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I know what would happen to me if I did it but I haven't never ran Pro Stock.......

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I stopped reading all the posts on this thread, so somebody might have picked up on this already, however I did notice after I spoke to him yesterday about the AA/S that he shouldn't be able to run that today A/S is now displayed on the windows. coincidence.......?

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If you claim a class you're ineligible for, and make qualifying shots in that class, the precedent is a DQ. If they let him change classes, and he is the one who wrote AA/S on his tech card, he was allowed to do something others have not been allowed to.

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I used to love seeing Bobby's wagon down at Assumption. 3 foot wheelies out of a mid 13 second car. Too sweet!

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So now he,s in A/S Wow! Ok are they changing the ladder? Maybe a mistake in tech?

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Jimmy Alund withdrew from the race. Jimmy is a straight up guy, he loves stock. He felt it was the right thing to do. There was some confusion on the class he could run. By no means did Jimmy want to circumvent the rules. Rules are rules and Jimmy was man enough to do the right think. I hope all of you will support Jimmy in the future and not hold this against him. He came along way to support the class, and for me, that says it all.

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If you haven't taken the time to meet Jimmy Alund, you should. He's funny, friendly, and as much a die-hard as anyone I've run across in the U.S. It takes a LOT of effort to race a car in Europe in any class and Jimmy takes on the additional task of racing on two continents.

To be perfectly honest, we could learn a lot from the Swedes. They're serious racers but they never seem to lose sight of the fact that you're supposed to have fun doing it.

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Sounds like a class act, and a stand up guy. No doubt it was an honest mistake, there's nothing to hold against him.

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all you guys should be proud of yourselves now. A guy comes from Friggin Sweeden to race with you all and this is how he is treated at a race that ended up being random pairs for first round anyway.

Have none of you ever made an honest mistake? The tech guys should verify what class you run anyway with all the horsepower and factoring changes that go on now anyway. Do you think this is the only car in the country that is being raced in the wrong class?

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I would think him not being a regular over here, and how far he traveled, somebody could have told him to simply change his tail lights, and grill if it was wrong, before he races here again. No need to give him any flack over it. Not like he will be any faster or slower after he changes his tail lights.

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Chris 1529, It's not Tech's job to pick the class, some times they do check.


I respect his decision.

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my car is a '67, but my Fuzzy Dice are '65s. going to see if I can sneak it through tech.

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Why change anything? Run it as a 1968. Especially if you want to run A/S or AA/S. I don't see the disadvantage.

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So, he traveled. That means he should be treated any different than Luke Bogacki, who races dozens of races with NHRA?

Sorry, but if the rules call for a DQ, that's what the rules call for. Doesn't matter who it is or how far they came.

And I admire the guy a great deal for withdrawing, and feeling that was the right decision. That means he's a real racer, who feels the rules apply to everyone. Makes him a great guy in my book.

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Some racers claim a 1970 small block nova as a 1972 to take advantage of the hp rating. So if you own a 1970 nova and race NHRA stock eliminator, you can claim years between 1968 and 1972. Isn't this crate motor stock?
If not, why have rules?

pS

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If tech has the time and knowledge to make sure the tail lights and dash are correct on a car that was made almost 5 decades ago , as well as the means to measure parts tolerance down to .001", then they darn sure have the knowledge, skill, and ability to make sure a car is listed in the correct classification when it is entered. Tech is not picking the class.....they are merely verifying it.

that being said, I also respect his decision out of respect for the sport, but if it wasn't done willingly to gain competition advantage, it should have been corrected at tech and everyone moves on.

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That will work if he has a 396. As for DQ probably not because he withdrew and that is just like not being there.

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Oh. You don't understand cause. You race Ihra where if it doesn't fit will make a class for you. He traveled... Really you have to travel to race. He screwed up. You should no what class your car can run. Then tech man techs you in for safety. Get it. It's on the driver I saw Raymond skipper I get tossed from Atlanta for the same reason he took like man. stick with Ihra your safe there. By the way I race a nova. I know better

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I commend him for withdrawing, it shows a lot about his character and I hope he doesn't have any hard feelings about it, but the rules that are in place is what makes Stock and Super Stock what it is.
Sorry Chris, but I sometimes feel like I drive from another planet to get where I'm going on the weekends after working all week. If I did the same thing I would be grateful to be able to withdraw and get my money back. If they had DQ'ed him he would've lost his money too.

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If my memory serves me correctly,1970 has different engine specs, assuming it is a 375/396/402 combo. The exhaust valve is bigger is one differance, and the earlier cars are true 396 ci and the 70 is a 402(bigger bore) .

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There you go 396 has different spec than a 1970 402 this is reason for a DQ. If this was anybody else it would have been an auto DQ. Once again different rules for different folks

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The 1970 is allowed a 1.88" exhaust valve, the 1968 is allowed a 1.84" exhaust valve. The dome volume and chamber volume is the same, the dome height is lower for 1970. The other difference would be the intake, if he was running the 163 intake. In 1968, the plenum divider cannot be cut, in 1970, it can. Yes, there is a 0.030" difference in bore size.

Given the car has been campaigned as a 1968 for the most part, it probably meets those rules. I don't think Clark Holroyd has been cheating up his 396 all this time, using 1970 402 specs and running it as a 1968.

My point was, you can't run a 1970 in AA/S. So if you want to run the car in AA/S, run it as a 1968, there is no disadvantage. Most are running the 401 head and the 359 intake. So the only possible advantage to the 1970 is the 0.030" bore size gain, and the 1.88" exhaust valve. Well, the cubic inch gain from a 0.030" bigger bore will be minimal, as will the unshrouding of the valves, which would be entirely negated by the 1.88" exhaust valve. Again, not seeing a real disadvantage to the 1968 combination if you want to run light and go AA/S racing. Besides, it's the only one that fits the class.

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When you see a friend get DQd for class at Indy because he accidently had "ONE" TRW pushrod in his Cobrajet stocker you tend to lose respect for NHRA tech

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And for the record, the 68-69 Nova taillights are a little shorter than the 70-72 taillights so the interchangeability is not there without modification to the taillight panel.

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So there you have it! Thank you, Jimmy. You did the right thing and preserved the integrity the class.
The End.

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How difficult would it be for NHRA to have a "Go/No Go" computer at tech in where the year/engine/class claimed is entered and it either passes or is flagged prior to credentials?

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At the New England National Open last year, everyone's class/combination was verified during the tech in process. It added about 2 minutes or so to tech. No big deal.

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OH, they would have to pay someone to come up with the program and maintain it as well as administer it at the races. Administering it at the races would require another step in Tech. They can't afford to do that when it is to the racers benefit to learn how to class his own car and fill out the paperwork correctly. They can't afford to be responsible for anything like putting a car in a class. Having that step in Tech would imply responsibility and possibly leave them open to law suits. OH, yea now I remember that could be the reason the process is the way it is now. Someone sued them for putting them in the wrong class & it put a financial burden on them. The last thing that should happen is a financial burden be put on the racer.

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It seems like a simple thing to do, once it was set up.

Yes, X4, Jimmy Alund sounds like a stand up guy.

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Hi,

It looks to me that Dwight Southerland has already written the program to make easy for even a caveman to find the correct class.....

Maybe NHRA should purchase a license to use the program from Dwight????????????????????????????

It would take about 15 seconds to confirm each racecar.......

Bob

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Too easy.

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Please refer to post #68 in this thread. NHRA has such a program and Ryck Campbell verified everyone's class/combination with his laptop at the New England National Open last May. It HAS been done already.

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Hi all,

Do you think that NHRA might have just logged onto RacerInfo??????

A laptop with wireless could work and NHRA could cheap out again????

Ask Mr. Campbell??????????????

Bob

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Jimmy is obviously new to stock eliminator racing. He was right behind me in the tech line at the gators. He was unsure of how to fill out his tech card and asked me a few questions about the safety equipment and how that needed to be entered on his tech card. I did the best I could to answer his questions. I think it's best to help someone get their car classified correctly rather than beating them up and kicking them out of the race after they spent the money to travel a long way. I don't know all of the issue with his car. Luckily he had the option to drop out.

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Agree Mike, as the guys have said above a small laptop with engine, body, year fields might well have avoided the whole mess. Like that sticky by Dwight on the home page.

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Really great Post Mike.

I also understand there is precedent for this situation and what should happen to the driver and or the the entry, but that should also gives the NHRA Tech personnel more cause to examine the entry better or to verify that a certain car and configuration can't be claimed as a certain year. With all the ease of access to information, this just really shouldn't happen in this day and age.

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I guess they (NHRA) doesn't want any more to do. It sure would solve a lot of problems if they did use Dwight's system or make their own.

To make their own program, they would probably need Dwight's help.