't hold your breath on any actual reply from mr.1320 he has done everything BUT answer the question. Maybe when he's done blowing smoke up every ones wassu about how fast, reliable, and consistent his ride is.... Wait a moment, now it's 200 passes....well that's a bit less than 700 isn't it? BTW a recomendation from Mark Williams IS NOT A LEGAL DISCLAIMER.

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post #2...

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HERE:
This should help everyone clam down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUKMUZ4tlJg

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Due to the usual bickering that has evolved on this subject, I have not commented on this subject.

Nevertheless, in the engineering arena, analysis is based on Mohr's Law and for the proper lubricant selection, considerations are made on factors such as fatigue loading, friction, heat, corrosion resistance, kinematic problems, material properties, machining properties, machining tolerances, assembly and use.

Therefore, most times, you have to arrive to a compromise with a lubricant solution that works based on recommendation and experience by either the vendor or a user. There is not a "Snake Oil" that meets all requirements and every manufacturer claims that "theirs is better or bigger" than the competition.

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How do you come back after being banned? The other "Ed" was banned and never heard from again???? Just a question.

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The 4.88 gears in our 69 Camaro, running in A/SA and CC/SA, as a 427/425/435 (3650# minimum at A/SA) typically last about 4 years, which is about 400-600 passes. I took a set out that looked perfect after 4 years, put in a 5.00 gear, and it went about 150 passes before the heat treat apparently failed, since the gear pretty much fell apart, mostly on the coast side.

So if you're getting 200 passes out of yours, I'll stick with what I'm doing and getting about twice the gear life out of everything but that one set of 5.00 gears.

Hey, Kenny, sorry about the bandwidth, but I found that the genius bragging about knowing more than me while getting half the life out of a set of gears that I do was just too funny.

For the original post, yes, there can be power in synthetics, or at least ET and MPH. However, in the case of motor oil, it requires a ton of testing. You need to know what viscosity your engine requires due to the clearances and the oil pump, and you need to know what base oil and additive package makes your ring package happy.

You could find a synthetic of a light viscosity that makes the engine real happy with regard to friction, oil flow, and pressure, but makes the ring package and cylinder wall finish very unhappy, and you may actually slow down. You need to talk to your builder and find out what the actual minimum viscosity for your engine is, and he should also know what makes the rings work.

Some people have found that certain automatic transmissions and torque converters really like a synthetic hydraulic oil made for agricultural tractors. But your converter and transmission might hate it.

I do not know anyone who has tried the API GL-6 and half quart or so extra that Jimmy Bridges suggests who slowed down, or lost a gear. I wish I had gotten around to trying it with the 5.00 gear, it might have saved a gear that appears to have been weak.

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1. when I talk, it's about MY cars I don't refer to them as "our" car. So is this camaro you refer to YOUR car that YOU own and drive or not? Further, when I refer to MY cars, I don't make vague statements like "about 4-6 years and about 400-600 passes", I know exactly the duration of time and the number of runs and one would think that a claimed vastly more knowledgeable class racer would keep a log and too know EXACTLY the number of runs on every component.

2. By your lack of reference I'll take it that there is no data/field test/results from the API as well the OEM specifically as it relates to using these oils and lubricants in drag racing engines, transmissions, rears and cars!

3. 200 passes in the stock 1968 12 bolt under a 3880 lb. Chevelle that launched wheels up every pass, running as quick as 9.72 and 60 footing low 1.30s and a best of 1.28!

http://classracer.com/classforum/pic...pictureid=5257

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbKYio6OvKM"]THE PROOF IS IN THE PERFORMANCE - YouTube[/ame]

3. if your replies in this thread is an example of your knowledge than without question I have more ON THE TRACK experience than you!

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If you were half as great as you think you are, you'd be world champ in every class. But alas, you're just a world class blowhard.

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Does this forum have an "ignore" feature???:rolleyes:

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I never claimed to be "great" but I am knowledgable and experienced on the topics I reply, offering 1st hand advice and opinion.
becoming a world champ has nothing to do with one's mechanical ability and/or knowledge of the mechanical components in the cars they drive!

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and then attack and belittle anyone who disagrees with you, with a fair amount of bragging along the way.

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"becoming a world champ has nothing to do with one's mechanical ability and/or knowledge of the mechanical components in the cars they drive!" Ed Bigley

More than likely it does.
What about setting records?
What about when the race turns heads up, something you would know nothing about.




I have a question,
Being your mechanical abilities run so deep, and your on track experiance and all, and twenty years of racing this 68 Chevelle above in negative 1000 feet air, how did THIS put 8 tenths on your junk in 50 passes total in 615 feet air?:eek:

1.283
3.74
5.86 115.7
9.29
142.24
Documented production oval port big block
And I might add, this year I would bet it will be right there with your 522 inch SS/GT car, and faster pound for pound.

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You would do well heed your admonition to me.

Your 22 years experience racing your Chevelle and your Firebird could have been well spent developing wisdom and interpersonal values rather than just an ego. Your impact on other people through relationship is far more valuable than any perceived success in the race world. Your great knowledge and experience is wasted because so few people will listen to you with any credibility. People simply don't give credence to somebody who consistently is demeaning, combative and disrespectful in their attitude toward them.

And this has become the topic of this thread.

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No, as a matter of fact, I don't own it or drive it.

Me? I'm just the engine builder, transmission builder, rear end builder, and crew chief.

Of course, it doesn't hurt that we won class 3 years in a row at the Bowling Green National Open, two years in a row at the St. Louis National Event, were runner up in Stock at St. Louis in 2010 (I was the engine and transmission builder, as well as crew on the Super Gas winner there that year as well), and the 2010 Bowling Green Stock/Super Stock Combo champions in 2010 as well.

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You guys will argue over the most petty things.......and ya know what I like about Ed ( and I'm not a nut swinger ).............. it's the wake of controversial entertainment that's a quarter mile long where ever he plants his feet.
Regardless . Ed you better behave...........or you're going right back in the penalty box.

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Most definately......look at NHRA's Pro classes and tell me how many Glidden , Johnson , Iaconio's and Sheppards are left.
One of the reasons I have no respect for todays drivers.
Yeah , Ed's abrasive as hell some times , just keep thickening the epidermis and you'll be fine.

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This may or not be of interest: http://www.enginelabs.com/engine-tec...e-differences/

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actually Joe, I was refering to sportsman racers, some of which argubaly the best of the best.

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either way.......

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Joe, check you pms

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Just a question about oils/lubricants, is Slick 50 still around or are they gone like Split Fire plugs. John Kissel

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don't know if it's still on shelves but what I can tell you is back in 1986, I bought a new indy pace car, convertible corvette for my wife. She drove the same route to and from work every day. After a few months, I tried slick 50 and her mileage was immediately better by over 1 MPG.

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Very well said.

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my knowledge and experience is NOT wasted and infact often sought by those that know me and race with me. It's only those few on internet forums, whos ego and thin skin won't allow them to open their eyes and ears to someone that just might be more knowledgeable and have more on track experience than them. Respect is a two way street and when I offer advice and another poster counters my advice on the premise they know better, or I can't possiblely know because I'm a dumb bracket racers and/or calls or infers me to be a liar, expect I will respond accordingly.

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OK last time I did not infer you are lying,I merely stated I found it "unbelievable". Folks claim to see bigfoot, loch ness moster and aliens too. I find their statements to be unbelievable, though I cannot personally disprove them, without actual proof I CHOSE to not believe them. Thankfully we still have that right.

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I feel sorry for anyone that clicked on this thread hoping to learn if synthetic lubricants provided any performance gains

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synthetic motor oil, in back to back tests are .03 quicker for us, but have no back to back tests on the ring gear.

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When we first started using synthetic oil in engines ,we determined that it was less likely to cause detonation compared to hydrocarbon -[Dinosaur} oils,So some of the engines that were marginal on oil control picked up more power than those with good oil control.Bill C.

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I know this question is kind of off topic from the OP's question but I would like to get some more input on this item. I have ran aluminum spools for several years with no problems at 3000 lbs. I am assuming that the reason it is hard on gears with the heavier weight is that the spool can flex enough to change the contact pattern on the gear? I am changing combos this year and will now have to weigh 3400lbs and wondering if it would be better to switch back to a steel spool? What would be better gear life or accelerating the steel spool? How many runs before the gear starts to go away with the aluminum spool at that weight?

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Nathan, my car doesn't weigh 3400 lbs. but you can be certain there are numerous racers in several classes and venues that run an aluminum spool at/near that weight. That said, besides weight, power and more importantly how the car works will play into R&P life. If the car doesn't dead hook, rather spins then hooks, your R&P won't last long regardless of the material your spool is made from. All I can inform you of is my 1st hand experience with my 3144 lb car that 60 foots low 1.20 to high 1 teens that got north of 700 passes with an aluminum spooled MW Pro Stock 3rd member.

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Jeff for certain there is one synthetic gear oil that is faster that would be the Joe Gibbs Qualifier gear oil we swear by it and have track tested it back to back over Royal Purple 75w90 in all 4 of our cars the 3 stockers and my 65 SS car we carry it in stock

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Alex, do you run it all the time?

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YES I do Ed in my black 65 SS car with an aluminum spool it eats a ring and pinion a year which we attribute to the inherent poor design of the chebbie 12 bolt and the really bad tooth ratio of the 6.14 gears my 6.20 9 inch gears would last 1500 runs easy but the chebbie is at least.005 quicker