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Just to play devils advocate. In the current system the faster car can win the race before his car ever moves. If the slower car red lights. Where is the slow cars opportunity to win the race with out his car even leaving the line?

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Dale,
Tru-Start comes into play when the slower car goes red, because it prevents the timing system from indicating a red light for the slower car.

If both competitors cross the center line, my understanding is they are both DQ'd.

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In talking with some local racers about Tru-Start I have heard varied answers. Some I won't repeat, but I believe it is a good thing for the sport.

I would like to hear from the 2 racers involved in this discussion. Both Jody Lang and Bob Gullett are accomplished racers.

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I don't believe that is true, I have seen both cars cross the centerline more than once, first car that crossed the centerline got the DQ, other car stayed in.

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That is correct. Same holds true if slower car goes red and faster car is green then shower car is automatically eliminated

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The rule book in section 2 under disqualifications spells out when both cars are disqualified. and it includes if both car cross the centerline. To make it 'fair' maybe both cars should be disqualified if they both red light. BTW, let me know when NHRA accepts Tru-Start as the official timing system at all its races.

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So what do you do when the second car crossed the centerline to avoid a collision with the first car?

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I have to say that i started a post many of years ago on this subject and most guys who own a fast car were against a true win red light. I love being the turtle being chase by fast car, if I cut a great light"SAYORANA fast car and 45% will red light. The only advantage, the fast car is having me in their sights all the way down, but if the light is 010 or better,they won't have a chance unless my cars performance drops, no place to touch the brakes or womp the throttle.CR

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the guy at front of this post, does not run stock!! his car is over a second off the index. he rarely runs at his track, because his car does not launch very good, has no gears, weak engine. It's one of these, I can't win, so lets change the rules. the way we've raced is ok,. the slower car gets two chances to win, faster care has only one chance to win, In the make me feel good, is that fair?? NO. leave it alone!!! lets just go race!! end of rant!!

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That would be me. YES I do. I recently converted my bracket car to a legal stocker. Now less than a second over. Have several things in the works. I have a very good convertor (Blue Streak) & 5.14's. I'm working on the engine. (it's a 2bbl combo). I have raced at my local track for over 30 years. (my attendance has been weak lately as I have a health issue and my long time wife just left me). It's not about "I can't win". I have over 50 trophies stuck in a corner of my garage. It's about EVENing an unfair (in my opinion) advantage that the faster cars have had for too long. How is it that you "know" so much about me and my car "older racer" ?
The Combo at Renegade in September was my first. I wanted to support it as it has been a while since they have had anything like that there. The slow time my car ran in the first round on Saturday was the result of a small problem that I fixed later that day. (Yes mine was the yellow Cougar here ..... http://classracer.com/classforum/att...4&d=1474913322

I can't afford a faster class & I am trying to get what I have faster. No stirring, stating a preference for something that is in the works.

Me thinks your wrong. It has already been in use at the Spring Fling and seemed to get rave reviews.

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older racer summed it up!

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David, I am not a fan of tru-start for NHRA class racing. If bracket racers like it and use it all well and good. I am not a bracket racer.

Now for the reason for my response. Don't give up on making your car faster, just keep working and thinking about it. It will get faster. It took us a year and a half to get the Cuda to run the 1/8 mile index. Then it was another year before it would run the 1/4 mile Index.

If you will, get your car running the index and race within the rules and then request changes in the rules package. You may find that tru-start is much about nothing.

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The issue isn't in relation to his index, it's between faster and slower classes. A U/SA that is -1.2 will still leave before a +.10 A/SA and if red, will lose.

After 6 pages I think it's obvious it's not just one person pushing this, how many more have not responded because they don't want to get singled out as "one of them".

Either you believe the worst offender should be punished or you don't, period. Don't think those posting on here will change their minds as it's already made up, it's all the ones not posting that if there was a "vote", would silently vote for it.

Sound familiar?

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[QUOTE=Don't think those posting on here will change their minds as it's already made up, it's all the ones not posting that if there was a "vote", would silently vote for it.

Sound familiar?[/QUOTE]

I think there was an election a week ago with results like that?

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As a bracket racer I saw Tru- Start used at Norwalk for the Halloween Classic. I red lighted leaving 1st, green light was on, faster car was green. After my car shifted I looked up at scoreboard and his win light was on.

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I rarely get involved in this stuff but this time this just keeps coming up. My car is kinda middle of the pack(H,I,J,/SA). Typically I spot about half the cars at a race and get spotted about half the time. There are advantages to running a fast car and other advantages to running a slow car. I prefer leaving first. I have a clean tree, no distractions from the movement of the other car, etc. if I drive my race, have a good light, run within .01 of my dial I'm going to win 90% of those races. If I leave early And red light I lose. I did not deserve to win. I have driven from South Florida and red lighted in Sonoma so I know better than most how costly it can be. I have been a Stock Eliminator racer since at least 1990(with a few years off) and ran Super Stock in the late 70's early 80's. When I first began racing Stock it took me a year to run the index. I have seen all sides of this and think we should leave things alone and race. Is the system perfect, maybe not but nothing is. Mike McMahan 2543 H/SA

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yep

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x2

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Tru-Start sucks, while we're throughing out dumb ideas lets just put a wall up between the two lanes. This way if I break the guy in the other lane can't see me brake and I still have a chance to win by him breaking out. Becuse it's not fair if he looks over and sees I'm broke.

Funny most of the people wanting tru start on here I never see past the 3rd of an event.

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HAHAHAHA damn just spit my drink out I will put a monkey on that wall with a radio

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Why does Tru-Start "suck"?

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As per the NHRA rule book, both cars are DQd, except in the final round. Then the first car going over the boundry line is DQd.

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Who pays for the wall?

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The monkey

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Tru-start is good for delay box racing but not for footbrake bottom bulb

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:rolleyes:

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Tough crowd Dave, old school racers with old school ideas. Good luck with your Cougar.

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This fast car / slow car stuff is stupid. It's all about the driver. Up here there are two drivers you don't want to draw in round one, Brad Burton D/SA and Brian Seaburg U/SA. Drivers who run the numbers for their set ups get the win lights.

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Got that right Charlie, thanks

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Drag racing it takes 2 balls to play!..
This aint golf NO MULIGANS!

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A lot of the responses to this seem worthy of this forum called "CLASSracer". Thank you for those. Responses that cite examples and discuss the pro's and con's of the issue, or just state their preference.

I like the technical side of this sport and am enjoying the challenge of getting my car to run the index.

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I like, both go RED, both loose! Makes for more bye runs.

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As with most guys with slower cars, I vote for tru-start but I don't think NHRA will bite.
Problem is I can't think of an instance where it would have made a difference in a race I've been involved in. The other guy usually sees my red in time to make sure he doesn't go red.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

Re: A case for Tru-Start
 

Don Fezell (AAA/SA) and I (O/SA) were a selected pair in RD 1 at the Summernationals in 2013. I went -.040 red and he followed with -.130 or so red of his own. I realized I would never have any success at racing if I continued to bulb. Its the worst feeling leaving first and ending the race before it even starts. Even though Tru start might make sense ( breakout after all, is worst not first) if you can`t cut a light, you wont be going too many rounds with those sharks:)


Mike A114
P/SA

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I agree with this, that's what Peter and Kyle's idea was to level the playing field at Spring Fling. Its taking on a life of its own , As a box racer I think it a good thing in the classes I run. But I really think its NOT right for bottom bulb racers.....

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I leave first about 75% of the time and don't really care if they change it or not. Charlie I like the wall idea I think I would still have to womp on it a couple times and drag some break even if I couldn't see the man it's half the fun to me. To me leaving first is an advantage, I like being first out gives me first chance to screw up the stripe or not! Mickey where did you get your monkey from I've been wanting one too.....

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Please explain, thx, B

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Curious about that myself.

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I like the double DQ idea. Leave early and you're done. Keep it simple.I can't see the opponent's lights past staging anyway. All they need to do is hold the win light until a car passes the finish line.

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Peter on WFO about tru-start. Box or Bottom bulb.

https://soundcloud.com/wforadio/nitr...2016#t=2:02:45

“All the reports were good (after the Las Vegas and Bristol) races and my phone start ring off the wall with race tracks that wanted TruSTART right then,” Brockmeyer said. “We have 35 race tracks that want it right now.”