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Did you check one of the AMC sites? I know he is / was on them.

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Nah, if he was he'd weight 500 pounds! Jim

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maybe, but it wasn't anybody's fault but NHRA"s if ya ask me...I was just trying to play by THEIR rules.

fwiw, I don't blame J.L.....anyway, yeah, he's on one or 2 amc sites I go to, can't remember his "handle" though....superstockamx maybe?


Jeff Lee is SuperStockAMX on www.amccars.net

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Jeff can defend himself.....He entered his AMX as a SS/H in Phoenix and ran under the index. Even though he lost in the first round.....I would say that his car is strong.....If your want to pick on Jeff.....then pick on everyone else that seeks every legal advantage they can get.....including me.

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Ed, it was not from the factory it was a factory replacement part which is legal for everyone else but AMC. I'm just saying that everything should be even with everyone.

Eric Pearson

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Eric, the parts approved were Group 19 out of the catalog.That's not the same as what a car came from the factory with. I've been around AMCs since 1973 and the only cars I've seen that came from the factory for sale to the public were the 53 SS cars and as we all know the disclaimer said not for use on public highways.
I have never seen an street legal unaltered AMC car with a Holley 4 bbl.

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Just because you have never seen it doesn't mean it didn't happen, but i'm done wasting time on this as it doesn't matter. We will continue to race and still win, good luck with your bench racing.

Eric Pearson

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After 34 years of racing (and some winning) I think I'm entitled to some bench racing. BTW does a Motorcraft 1.24 ring a bell???????????????????

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Ed and by the way...it's not a 950 CFM, it a 750...again do your research before you start arguing a case! look it up!

Eric Pearson

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yeah what does that have to do with anything? I'm glad you put in so much time racing. I believe you were the one who blew up in engine from a motor my dad built cause you THOUGHT you knew what you were talking about but really didn't!!! There is a car guy right there!!! Again, why don't you ACTUALLY race instead of talking about it?

Eric Pearson

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If you want to get pissy go ahead. The guy you sold the car to ran it with a bad lifter and took about 1/4" off the lifter and killed the cam lobe. He is not the most mechanicly inclined guy.
Since you brought it up the car came to him with a bogus carb on it. I guess you have no knowledge about that huh Eric? How about the weight bar behind the bumper,which was pointed out to us by a very accomodating NHRA tech man? And the wiring job from hell. If I went with him to get the car when he picked it up I would have cracked him in the crueller when he handed over the money.
As far as I was told the carb approved was a 950CFM. I might have been wrong about that. I'll get back about it.
So like the saying goes about people in glass houses...............................

Addendum : Right out of the AMC Group 19 parts catalog
PN 448-5730-19.401 950 CFM Holey carburetor
I see no reference to a 750/780 carburetor .

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ah, Ed the weight was legally mounted and the carb was approved by NHRA thank you very much! I'm not getting pissy and I'm smarter than you think! and yes its a 750 CFM carb not 950....no need to get back to me!

Eric Pearson

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Oh and I forgot to say the car was perfectly fine when I sold it....everything was done right and legal! but you may not know about that since you never race. Have a good day!

Eric Pearson

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He is probably sick and tired of the no names jumping his case every time he posted anything. Im sure he is reading all the BS like I do. There is NO RESPECT for anyone on this site anymore like some who have posted on this thread already.

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x2. I wonder how many potential racers and sponsors see crap like this, and log off.

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Oh and I forgot to say the car was perfectly fine when I sold it....everything was done right and legal! but you may not know about that since you never race. Have a good day!

It's pointless debating someone who doesn't see the facts for what they are.
As far as the engine I didn't question the quality of the work your dad did on it.The fact is
it was run with damage to it. We found the problem and when it was disassembled the liter was eaten down and contaminated the whole interior.
I don't know what rule you interpreted when you put 100 lbs of ballast bolted to the rear bumper mounts. He was approached at Cecil Co. by Travis and told to have it removed before the next race.
As far as the car, it looked like a mish mash of parts thrown together in the middle of the night. The wiring looked like a spaghetti dinner missing the sauce.
And if NHRA tech approved that carb. well then you're a pretty good snake oil salesman.
I repeat, if I was with him when he went to buy the car I would have told him to keep his money. So go ahead and throw insults at me, I have a thick skin.

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Please take this to YB.

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Glenn, I'm only responding to accusations make by a third party with a shallow knowledge of the facts involved.Thank you for your concern.

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My dad asked me to post his response on his behalf to everything that has been said on this thread and it goes as follows:

Hi everyone, Scott Pearson here, hopefully this will end the Jeff Lee thread. Just returned from 10 weeks on the west coast racing, great people. Talked to Jeff a few times and he's a nice guy. Very friendly, very driven and said he would try to make it back out this fall. Too many family obligations this summer.
On the 79 spirit we sold to Mike, sorry to hear about the lifer but I've been there and done that. Mike made several passes in the car at -.60 under, seemed happy and bought it.
When we bought the car and got DQ'd for the carb. They told us to bring the correct one to the tech trailer at the next race. Bob Blackwell and Bruce Bachelder both were there and said it was the correct carb for that combination. Lets race, NO SNAKE OIL!!!
Ed, sorry you didn't like Eric's wiring job, it was his first wiring job and first race car. Made him to it by himself because if dad does it, the kids don't learn. Everything worked just fine. I raise Eric to be a winner and not a whiner.
Having raced my AMX for 45 years and hanging around racing longer, I have learned one thing that we should all practice on this forum. If you don't have something good to say about some, just shut up!

Scott Pearson

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Scott,
PM on the way.

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I think they are referring to aka ROCKET BLOCK.

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I believe is time for this post to be locked or deleted.

A racer asks a question looking for some help and like many posts, it goes down the toilet.

Interesting that the make of car you guys bitch about, is a make that hardly has many cars competing when compared to other makes. Many of these discussions mirror discussions that take place in YellowBullet.

It is shame that a few in this forum use their posts for their own personal issuez with other racers, vendettas and jealousy.

Many need to grow up and use this site for positive discussions. We already have enough issues with NHRA that need to be addressed that don't get discussed and they need to be brought up.

I am just awaiting for someone to ask Michael Beard about how much money he pocketed for the race they same way they did with Alex Denysenko when he ran the first race.

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I for one truly hope he made boat loads of cash on this event (but in reality that likely isn't the case). Enough so much that hosting more of such events in the future will be a deal maker not a deal breaker for all involved. The time, effort, planning and risks are bigger than most would care to embrace. I hope Michael and crew are pleased with the results. Congratulations on a job well done.

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X's a thousand (1000) or more. I hope Michael made a bundle. Its a big risk to take. The way things are going I would expect that races like Beard's just might be your only venue in the future. Better than NHRA anyway with out the fuel cars taking up track time.

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I'm not sure how this ended up in this thread, but since the question was asked.... We did not lose money, but was it worth a year and a half's worth of work? Financially, no. We have still not determined if another one is in the cards. Our hearts say yes, but let's just say that Anthony and I are "pick-up and open trailer guys" -- not independently wealthy by any stretch of the imagination. A small swing in the car count could've been disastrous.

This event SHOULD be a no-brainer, and it deserves to exist. However, there were a large number of people who lived relatively close that did not attend for whatever reason, including many who told us that they were coming, plus we had a shocking, staggeringly low turnout from Division 1.

We are leaning toward doing it again, but due to the lack of support from some areas, if we do, we'll have to make some changes to make it a viable event.

To all those who participated -- racers, fans, and sponsors: your wide smiles, great enthusiasm, and massive enjoyment made it worthwhile!

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Its really quite entertaining to read all the posts about AMC products--who is an Ahole- the recently completed Class Nationals and everything else in the racing world over a question I had regarding Jeff Lee and his involvement in real estate inquiring for my relative about a winter "snowbird" rental property in Arizona. Don't know how it got so twisted around but really kinda humorous- Good night!!!-- FED 387

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I've known Jeff for a very long time. Probably 1980 when he lived around the corner from me. I had my I/SA 340 Cuda then and that's how we became friends. He probably has more passion for the sport as anyone I've ever met. We even built a 440 Dart together. He's kept me in the loop on these AMC parts. I've seen the factory documents and they are not Group 19 ,Ed. They are documents that call these parts out as service parts and apparently you or Billy didn't have access to those documents. You just had access to some old parts books. You also didn't have access to the letter from Chrysler to NHRA that demanded those parts be included as service parts. But you get on here as you've done so often in the past loaded with half the information and try to discredit a friend of mine. I know Jeff followed the rulebook on those parts and NHRA shot him down. It was Chrysler that got the parts approved according to the rulebook. and I know Jeff didn't want Chrysler brought into this crap so he never posted it. But it's time to tell the truth. If Jeff gets upset I'm sorry but I do know he has pretty tough skin. NHRA has never pulled approved parts before. This affected a hand full of AMC cars. But now that opens the barn door and what parts will be next? I don't know much about AMC cars but I've been around the mopars since the 1960's and there are bogus parts there to. Thankfully my days with NHRA are done.

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Neil, you just hit the nail on the head. Someone gets in touch with a buddy at Chrysler, Ford or whoever, demands that these parts be included because someone asked them to with no regard for the rules. The manufacturers really don't care what the rules are and NHRA bends over to keep the sponsorship dollars flowing.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

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NO JIM...you just hit the nail on the head....YOU just chimed in with another round of mis-information meant to discredit Jeff....He has no friends or connections with Chrysler. He did his homework and submitted his facts through Chrysler and NHRA....IF they were invalid, why were they accepted in the first place?

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Neil, ask Bruce,he I would imagine he was in on the process. How is Ed doing, I haven't heard from him in a long time.

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OK guys.
Better take what Neil said to heart.
I just happen to have a copy of the letter.
I know for a fact that there was a lot of research done.
The letter is addressed to:
NHRA Super Stock / Stock Rules Committee
Attn: Pat Cvengros, Committee Chairman
My lips are forever sealed as to how or where I got it.
And "NO" I won't post it. I'll leave that up to Chrysler or NHRA.
I'm probably already in deep D*D* for even saying I've got it & I'll probably get carved up here on the forum, But.....
FYI the first line in it is:
The following superseded parts are submitted for updates to the NHRA Technical Specifications manuals.
It has 7 lines (done in bullet point style) of parts and part numbers and different year make and model applications.
No where in there do I see any demands made by Chrysler or Jeff Lee.
Best I could read is they were "submitted".
FYI: Jeff's name is not on the letter.
As stated by Neil it does look like Chrysler made the request.
To me it's case closed.
Put this to bed and how about all you guys give Jeff a "Get Out of Jail Free" card?

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Right Adger, Chrysler/Fiat has nothing better to do than go out there for the 4 or 5 AMC racers to have them beat up on those green meanie GM and Ford people.
That bridge in Brooklyn is on sale this week.

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OK Ed,
It didn't take you long to take your first shot, you are spewing your usual cr** and I expected it. There were more respectable people involved in this than Jeff. It might be best for you to go crawl back under your rock.

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Ed
Are you now questioning Adger's reputation too?
I believe he has earned the respect in the racing industry and no one has questioned his integrity.
As a matter of fact, I have personally seen the same documents that Adger refers to and I have also kept my mouth shut.

NHRA has always played favorites on which parts they accept and do not accept.

As a matter of fact, the dreaded Cadillac/Oldsmobile engine package it was I that initially submitted it to NHRA for approval on behalf of some Oldsmobile racers. It got rejected by NHRA and their reasoning was the engine was too old!

I handed the information to another Super Stock racer and he got it approved by NHRA. A few members in this site remembered when I sent the information to NHRA and I followed the same process as many.

Again, I believe the issues with Jeff Lee out of control by a few that have a witch hunt against him. Jeff is very passionate about the sport and yes, he can be very vocal about his opinions as many are here.

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Well done Adger, well done! Jim

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You make the point exactly. NHRA will fold like a cheap suit under pressure. I have no ill will against Adger, I just disagree with the bull**** paperwork that was submitted.

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AND the way I see it Ed.....The bull#### paperwork that was submitted is none of your F###ing business..........Or are you the self proclaimed messiah of stock eliminator racing?

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No Neil.are you? Protecting your buddy,just like when Ed was busting balls.
Bogus paperwork an eternity after the fact is not very ethical.No matter though,they couldn't catch the bogus factors on the new generation cars anyway.

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books.google.com/books?isbn=1610608011

Go to this site.It's the history of AMC by Larry Mitchell, an AMC historian/collector and go to page 82. You be the judge.I would think if AMC released replacement parts approved by AMC Larry would know. Parts supposedly approved by Chrysler/Fiat in 2013 well ............