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Not for nothing but look back at the "Matty box" boys. Short vacation then back again.

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Hey Smokey, in the new world it's anus, not what you said.

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Frank is my new hero :-)

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Why is there a stigma when it comes to cheating with a delay device or counter, yet undercover porting stocker heads is considered acceptable? Heck, there is a guy who posted on this specific thread who's car owner has openly told me about his cars ported heads.

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Yep, one is now in top fuel.

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Without opening the debate about ported heads.....

The simple answer is ported heads only truly affects your opponent in a heads up run, as any other time is just a shoe polish race.

HOWEVER........ a delay box, counter, down track timer, etc............is cheating against every competitor you stage against.

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True Dat

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I have never understood why some people are so obsessed with cheating rather than following the rules. I've seen it for all my business life and have never understood what is gained by it. How could a person have any sense of self satisfaction about winning when they don't follow the rules and are cheaters? I bet there is some deep seeded, twisted psychological reason!

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They are like a thief, some people can do bad things without feeling guilt.

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Adger I think that cheating is fueled by cheating, lets say your combo is fast you feel you have the best stuff and have worked hard on it. Then mike comes along and blows you in the weeds,you don't know what to do to catch up, but you heard that he has a trick carb that's not as stock as yours. What do you do ?Now you get one and bam your back in the hunt. I WILL BET YOU KEEP THE CARB/S ON EVEN IF YOU FEEL THEY ARE NOT QUIT IN THE SPIRT OF THE RULES. Hence a cheater.

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Jim, That is a correct assumption. I've always called it Snow Ball effect. I've always had a line in the sand or point when I would let the customer go. I think some people use the logic that if someone else does it and gets away with it it isn't cheating. I'm sure some have seen this happen in their engine or parts business.Over the years I've developed into bending the rules and being "Creative", maybe outsmart someone or out work the competition. In my youth I subscribed to the Snow ball effect a few times and came away with an empty unfulfilled feeling. This business is like being an "Arms Dealer" what is required by the customer is always in a spiral, escalating upwards.

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Here's my 2 cents .. I think the sanctioning bodies should suspend and then hire these accused cheaters and pay them to find other cheaters. Once they catch their allotment , then they can be reinstated. Just a thought. Unless there is "honor amongst thieves" then its moot.

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Bad doggy.

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as in Nascar ,the worst cheating crewchiefs get hired

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Well Herb, from all the replies I've read, if you ever see it happen again you need to make everyone present aware at what's taking place as it is happening, otherwise the good old boy network takes over, and depending on the cheater's resume they may try to make an example of someone who doesn't win rather than tarnish a former or current champion. These thieves have no problem stealing or sleeping at night because they don't have a conscious, and that character flaw is what allows them to think they are not breaking the rule's. And those who subscribe to the idea that "it's not cheating unless your caught", please continue to read the previous sentence until it sinks in.

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Why is this taking so long? Illegal or not?

Manny Sousa

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And IHRA cannot figure out why their car count is always so low.

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Could use a little more getting to the bottom of the bowl. :rolleyes:

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I have to ask myself. How good can you feel when you cheat to win? I guess, I have never wanted to win that bad. I also go right to sleep after getting in bed. All cheaters should be "outed". If not, it ruins the sport for everyone.

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From My experience listening to the IHRA, do not wait for an "official" announcement to satisfy the masses. The IHRA will deal with the racer
in question accordingly and if the racer was found illegal, you will not see him @ future events

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I wouldn't expect an official announcement either but I thought they would at least add his name to the suspended drivers list, which they have not. Makes you wonder.

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I have been racing S/SS for the past 4 years, I started in the .90 classes. The one thing I have learned is that S/SS racers complain ALOT and have excuses for everything not to race either IHRA or NHRA.

I am fortunate enough to be able to race IHRA, NHRA, ECSSSA races, and have a ton of fun doing it!

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WOW they just got em good!

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Rich, when you lose a final round to a guy that was later found to be cheating, I'll bet you will be singing a different tune. I also like racing IHRA & NHRA so as long as everyone is on a level playing field. That's what rules are for.

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And this is the third time!

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I do not like cheaters just like any other racer. My point was that one racer should not be a reason "not" to run with an entire association.

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I believe the point is everyone would like to know if there is punishment or not

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Mickey, who dat? The guy with the big ears chomping on the popcorn?

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I agree with you, I am not going to stop racing NHRA & IHRA because of one person. However, the argument here is, if this person was indeed cheating, the sanctioning body for the sake of all class and division racers needs to delegate firm punishment. If you don't, cheating will run rampant and/or discourage the honest racers which in the long run may potentially hurt car counts. I don't know who this discussion is pointed at (and I don't really care) but, it sounds like this isn't the first time he/she has been caught cheating. Because of the multiple violations, the sanctioning body needs to deal with this person with a heavy hand if the allegations are true.

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Looks like IHRA has spoken,,,check out the Mark Young P&G and punishment thread.
Danny Durham