Re: Jerry Emmons speaks his mind
 

Gee, you are very astute.

Re: Jerry Emmons speaks his mind
 

Could it be that Jerry is being used as an example because of his prominent stature to send a message that excessive braking will longer be tolerated?
It certainly has gotten the attention of this forum.

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Driver can dial whatever he or she wants under index. That's the rule. No rule stating you have to run what you know your car will run. Its to bad though as AHFS would work very quickly.

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Speaking as an outsider looking to get in the game, I have to say it is a shame when any drag race is won by "sandbagging" in order to cross the finish line hard on the brakes instead of at full throttle. Seems like that nonsense should be left to the bracket racers. How boring for the spectators (what spectators?). But as has been stated, the "top notch drivers" have figured this out and will continue to win that way because the rules have allowed this to happen. Can't blame them for finding a way that works. Perhaps the fix opens up a bigger can of worms for NHRA to attempt to police. Maybe the name should be changed to "Brake Racing" instead of "Drag Racing".

Re: Jerry Emmons speaks his mind
 

Say what you want, driver was warned, driver continued, he got tossed.

Then states that they will not dictate his driving. Well they just did.

Lucky they let him win the winter nationals driving like that. Remember it's their game up to their discretion, states that in the rulebook.

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Not so sure about that,Tony .
None of the guys I hang around with, hold back tenths of a second.
They seem to do alright.

Re: Jerry Emmons speaks his mind
 

Back to dial in racing 101, the other driver has NOTHING to do with whether you win or not. YOU cut the light and run dead on your dial, the other driver can slide or whatever, he can't beat you. He CAN make it easy (bad light) or hard (better light than you) but that's it. So know your car and dial it right. He's able to do his thing because the other driver can't drive.

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My post was meant to point out that something is basically wrong when part of a driver's drag racing strategy to win is to slam on the brakes. I have won races off the throttle, but not on the brakes.

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I agree with what you say. Jerry's stratagy is easy in a way, just cut a great light and end up in front at the stripe. No need for weather stations, spun off the line, air changes, temp changes, track from day to day, morning runs, nite runs, it eliminates all the variables that effects dial ins.

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What's really alarming about this thread is all the dumbass comments about being made to dial honest and hold it wide open at the finish line. Of that's the way you race that's fine! Just don't worry about the other no need to even look over there. Keep hitting the tree and dialing it as hard as you can lol. Here's a clue for you next time you spin a few hundreds or miss your shift by a couple hundreds, good luck getting your **** loaded up because you just lost, you ain't got no chance at all against a guy like Emmons or any other good driver for that matter!!!!!

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A winning driver yes, but a good driver doesn't risk other people's cars and lives.

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The guys telling a better way, and how Jerry was doing it wrong, how often do you actually beat Jerry? I don't run mine that way, but I'm certainly not going to say he is doing it wrong. He wins more than I ever have.

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And most of them don't ever show up on a sheet either Mr Ed!

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There are "racers" and there are "drivers" ! You choose .

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X2

Greg

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as·tute
əˈst(y)o͞ot/
adjective
adjective: astute; comparative adjective: astuter; superlative adjective: astutest
having or showing an ability to accurately assess situations or people and turn this to one's advantage.
"an astute businessman"
synonyms:
shrewd, sharp, acute, adroit, quick, clever, crafty, intelligent, bright, smart, canny, intuitive, perceptive, insightful, incisive, sagacious, wise; informalon the ball, quick on the uptake, savvy; heads-up

how about that. the last synonym is "heads-up". Must be about class racing.

Dan

Re: Jerry Emmons speaks his mind
 

I read that five times and still don't understand what he wrote, maybe a generation gap thing

Re: Jerry Emmons speaks his mind
 

As Jim Harrington once told me a winning driver very seldom is under power at the finish line.

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Oh so true. BINGO

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I agree totally with Mark Yacavone/Jim Carter posts on
this thread!

I got in trouble in the early 90's for braking ......Destroyed a set
of Front Runners or two!

It got old fighting with NHRA officials all the time and to put myself
and other racers in DANGER! All the stock racers from then know
the way I drove back in those days. I finished ( 3rd in Div. 7 ) up
towards the top my first couple years back Stock Eliminator racing.

I used to laugh and say if I did not get a written warning (The were on Paper
back them) by 2nd or 3rd round I was not aggressive enough! In
the years after that I unfortunately saw drivers severely hurt and even die
at the track in front of me, it really made me rethink how I operate my car.

I modified my behavior......I try to hold one or two hundreds
but NOT a tenth any more. If I spin......I go home and work on the
race car. The rest of my family follows the same rules or their race
cars get parked for a while. If you EVER see my boys operated
there cars recklessly....Let me know and I will PARK them for a
while even if NHRA is not aware of the problem!

I still go my share of rounds every once in a while and I still will
judiciously use the brakes as everyone in Div. 7 is aware.


Just my opinion.......Everybody else can do whatever their
conscience dictates!

At our shop...........Justin Jerome still deserved to WIN the Winters.
I have never seen him or his Dad (Jeff) exercise less than excellent
judgement beyond any possible question. I have lost track of the times
Jeff has beaten me without any drama!

I watched the Finals live before loading up after my kid lost to Justin in
SEMI's.....I was standing there watching in real time.

Just my .02 cents, the musings of a old man.

John Irving (Sr.)

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This is true, but he didn't say you had to be sideways to do it. Harry would crack the throttle long before the finish line to get rid of much of what he was holding early, and then fine-tune it at the stripe. You don't have to hold any more than what you could possibly misjudge the weather/track conditions plus how far you could be behind on the tree. You want to introduce the least number of variables possible.

If your car is set up right, you can be aggressive and kill a bunch of ET without smoking the tires or getting sideways.

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Jim also crashed his 'Cuda for "excessive" braking.

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[QUOTE=Buick6;529369]Speaking as an outsider looking to get in the game, I have to say it is a shame when any drag race is won by "sandbagging" in order to cross the finish line hard on the brakes instead of at full throttle. Seems like that nonsense should be left to the bracket racers. How boring for the spectators (what spectators?). But as has been stated, the "top notch drivers" have figured this out and will continue to win that way because the rules have allowed this to happen. Can't blame them for finding a way that works. Perhaps the fix opens up a bigger can of worms for NHRA to attempt to police. Maybe the name should be changed to "Brake Racing" instead of "Drag Racing".[/QUOTE Buick 6, you might want to reconsider getting in the game. "top notch drivers" will leave you behind. Never heard of the Soros echo chamber.]

Re: Jerry Emmons speaks his mind
 

Fixed your post for you, Tony. :)

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Geez, y'all are tuff on the newbies.

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Since safety is paramount, maybe one change to the rules regarding "excessive braking" that NHRA should consider is in the area of penalties. Instead of a DQ for "excessive braking" rules infractions, make it a suspension for some period of time during the current racing season or the next, depending on the time of year. Deterrents can be effective.

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Jerry did nothing wrong. No knowledgeable driver is going to watch that video and say that car was out of control. It stayed straight, wheels were rolling, not locked up, he was in full control. I think that was a bad call. Not like Jerry is still trying to learn how to drive.

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Completely agree.

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I have been racing super Stock for well over 30 years. I have never had a race my opponent has slammed on or locked up the brakes. I watch the qualifying times and know if the other racer is holding. I am not the caliber of driver that the world champs are but I have raced the best. Peter, Anthony, Rampy and several others that race clean and do not hammer the brakes at the stripe. My feeling is this type of heavy braking needs to be addressed by NHRA. It appears that Jerry was with in the written rule on his run unless he was warned prior not to continue with that practice.

Re: Jerry Emmons speaks his mind
 

Same with any sport. Strike zone, holding call or a charging foul, it's all in the eyes of the beholder.
Deal with it!

Re: Jerry Emmons speaks his mind
 

When I have been tossed or fined (Done both) it is a accumulation of
several incidents of bad judgement rather than a single action. I could
bore you with several stories, but NHRA has always warned me and I
pushed my luck.

I did not see the semi final pass.......I was racing in that round myself.
However, I did see several earlier rounds and the final at Pomona.

Just my experience = Your mileage may vary.

John Irving Sr.

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Sorry..wrong thread

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I agree as well....that's a bummer, but Jammin' Jerry will bounce back from that, but because of this we just might be looking at this years NHRA Stock Eliminator Champion! The last person I know who recently had to deal with adversity and rose to the top, was a certain quarterback named Tom Brady, and we know what he did now don't we???

He's certainly off to a great start!!!! :)