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Another email lol...

"Thanks for your mail,i have made the additional payment of $1000 okay i will be waiting for you to complete the transaction today once you are done with the transfer email the details to PayPal through the confirmation you receive from them so that they can credit the whole money into your account with out delay okay i will be waiting to read back from you soon...
Cheers."

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What are you actually doing? Have you gotten this guy to bite? Please keep us posted. This is interesting.

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He has already bitten by agreeing to my ridiculous demands lol. I'm just stringing him along wasting his time/effort and passing his fraudulent emails to Paypal each time. Who knows, maybe they can actually catch the idiot. Yeah, I have nothing better to do today haha! :p Come on guys, help me get creative with this boob...

Edit: Oh, oh...got a brilliant idea! Standby....

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I wonder if this guy is using different names for emails.

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Just sent him this email...let's see what he does haha!

"I have a like new turbocharger that used to be on this bike if you would like to consider it in the purchase. It was custom made for me and ups the horsepower level to 230hp. For an additional $2500 I will install it on the bike before delivery."

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Oh Boy! Man you have guts.

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Nah, just bored lol. Bet you had no idea the turn this thread would take haha! If he agrees to the latest bait just wait until you see the next lol! :D

I may be old, but I aint afflicted yet. :p

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This thing started because I wanted to sell a part on racing junk. I wonder if this is the same guy under a different name?

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Did your guy use the same ploy?

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The guy just agreed to the price and wanted my PayPal info. I called PayPal and they said never give them anything. If they have a PayPal account they can purchase the item. The guy asked again, I said no and that he should give me his address and info and I will ship the item out when money was secure. Never heard back after that.

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Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but you would have to give him your paypal address in order for him to pay for the item. If it were on a site such as ebay it is handled thru ebay, but sites such as RaceJunk have no such provision...it's just like buying/selling on any open forum. You need to understand there are just as many idiots working for Paypal as there are trying to scam you lol. If what you say is fact I believe your guy was legit and you just missed a sale...he had nowhere to send funds without your paypal address which only you could provide.

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No, you have it right. The kicker for me or red flag was that he would send his "agent " to get the item that he was to buy, and to forget the shipping and shipping charge. The shipping was included in the price of the item and he didn't haggle the price. Plus he didn't want to give me any of his information for shipping. I DON'T THINK SO! Lol

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I have had the exact wording in many text messages about the truck I have for sale on racingjunk. The difference being they would use a different name and different phone numbers each time. Two times the number came out of Maryland and two time out of Michigan. I could not call or text the number back and get an answer. The last time it happened I responded by telling them I contacted the FCC and FBI and have not had a problem since. I hope you nail the persons that are doing this.

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That is kind of odd, but if he did not want any money transferred I don't see how it might have been a scam. You would have still had the item and his money would be in your account...unless he put some type of hold on it thru a false paypal site such as I have experienced. If the money is in your account verified by the authentic paypal site it is legit.

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He wanted account info. I was not willing to give it. The word agent and no shipping I found odd. If it was a car or something and he wanted to pick it up maybe I would have gone a bit further. Not an item that could be shipped. But no contact info from him. {Scammer }

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OMFG...this is seriously the funniest thing I have ever read... http://postarchives.entensity.net/040105/scam.htm

I can hardly catch my breath or see thru the tears from laughing.

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Oh shucks...does this mean the fun is over? His email reply...

"Thanks am okay i dont need it pls just try to get the agent fee across to y agent okay"

I'm still thinking of a reply. :D

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My reply...

"I understand completely. By any chance could I interest you in a petite white female child 10 years of age? I have five daughters and really need to wean some out of the house. For an additional $200 I will gladly throw her in and provide secure packaging."

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Looked like the scammer got scammed.

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That's pretty funny. Not sure if that was for me or not, but the wife and I have five kids all grown up, and out . Three of them married. (Empty Nesters) we are.

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I do so hope he responds...I have the next round all worked out lol. :p

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I have sold a lot on racing junk with no problems. I always ask for money order or bank check and wait for it to clear.

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For some good laughs and potential future replies with your "scammer" look at www.419eater.com

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With no further contact from the party I can only assume he declined my offer to throw in a small child. :p

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Haha. that was a good one.

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I am selling one of my cars on craigslist and got this today, (they seem to be getting better at it), I hate scammers!


Hello,

I got your response. Well, I have read through your ad and from what I have seen,it is priced favorably compared to others so I want you to consider it sold to me because I am ready to buy it for the asking price.I am Tech Sgt Elizabeth Lawrence currently on duty serving the country.

Presently I am out of town on duty in a remote area . We have a bad and fluctuating network here otherwise I would have called you and seal the deal on phone. At the moment, email and text messages works best for me.

Nevertheless,I am ready to seal the deal right away and pay you via my PayPal account that is attached to my bank account as it is the only secure form of payment that I have access to right now. So,kindly get back to me with your FULL
NAME,PAYPAL EMAIL ADDRESS,PHONE NUMBER so that I can initiate the payment immediately.If you don't have a paypal account, it is absolutely free to set one up, kindly visit www.paypal.com. A shipper will be hired that will come for the pick up upon the completion of the payment aspect of the transaction.Let me have the requested details to proceed with the payment if we have a deal. TY

Sincerely,

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So this would be a good sale for you? All was legit??

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That looks totally legit Keith. What part of it bothers you? This is exactly how it is done and what I would expect be it buying or selling.

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It sure is a wonderful world we live in today. I feel sorry for our children and grandchildren who will have to deal with this BS through their lives. I am 61 years young and remember doing deals with a handshake and sleeping good the night of the deal or sale. Today it is just a nightmare from beginning to end trying to figure out how the people you deal with are trying to screw you. That is why lawyers will rule the world.:(

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I agree. The hand shake means nothing today. How sad is that. Same with me Knocking on 60yrs door, and that's how I did it.

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The BS is getting thicker and thicker, but it still has that "foreign" sound to it..a dead giveaway.

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Even if they are deployed. They can still make phone calls when they are on a base and not out on a mission. My kid called home at least once a week during both his deployments and emailed daily when not out. Give Elisabeth your phone number, explain your concerns and ask her to call you (when she can get to a usable phone) to make sure everything is on the up and up before she does the paypal payment. If she refuses or says she cannot do that you will know its a scam. My kid bought a car while he was still in Afghanistan. That seller thought it was a scam too. Right up untill I showed up with a truck and trailer to pick it up he was trying to figure out what the scam was. LOL. Not saying this is NOT a scam but it could be legit. Once you talk to her you should have a better idea.

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Don't give him/ her ? anything..SCAM!
Strip away the Service BS ,, it's all the same basic MO... I see it every day on C/L

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I don't understand what it is that makes you guys think scam right off the bat. So you send them your paypal email address...what do you think they are going to do with it? Truth is there is nothing they can do but send you money...Paypal has multiple safeguards in place and they are liable more so than the client in most cases. This is the reason I lost no sleep after sending my idiot scammer my paypal address. All he was able to do was send a spoof paypal email which is easily identifiable and does not involve the legit Paypal account. You will get instant email confirmation of any transaction concerning your legit account. Once you see a legitimate transfer of funds to your account there is no scam that can undo it.

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Hey Guys. When I first started this saga, I was concerned because the person asking about the item would not give me any shipping info or any thing about himself. The price was not negotiated either, and he did not want the item shipped, An agent of his was picking up the item. That sounded strange to me. Shipping was included in the price of the item in question. So why pay someone to pick this small item up??? (RED FLAG):confused:

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I would say yours is a scam by looking at it. But the one with the deployed Airman could go either way at this point. When I get done working tonite. I will try and type out the whole saga of the deal with this car my kid bought. The begining sounds alot like the one with the deployed airman. And I can assure you I am NO scammer.

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I hear what your saying. How in the world can we protect ourselves? I use PayPal for everything I buy, racing junk & eBay. I have never sold things using PayPal.

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That is not exactly TRUE.
I have two friends who have lost their parts via paypal.
When the buyer pays with a credit card picks up the parts or has them shipped then reverses the charges or says it was a stolen number on the credit card Paypal goes back to the seller and takes the payment back from the seller.
Like I said two close friends have had this happen.

Also one has had a box of rocks sent back as return of parts with paperwork showing he shipped the parts which were just rocks replacing the original parts and Paypal refunded the money to the buyer also. Another type of scam.

My first tell on a scam is when they want to send an agent to pickup parts or whatever item you are selling. I would never let that happen. Never give anything to someone's agent.

Craig's List seems to draw more scammers than any other listing.
I listed a trailer on Craig's list in three different larger cities near my location.
Exact same ad and one scammer responded with the same message in two different cities with a different name in each but the other information was exactly the same.
He must have been trying to scam to many people to even remember what he responded to.
Just My 2 Cents.
Rick Cates

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Exactly, now they're using the serviceman idea to gain more trust. It stinks just like mine did. I would'nt give them any info. They can send a bank check, have a family member do it, etc. A phone call is not hard for them to do, if you feel its legit, tell them you'll wait until they can call, then hammer out the details...you'll never get a call.
After they put the money in your account, they'll "ship" your item out of the country, then send a dispute in with Paypal for item not as described, your left without the item and no way to get it back.....

Wade

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I've sold many parts and many vehicles on ebay without problems. In the case of selling vehicles or high dollar amount items it is standard practice to require a non-refundable deposit of say $500 up front via Paypal...the balance is usually handled by cash upon pick-up or a bank to bank wire transfer. I myself have never accepted any amount over $500 via Paypal for goods.

As far as this "agent" business goes, I tend to believe it may be just a play on words. In all cases but one when I have sold motorcycles thru ebay the buyer arranged pick-up via a transport company they have hired...this after all funds are cleared and in my bank account. I have done the exact same as a buyer in these cases. On the ebay site you are at least able to determine the "quality" of whomever you are dealing with by total feedback from prior transactions...other sites you are mostly running blind.

In this latest scenario I would accept a non-refundable deposit via Paypal and instruct the buyer to provide the balance via bank to bank wire transfer. No scammer is going to work thru those restrictions and you have the funds in hand before any title/merchandise passes hands. Who cares who picks up the item once you have your money in hand? One other item to note...I always send the title via registered mail to the buyer after funds have cleared, never with the transporter or vehicle.

I think sites like Craigslist or forums serve a small purpose, but I would not use them for any high dollar amount items...sites such as ebay have so many more layers of protection for the seller and buyer alike. I suppose those other venues are fine for local use where one is able to travel to see merchandise first hand. Keep in mind there are many buyers AND sellers who are not savvy to the processes involved...don't automatically write them off as scam. It doesnt take long to filter those out using common sense.