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Where the hell is the like button!

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This is just one more thing nhra doesn't have to do their job that everyone with a membership is paying for. Nhra isn't doing this for the racers. This is an insult to the racer that his car is factored to the max. If nhra wants to play this game, put all the cars back to their factory HP, then let the stuff hit the fan.

Casey Miles
248H

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:D . . . now that would be entertaining! Both at the races and on this board!

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awesome

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What makes everybody think just because their will be no AHFS at Indy that a guy with the fastest car in his class is going to run wide open or on "kill" to win class? Nobody wants to show everything they have,they want go only as fast as they need to,to win.So their will still be "wheel racing" and sandbagging.

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Maybe not every one will, but a lot will. Regardless, there will be a lot more BTTW runs than we have seen before; egos have a way of overcoming good sense.

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I've always wondered this if you don't run hard at Indy what the hell are you saving it for?

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Glad to hear it Larry. Would love to see you put an auto in it
and run like 3 seconds under! The -.229 or somewhere in there bomb shell a few years ago in eliminations at Indy with the stick was awesome. Likely while still shaking down
the truck I would imagine....

Oh oops Larry.. I just noticed the auto was factored to 182 hp. 1/1/13....
I look for the bump to be 1.0 at least under with
a mix of FS cars and obscure/ or "favoreable" combos. Most of
the old beat up combos will be left way out.

Thanks Ken for getting this rule put in.
should be really neat !!

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Al, you always possessed the ability to verbilize what most people are thinking!

There was an old racer, he might be retired by now, that said " It doesn't cost a thing to pay attention". Sorry I just could not think of his name, getting old is not for the meek.

Conspiracy theory and popcorn two of my favorites!

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Yes, please come show us how fast you can go with no penalty! LOL. This is the race that nobody should attend. An ambush in the making.

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I cant agree more with you.

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Hey Paul, they already have all the incremental times for the old combos, just not enough info on the newer cars, thus, the no AHFS. It really doesn't matter, the newer cars are in a more favorable position.

Like Dwight said, egos come into play, so it should be fun.

Question is, how many of the top 10 spots will be newer cars?

Ron Ortiz
U/SA if I entered, will they give me less HP.

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Wow. Lots of conspiracy theories. Nary a shred of evidence. Any chance this was done simply because enough racers, manufacturers, and perhaps even a few hard core fans asked for it?

Personally, I think this has the makings of the best class race in a decade. I'd hate to think anyone is staying home just because they feel the need to protect their combination.

But oh, please make Sept. 1-2 a pair of cool crisp fall days in Indy.

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My belief is that the "Flat Out" no AHFS US Nationals that is being offered by NHRA is "not designed to fool competitors" in to showing their hand in order to gather the necessary information that they feel they need to level the playing field once and for all.

In my opinion if that was NHRA's motive they could have secretly used the ammunition gathered over past National Open events where most competitors raced with no fear what so ever of the AHFS and It could have been corrected long ago. Seems to me there is not much chance they haven't been over the results from those events with a fine tooth comb and Nitro's stats lay all the cards right on the table for all to see.

My believe is that NHRA is reacting to the many complaints from racers who are totally unhappy with the fact that the Factory Shootout cars are being allowed "special privileges" by being exempt from the AHFS and therefore dominating the top half of the qualifying sheet.

Just my .02

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I am not supporting this senerio, but stop and think about it. Indy is the only race where we qualify and slower ones (based on current HP ratings), do not get to race. For all other races, everyone races. The only time AHFS comes into play is a "heads up" race. All other runs are "bracket races".

A simply change by NHRA would eliminate all of the headaches for NHRA trying to keep up with hundreds, if not thousands of combinations and the bit--ing from us racers.

- Run everyone that is entered at all races, including Indy
- Eliminate "heads up" races...every race, you dial your time.

No reason to have AHFS. Be careful what you wish for.

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If they did that, I'd quit. And so would everybody else that are class racers at heart ... If I want to bracket race every time I run a similarly equipped competitor, I would do exactly that ( bracket race ) at my own home track . I could stay in the Columbus Ohio area and sleep in my own bed every night ...

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Well put Jeff, some of these guys just don't understand what class racing is
all about. See you at Bowling Green.

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Just because you're parinoid doesn't
mean there not watching.......:D

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Hoping Billy Nees or one or more of the other obscure combo guys will get into there vast collection that I can only invision
and build an awesome dime rocket W/Stocker or something for a cool race with a factory stocker ! Get out your popcorn!

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Thanks Jeff N, I believe that point has been clarified a million times on here already.

Mr. Hansen does't a have a gun in this fight but he continually expresses his opinions that, frankly, don't count, -----YET.

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Bernie, if you mean I don't have a gun in this fight because I am not fast enough to get horsepower, you are correct.(same as you) If you mean I don't have a gun in this fight because I don't have the race cars indicated in my signature...you are incorrect...If you mean I don't have a gun in this fight because I haven't raced in 2 years.....I haven't. ...I had a stroke....hope to be cleared to race this fall. And, I have raced the US Nationals, which this post is about.

If you reread my post, very clearly, I stated that I do not support this senerio. But I believe we, as class racers, need to be aware how easy NHRA could change things. Don't shoot the messenger.
PS...I agree with my friend, Jeff

G Day

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Hey boys, the saying is actually "Doesn't have a DOG in this fight."

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Lot of controversy.
Some comments are confusing.

Is NO HP Factoring considered a good thing?

D

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The part of this is, I don't understand that before the decision was made on this change, why wasn't there a communication set up to ask the racers if they wanted this. A poll or email to all members of the nhra. I think that to put this rule into effect with out asking the masses is bs, my opinion. To allow under rated cars that have not been factored are now ruling the roost and insulting the cars that have been over factored.

Casey Miles
248H Over factored combo Stock

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^^ I totally agree on everything said in this post, especially what is highlighted in bold

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Alan, I also agree with what Mike said in his post. If NHRA wanted to make changes the info is out there already.

For Indy this year just use the old adage - "Run what you brung and hope you brung enough."

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I would imagine this decision was made based upon
the manufacturers and some of the racers input to try to
encourage as many of the late model factory stockers
and super/stockerstoers show up as possible without
fear of facing horse power penaltys for "AHFS" infractions.
Unfortunately th older combos probably are not all that great
for business for many. Some.. but not many...