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Dan Fahey 02-12-2014 05:38 PM

Re: Project Pure Stock Debut
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KennyAnderson (Post 420379)
This is a 93 with OBD1 and a no E 4L60. The tranny has no electronic controls. It uses a governor like a TH350 etc. I'm hoping the manual VB feature of this shift kit fixes it. I like the idea of leaving it in drive but it seems to shift inconsistently and late. The reason I say this converter could be tighter is simply cause with the 3 sumptin low gear and 4.10's it really revs fast in 1st and goes thru the power band quick. I'm seat of the pants guessing but the power band seems to be around 4500-5500.

Got headers today too! Woohoo! Long story short, I'm whittling away at it and the car responded a ton to everything I've done. .5 under shouldnt be much trouble.

Install a Bullet Blueprint cam you will be fine....and very happy !!
Regarding 3.08 first gear on the 4L60.
On a heavy car like mine it just the ticket.

The factory cam power range, yup you are correct.. !!

d

KennyAnderson 02-12-2014 06:32 PM

Re: Project Pure Stock Debut
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 420388)
If the rules allowed a different ratio trans it would be much more managble. That much low gear in a light car will keep you busy adjusting it. Mine was like a tractor. Spinning the tires or standing straight up. :-) The big RPM drops at shifts don't help anything.
Think tech would notice a metric 200? LOL

I was thinking a TH350 with a 4L60E tranny pan welded on the bottom! LOL! ;););)

Ed Wright 02-12-2014 09:24 PM

Re: Project Pure Stock Debut
 
Does the Bullet "blueprint" cam keep factory duration? Is that even published? If it has more duration your RPM range will be higher. On-track testing I have done with both my bone stock virgin LT1 Camaro & TA (not even headers that would effect it) showed quickest ETs (with proper tuning) shifting it at 6000 RPM. I'm not sure what you are seeing on an chassis dyno sheet that tells you the needed stall speed. You do realize, that with an automatic car running a loose converter, the numbers are skewed (out of sync with the torque numbers), right?

Ed Wright 02-12-2014 09:30 PM

Re: Project Pure Stock Debut
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KennyAnderson (Post 420403)
I was thinking a TH350 with a 4L60E tranny pan welded on the bottom! LOL! ;););)

Yeah, a Pro Trans. LOL

Dan Fahey 02-14-2014 02:46 AM

Re: Project Pure Stock Debut
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 420431)
Does the Bullet "blueprint" cam keep factory duration? Is that even published? If it has more duration your RPM range will be higher. On-track testing I have done with both my bone stock virgin LT1 Camaro & TA (not even headers that would effect it) showed quickest ETs (with proper tuning) shifting it at 6000 RPM. I'm not sure what you are seeing on an chassis dyno sheet that tells you the needed stall speed. You do realize, that with an automatic car running a loose converter, the numbers are skewed (out of sync with the torque numbers), right?

Yes it is published.

The engine was dynoed by Jeff Warren after he built it.
Btw where do you have a dyno?

D

Ed Wright 02-14-2014 09:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey (Post 420581)
Yes it is published.

The engine was dynoed by Jeff Warren after he built it.
Btw where do you have a dyno?

D

What duration does the published spec show?

The chassis dyno in my shop for fifteen years. I now dyno my SS engine on engine dynos at either Patterson Racing Engines or Morton's Machine.

Dan Fahey 02-14-2014 01:39 PM

Re: Project Pure Stock Debut
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 420594)
What duration does the published spec show?

The chassis dyno in my shop for fifteen years. I now dyno my SS engine on engine dynos at either Patterson Racing Engines or Morton's Machine.

Bullet Cams calls Mike Baker to confirm Duration.
Mine was easy because the NHRA/IHRA uses the F-Body Cam specs for B and F Body LT1s.

Where is Patterson and Morton?

D

Ed Wright 02-14-2014 03:39 PM

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Patterson Racing Engines is in Augusta Kansas (Edge of Witchita, about three hours drive)
http://www.pattersonracing.com/

Stanley Morton has a smaller shop. He is in Broken Arrow, OK, about half an hour drive. Patterson's dyno set up has eight wide bands, Stanley's does not. Depends on what I need to do. Patterson builds Stock, SS and Comp engines mostly. Stanly builds Pro Mod and Top Sportsman stuff, also the best crank shaft guy I know.

Known both Stanley Morton and Allan Patterson for about forty years. They both also do machine work for me.

KennyAnderson 02-18-2014 01:23 PM

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Mornin Ed, can you post or pm me your contact info. Its time to get a chip in this thing.

Ed Wright 02-18-2014 01:28 PM

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Pm sent

Dan Fahey 02-18-2014 05:22 PM

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Hey Kenny:
Going to come see you all at Bradenton.
Just scheduled the Trip on the Auto Train.
Sanford is about 2.5 hours from Bradenton.

Maria and Christina are flying in on Saturday that weekend.
Will be there for about a week and head back on following Sunday.
Will take the train and they will fly back.

Venture to say I am the first racer to use the Auto Train to go racing.
Cost for round trip will be $909.00

Dan

KennyAnderson 02-19-2014 08:37 AM

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Very nice Dan. Cant wait for that race. We are gearing up to go to Jackson, SC next week. Got a ton of work to do and hope to test next wed. Did you find a hotel for Bradenton yet?

Dan Fahey 02-19-2014 03:33 PM

Re: Project Pure Stock Debut
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KennyAnderson (Post 421221)
Very nice Dan. Cant wait for that race. We are gearing up to go to Jackson, SC next week. Got a ton of work to do and hope to test next wed. Did you find a hotel for Bradenton yet?

YEAH looked on the Bradenton MS Website.
Need to select one

Maria has us in Kissimmee later on in the week

D

KennyAnderson 03-03-2014 11:43 AM

Re: Project Pure Stock Debut-UPDATE
 
WHEW! Just got home from Jackson SC this am. It was a LOONNGGGG Day. Up at 7am, raced all day, finally left the track @ 5pm and got home bout 1:15am! Not to mention the all week thrash to get ready. Put on headers/muffs and got rid of the stock mani's. Gutted everything under the pass side dash. Installed a new chip from Ed Wright (THANKS ED!). Ironically the chip I got with the car was from Ed also. The car picked up pretty good and better yet is waayy more consistent. I tested last wed and went new bests of 12.87 @ 103 and 8.12 @ 82 here is not so great conditions. I did have the extra weight for D out but decided last minute to put it back for Jackson. GOOD THING! LOL! Corbin Mashburn (hope I didn't butcher it) was there in C/PS and his car flat out FLY'S! At legal D/PS weight (3635) I ran a new best up there of 8.11 at 82 and change. Struggled with the tree but did manage to go some rounds on Sunday. All in all I'm very happy with the performance of our lil project and its been a blast meeting many of our new stock elim buds. Now its COFFEE time! LOL!

Daran Summerton 03-03-2014 12:25 PM

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I was cheering for ya! Great weekend even with some minor problems had alot of fun and Dad got in the $ with his pure stocker --- See ya in Bradenton

Tar Heel 03-03-2014 01:05 PM

Re: Project Pure Stock Debut-UPDATE
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KennyAnderson (Post 422813)
WHEW! Just got home from Jackson SC this am. It was a LOONNGGGG Day. Up at 7am, raced all day, finally left the track @ 5pm and got home bout 1:15am! Not to mention the all week thrash to get ready. Put on headers/muffs and got rid of the stock mani's. Gutted everything under the pass side dash. Installed a new chip from Ed Wright (THANKS ED!). Ironically the chip I got with the car was from Ed also. The car picked up pretty good and better yet is waayy more consistent. I tested last wed and went new bests of 12.87 @ 103 and 8.12 @ 82 here is not so great conditions. I did have the extra weight for D out but decided last minute to put it back for Jackson. GOOD THING! LOL! Corbin Mashburn (hope I didn't butcher it) was there in C/PS and his car flat out FLY'S! At legal D/PS weight (3635) I ran a new best up there of 8.11 at 82 and change. Struggled with the tree but did manage to go some rounds on Sunday. All in all I'm very happy with the performance of our lil project and its been a blast meeting many of our new stock elim buds. Now its COFFEE time! LOL!

How fast was Corbitt (Marshburn) running in C? That Camaro really hadn't had that much stuff done to it when he got it but I don't know if he let Jeff Warren work on it this winter. That tends to make them a tad faster ... :D

KennyAnderson 03-03-2014 01:24 PM

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"9 996 C/PS 93 CAMARO Z28 350 CHEVY CORBITT MARSHBURN CLINTON NC 7.358 8.30 -0.942"

Like I said, FLYING!!

Daran Tina kicked my butt!! I just about wanted to shoot myself. The two runs before than one were -.011 and -.015 so I figgered I would lay off just a tad......OOPS!! LOL! Congrats to Dad. I ran another P/S bro third round Sunday. Ray Grice. I was .007 round two so I think you know where this is going. I really wasn't trying to lay off that one I just plain missed it. DOH! See you guys in Bradenton!

Michael Beard 03-03-2014 01:27 PM

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Snagged a screenshot from this weekend for ya. Thought you and Dan Fahey would appreciate it.

Pure Stockers side by side, "rookie" El Diablo vs veteran Ray Grice!

http://www.staginglight.com/photos/pure_stock.jpg

black88coupe 03-03-2014 01:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Beard (Post 422830)
Snagged a screenshot from this weekend for ya. Thought you and Dan Fahey would appreciate it.

Pure Stockers side by side, "rookie" El Diablo vs veteran Ray Grice!

Great pic. Can't wait to come to Columbus in May and watch you guys run.

black88coupe 03-03-2014 01:44 PM

Re: Project Pure Stock Debut-UPDATE
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KennyAnderson (Post 422813)
WHEW! Just got home from Jackson SC this am. It was a LOONNGGGG Day. Up at 7am, raced all day, finally left the track @ 5pm and got home bout 1:15am! Not to mention the all week thrash to get ready. Put on headers/muffs and got rid of the stock mani's. Gutted everything under the pass side dash. Installed a new chip from Ed Wright (THANKS ED!). Ironically the chip I got with the car was from Ed also. The car picked up pretty good and better yet is waayy more consistent. I tested last wed and went new bests of 12.87 @ 103 and 8.12 @ 82 here is not so great conditions. I did have the extra weight for D out but decided last minute to put it back for Jackson. GOOD THING! LOL! Corbin Mashburn (hope I didn't butcher it) was there in C/PS and his car flat out FLY'S! At legal D/PS weight (3635) I ran a new best up there of 8.11 at 82 and change. Struggled with the tree but did manage to go some rounds on Sunday. All in all I'm very happy with the performance of our lil project and its been a blast meeting many of our new stock elim buds. Now its COFFEE time! LOL!

Sounds like fun.

gbur 03-03-2014 02:01 PM

Re: Project Pure Stock Debut-UPDATE
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KennyAnderson (Post 422813)
WHEW! Just got home from Jackson SC this am. It was a LOONNGGGG Day. Up at 7am, raced all day, finally left the track @ 5pm and got home bout 1:15am! Not to mention the all week thrash to get ready. Put on headers/muffs and got rid of the stock mani's. Gutted everything under the pass side dash. Installed a new chip from Ed Wright (THANKS ED!). Ironically the chip I got with the car was from Ed also. The car picked up pretty good and better yet is waayy more consistent. I tested last wed and went new bests of 12.87 @ 103 and 8.12 @ 82 here is not so great conditions. I did have the extra weight for D out but decided last minute to put it back for Jackson. GOOD THING! LOL! Corbin Mashburn (hope I didn't butcher it) was there in C/PS and his car flat out FLY'S! At legal D/PS weight (3635) I ran a new best up there of 8.11 at 82 and change. Struggled with the tree but did manage to go some rounds on Sunday. All in all I'm very happy with the performance of our lil project and its been a blast meeting many of our new stock elim buds. Now its COFFEE time! LOL!

Congrats

KennyAnderson 03-03-2014 05:37 PM

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Thanks Mitch and Gary. Great shot MB! Ironically thats just about our exact placement at the finish line also! LOL! Rookie missed the tree!

Michael Beard 03-03-2014 09:01 PM

Re: Project Pure Stock Debut
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KennyAnderson (Post 422863)
Thanks Mitch and Gary. Great shot MB! Ironically thats just about our exact placement at the finish line also! LOL! Rookie missed the tree!

It's just a screen grab from the Live Video. You can still go back and watch the whole weekend, as they archive all the video: http://motormaniatv.com/?page_id=529

GL PERF 03-05-2014 01:45 PM

Re: Project Pure Stock Debut-UPDATE
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KennyAnderson (Post 422813)
WHEW! Just got home from Jackson SC this am. It was a LOONNGGGG Day. Up at 7am, raced all day, finally left the track @ 5pm and got home bout 1:15am! Not to mention the all week thrash to get ready. Put on headers/muffs and got rid of the stock mani's. Gutted everything under the pass side dash. Installed a new chip from Ed Wright (THANKS ED!). Ironically the chip I got with the car was from Ed also. The car picked up pretty good and better yet is waayy more consistent. I tested last wed and went new bests of 12.87 @ 103 and 8.12 @ 82 here is not so great conditions. I did have the extra weight for D out but decided last minute to put it back for Jackson. GOOD THING! LOL! Corbin Mashburn (hope I didn't butcher it) was there in C/PS and his car flat out FLY'S! At legal D/PS weight (3635) I ran a new best up there of 8.11 at 82 and change. Struggled with the tree but did manage to go some rounds on Sunday. All in all I'm very happy with the performance of our lil project and its been a blast meeting many of our new stock elim buds. Now its COFFEE time! LOL!

Kenny,

it's starting to come together! Best of luck with El Diablo. You're doing an awesome job!

KennyAnderson 03-06-2014 02:15 PM

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Thanks Jerry! Its been a fun lil project and a good learning experience for both the kids and the old man. I think it will be a contender and Kenneth is dying to get behind the wheel!

Dan Fahey 03-06-2014 05:58 PM

Re: Project Pure Stock Debut
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Beard (Post 422830)
Snagged a screenshot from this weekend for ya. Thought you and Dan Fahey would appreciate it.

Pure Stockers side by side, "rookie" El Diablo vs veteran Ray Grice!

http://www.staginglight.com/photos/pure_stock.jpg

Really COOL...
Getting crowded out there..
How do you locate the Qualification List?

D


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