Re: nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

Eliminating the ahfs and leaving the FS/X cars in Stock at Indy will not help the vast majority of the cars that are trying to qualify. Move 50+ FS/X cars to their own category and then allow 180 cars to enter Stock. 180 cars would probably try to qualify if the FS/X cars are moved. nhra would pick up an additional $20,000.00 that they could then put up as prize money for the FS/X cars. I'm surprised the FS/X cars aren't asking for something like this. I know most of them are in pretty good shape financially but hey $10,000.00 to win is nothing to sneeze at.

Re: nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

The AHFS will not apply to FSS cars because their weights are already skewed on a selected index. The weights and index is not based off of the same items as the old system was. The weights and indexs were chosen for parity to even out the many performance levels of these cars.

Now I will agree with Bruce and others who want us in our own class, on our own performance terms, no AHFS, heads-up, showcase on TV, for a worth while payout and keep us away from all the whiners while they are honest about shutting their 1.20 under dinosaurs down at 1,000'.

;)

Mr. J
(The Villain)

Re: nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

We hope you enjoy your cars and get all the attention you want. But, making legitimate complaints about a bad system is NOT whining.

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In my opinion, the new cars should get AHFS like the rest of Stock Elim. cars get.

If you take the Gators as an example from this year you all can see A New Car Was
1.38 under as your number 1 qualifier.

No HP Penalty. Advantage- NEW CAR
First Round Bye. (since first rd. was an odd number of cars). Advantage- NEW CAR

Totally Not Fair To The Rest Of The Other Cars !!!!!!

Re: nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

Having 180 at Indy isn't a bad idea - pairing them up for first round would be a nightmare though .

As for the Camaro who bombed the index at Indy last year lets tell the whole story - if I'm not mistaken he got 29 horsepower added on the following Tuesday ! !

Re: nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

There are rules in place with the AHFS to change indexes. If those rules were used at Gainesville last year, a whole lot of FS cars would not have qualified at Indy.

Re: nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

Wonder how many with new cars, other than Bo, were fast before the new cars?

Re: nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

None is so blind as he who refuses to see. My post said 180 cars could try to enter and qualify. Not a field of 180 cars. And, of course, the Camaro got an instant hit - as did the Challenger. That is the whole point of the ahfs. There was nothing to leave out. It was obvious these two cars took a hit because the ahfs was in play as it should be for all Stockers.

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Old car guys get the new cars out of there classes and the bitc$ing still goes on. And wouldn't you know it, it's the same people bitc$ing.

Shut up and help the sport grow. You all sound like a bunch of old woman fighting over a bingo game.

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I know the V/S truck got 29 hp. for the effort.


How about this: the F/X cars race no problem with AHFS penalties. If the F/X cars care to run in Stock eliminator, the qualifying time and all runs in the eliminator will be subject to all the AHFS rules.


The application of the second sentence in the current rule book would be a welcome change to the majority of us racers.

Re: nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

You spend much time at women's bingo games Chuck? Getting the new cars out of the regular classes was a good start but that was only a partial fix. nhra still has some work to do to return Stock as it was intended. We'll leave growing the sport to the guys who demand privileged status. It's always the same guys who try to defend the corrupt system that is currently in place. I don't care what motivates you guys but everyone else, except you, knows this is bad for the sport.

Re: nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

I'm with you Charley .........And without these new cars Stock / SuperStock would get hardly any notice at all - like it or not they are moving our eliminators forward ! ! !

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"..hardly any notice at all." Yeah they are packing the stands alright. Not! Not one thing has improved for Stock Eliminator since these new cars arrived. No better payouts. Nothing. But then again you new car guys get some fancy parking spots. I forgot about that.

You new car guys should have enough common sense to know that nhra wants to make these cars the new Pro Stock and that it is playing you guys for chumps. You should demand your own eliminator and some serious dough. Instead of the peanuts laying on the ground after a Stock Eliminator final. Geez. I'm not a mega player like some of the new car owners but they should have enough sense to know what is going on here.

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Never been to a woman's bingo game but my grandma says there cut throat.
Bruce I think we all know who the chumps are. new car or old this whole game is for chumps with deep and shallow pockets. Just run your car and quit crying. If you don't like it just buy a boat and sail away.
I have never really raced for big money that's why I like stock and superstock

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Charley I don't see you as a player in the FS classes. The day I settle for less than a fair shot at the sheet will be the day I quit. And as far as taking your advice on anything it will be a very cold day in he**. I love the way you guys sit on top of this corrupt process and tell us to shut up and just take the crap you put out. That ain't gonna happen either. The FS cars are on their way to their own eliminator. Count on it.

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Still nobody in the stands watching us at National events. Ditto the new car "shoot outs", Nobody in the stands watching those either. Don't make enough noise, don't run 300 MPH, so nobody cares. We are just filler.

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Ed, your memory at Nationals might be a little off or you just assumed no one watches..... The two photos below are from the Factory Showdown at Indy last year. Looks like a good amount a fans for just being filler.

Re: nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

Ken, the round I went up to watch didn't have near that many up there.
When I'm racing, I never look.

Re: nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

Ed, your probably right in the first round or in qualifying, but as it got close to the finals it was nice to see people in the stands.

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I went red 4th round this past year. Just watched round 5 before loading up.

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They were simply a captive audience. Most of them have never heard of FS.

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[QUOTE=Bruce Noland;465541]Charley I don't see you as a player in the FS classes.


Not a player ??? Really ......Seems I saw a number 3 finish in the world points to his credit .Guess you don't impress easy .What have you done lately ?

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I was wondering the same thing Jumpin Jack.....Number 3 in the world...CHECK, NAtional Class Performer CHAMPION...CHECK, National Event Winner....CHECK, National Event R/U...CHECK...Graduate of Brad Z. Stick shift School of Drag Racing...CHECK....Crashed into S/C dragster after 5 th rd. loss at National Event.....Well, you get the idea. M.J.

Re: nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

Are you guys having reading comprehension problems or memory issues? This thread is about FS as in FS/X and FS/XX.

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Bruce, you have been a busy boy while we were out racing. Anyone notice our FX car won three in a row; one points race and two nationals. Just thought I would point that out. It's on point.

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Yes, I did notice. Keven is a great driver and he is on fire. Congratulations to you guys. As you already know, there are a bunch of us working to get this mess straightened out.

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So I guess you don't mind that Charley and his mighty Cobra Jet 'new car' are consistant top five qualifiers while taking one of your precious top of the sheet spots .........

Re: nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

Jack, you're looking a little dim right now. Charley's car is in it's own class and subject to the ahfs. He can run it as fast as he wants as far as we are concerned because he is within the rules of Stock. And he is doing a darn good job but that has nothing to do with this thread. The FS/X cars are not within in the rules of Stock and thats the rub. Try to focus on the issues of this thread instead of letting your watered down testosterone pollute your thinking. A reminder once again Charley does not run in the FS/X class. Please hold that thought. Thanks.

Re: nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

Didn't someone post a photo last year of Bruce beating a dead horse? Maybe I'm wrong, my memory is not what it used to be.


Dennis Breeden

Re: nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

Your memory does fail you. But to suggest that this issue is a dead horse is to suggest that it is over. Which it certainly is not. Mean while try to avoid dead horses.

Re: nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

The bottom line here is, no other Motorsport (to my knowledge) gives any one particular car or group of cars an intentional advantage. The FS/X and FS/XX cars have an advantage at every event that they are run at. Not being affected by the AHFS is a biggie in this day and age. At the events they run, just give them their own eliminator to run in and call it a day.

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Its ok guys Bruce almighty is on the job of saving stock eliminator(the way he feels it should be done). I guess I missed the vote when all 1250 or so stock racers made Bruce and his views our voice. Bruce if you spent as much time working on your racing skills as you have on beating this subject into the ground, you might win a few more rounds.

Bruce having FS/X cars at Indy in stock did not change the bump one .01 all those cars that were at the top of the sheet would have still ran -.85 under or more so who cares who's at the top of the sheet. They all run in FS which is not your class. All that matters is who is the last guy standing at the end of the day holding the trophy.

By the way Bruce I have two CJ's.

Re: nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

totally agree

Re: nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

You have two cars and which one do you currently race in the FS/X classes? One of the great things about this great country is we all have the right to say as we please. Now the ability to say what we please may depend on the media and forum but all of us have the ability to make our thoughts known either here, or on FB or some other Internet site - even if we have to deal with a bunch of self indulged men. And as you can see I'm not alone. And it's not about the bump. It's about the rules that some believe should not apply to them while the rest of the folks have to deal with them. If this was working to your disfavor you would be much more vocal than we are. It's going to change Charley - no matter how much you guys huff and puff.

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x2

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Your right Bruce it's going to change but you had nothing to do with it. The new rules and new class had nothing to do with your crying. It started back in June of last year long before your rant started.

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We were on these cars from the very start, like in 2009. And you're sadly mistaken if you think the process to move these cars began in June of last year. It shows you don't know as much as you think you do. I'm not looking for credit. I'm looking for a fair shake. Just like all the other racers.

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x3

And as posted earlier in this thread, all NHRA has to do is this:

Any race where the shootout cars are ran, simply allow all Stockers run without penalty.

Re: nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

For what it's worth, if the AHFS had been in effect for Gainesville last year, the FS/A and FS/B (now FS/XX and FS/X) would have been 9.60 and 9.85 instead of 10.10 and 10.35. How many of those cars would have been .88+ under with .5 tougher indexes?

Obviously, we will never know if Barton and Holbrook would have gone 1.60+ and 1.55+ under in Gainesville had the AHFS been in effect, but assuming all runs were the same, with AHFS, those would have been the indexes.

Going to answer my own question here. It looks like 18 of the 25 FS cars that qualified for indy last year would not have qualified. (I assume many would not have run the FS classes at those indexes, and would have run their normal classes instead).

Re: nhra info on the FS/X Classes?
 

At national events where the factory stock shootout is contested those entries to that separate race are on the qualifying sheet and put in to the the regular eliminator.

Shootout entries runs are not included in AHFS data base for all runs at that event including the regular eliminator and race against entries who's runs are included in the data base.

It does not matter that it did not matter in the past and may or not matter in the future but when a few entries in the eliminator are allowed to race with different rules than all other entries it is not a level playing field.