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No way !!!!!!!!!!!

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Go oval track racing,you can spin out and make the lap up. The sudden death aspect of drag racing makes you try harder.

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No way; if you lose, you go home.

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How about first and second round buybacks and you can buy a Mulligan too and use it only if you need it....and you can double enter the same car...


Like down in N.C. at some of their 1/8th mile tracks.....takes about nine-ten rounds to finish a race that had 30-40 cars to start.

You beat the same guy 3 times and lose but he wins anyway...LOL

Makes perfect sense to me.....about like World Cup Soccer......dumbest thing I ever seen....lose but by just a little so you still move on....

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In the interest of fair reporting, 40 cars with 1st AND 2nd Round buybacks plus a mulligan is still an 8-round race. Not many tracks offer mulligans (thankfully), and most tracks use either 1st "or" 2nd round buybacks or 1st round only.

Bracket events that utilize the Re-Entry style of buybacks (1st Rnd only), where buybacks race each other in a separate round, with only winners advancing to Round 2, make it so everyone has to win the same amount of rounds to win the race. Generally speaking, with this format, there has to be around 190+ cars to make it a 9-round race.

All that being said, I agree: No buybacks for S/SS racing.

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It was just an exaggeration Michael to show how ludicrous a race can become with this type of format....

I totally understand why races are run this way and for those that are happy running a race like this I say have at it....

Promoting your races on here has nothing to do with this thread.....

Pay Ken if you want to advertise.....instead of sliding it in a thread that has nothing to do with your races....

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I agree with Lundholm's Son-in Law!

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Some people may not have realized it was hyperbole, and taken it at face value, and formed an inaccurate view of other forms of racing. While I don't expect or want class racing to become bracket racing, it deserves a fair assessment, as some class racers do bracket race, and others may want to try some events.

Edited. It was included as a specific example of how bracket events aren't all ludicrous.

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Well, this went as I expected, lol! Though I haven't (yet) driven in stock or super stock, I've never been a huge fan of buy backs for a couple of reasons. First, my home track has an average of 475 or so cars for a points race, so we've never had buybacks for those. Second, I HATE losing first round. Losing, paying money to buy back, then losing again would not do well for my blood pressure. I did buy back once...$20 extra to try for $2,000...I ended up winning 4 rounds and getting my money back plus maybe an ice cream cone. :p I did attend a race where the car count was low and they had 2 rounds of buy backs! I beat the same guy 3 times on my way to the win. When I pulled up next to him for the third time, he looked over at me and looked pretty shook up...:D

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very lucky. he smoked the tires or I was done. Hard to believe he is running on the same 9 inch wide slick I do.
utmost respect for the patterson family. Very humbled even to race Todd Patterson and go 1 for 2 on the weekend.
He spanked me in the class final friday.
The pattersons are great sportsman and fierce competitors.
Miss all the awesome tan comp. cars that
ran great for many years. Not forgotten.

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Jeff what Happens with all those lights if you're color blind?

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"Bracket events that utilize the Re-Entry style of buybacks (1st Rnd only), where buybacks race each other in a separate round, with only winners advancing to Round 2, make it so everyone has to win the same amount of rounds to win the race"

- this is how it should be done if at all. My track LVMS does not do it this way in the local bracket series. The PSCA race last may did not either - as noted in my previous post.

Thanks

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Someone with an open mind reminded me that races were started with a flag in the past. With the lost of class racing at all nationals you have to do something to give a guy to make a buck or two, if you say no way, what are you proposing then?Claude Ruel

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I completely disagree. I race in the super classes and part of what I like about that is that there are NO buy backs.The majority of the super class racers are like the majority of stock, super stock racers and they do Not like buy backs
Chuck

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Claude - You sir , are trying to re-invent the wheel and by now even you will have to admit the Stock / SuperStock crowd wants nothing to do with this idea .Lose and you go help a friend or maybe fire up the grille but buybacks are something that just won't happen here .Leave them for the weekly bracket programs or the Million dollar races ..............And yes , I was there for the flagman deal - and buybacks weren't even thought of yet ..........

PS- I have a tough enough time paying attention for seven rounds let alone more .

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I've been racing a long, long time and all the entrants at all the races I've attended prepared their cars and their driving skills to compete the best they can, knowing that if they lose first round, or round seven, they are done. I say absolutely NO BUY BACKS!!! John Bender. 1969 E/SA. 1967 Plymouth GTX

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No to buybacks in stock super stock!

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Buy Backs were not brought into bracket racing for the benefit of the Racer. They were introduced to bolster the bottom line of the track or promoter.
Are you sure you want to introduce Buy Backs to NHRA ? I'm sure one of their bean counters will figure it out and put a spin on it so it benefits them. Soon it will be who has the deepest pockets, OH I forgot it already is......:eek:

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Jack, I am done, take me out of the oven and put a fork in it. No Buy Back in the purest form of racing S.&S/S or should I say racing and forget the purest.lol (98.5 of racer said that the would tie me to the stake or was it that they would buy me a steak if I ever brought this up) Got the message.lol Claude Ruel p.s. where are Terry, Ed to save me from myself!

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I say yes to buy backs but only if you lost the previous round due to the worst red light rule.LOL

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Lyn, where do we send the cheque? You win.lol Claude

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Never have figured out why people think they must "re-invent" Stock Eliminator and Super Stock in order to "save" them.

Not only is it not necessary, but odds are it won't work.

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Alan, stock eliminator category has changed many times. Stock eliminator cars were street cars only then NHRa allowed some pure race cars and moved them to Super Stock, stock eliminator needed to be originally from showroom to the track. Now a stock eliminator car is a race only car, no mufflers(remember 1972) heads that are acid prepared and so on. Change is good... sometimes. Claude Ruel

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Well, it's not going to happen anyway, so.......... :-)

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Does anybody know where I can "Buy Back" my last 20 years?

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I would love to do that ! LOL!
But, that ain't gonna happen either. :-(

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Why stop at a 20 year Buy back.?? That would only put most of us in our "mid life crisis"... Buy all the way back to our teenage years where we can really use all this knowledge we have found along the way (Many rounds). Maybe "Re-Dial" in the good looks dept, too!

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Adger, wouldn't it be cool to have and know what we have and know now, and be in our twenties? LOL
Buy back twenty years, I would still be 50. At least I think I still had some cartilage in my joints then.

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Posted by Bill Nees.

Does anybody know where I can "Buy Back" my last 20 years?

Answer: Satan's Pawn and Landfill.

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Satan's Pawn and Landfill - Funny

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Check out the 3 videos on you tube titled the joy of being an nhra sportsman racer. I don't know how you guys do it.

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Add another NO to the vote. Did anybody really expect anything else? The best announcement of the weekend comes before 1st round. Attention in the pits...I can't even imagine what it would sound like with the words "first call for buy-backs". Kind of makes my skin crawl. :eek:

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I bet most of you guys can't stand cell phones and conditioned air. Way to go. Stay resistant to change and every race in the future will be st/ss combos w/ 33 cars combined. Tradition schmadition car counts ain't rising.

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No. The reality is that we are living in a tough economy. It is crazy expensive to race NHRA. Allowing buy-backs totally changes the landscape of things. It doesn't fix car counts or increase payout.

(Air conditioning is great, but over used. I can't imagine life without a cell phone, but believe that smart phones are changing our society in a not so good way.)

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I wish one of y'all would think of something because I enjoy watching you all race and hope that y'all don't go away.