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Re: Let's have a discussion about setting records

Set a record- get a "first round BYE".....

only a few liked (or understood) my first round bye for all top qualifiers (amount changes every race), but evens out the field after rd 1 (64, 32, 16, 8 cars left) - no more bye runs after first round... sounds complicated, but it's not... anyone watch March Madness??? they went from 64 teams to 68 and have first rd play-in games (same theory).

Both of these reward the high performers with rd 1 byes.

Re: Let's have a discussion about setting records

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Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin (Post 535429)

I wasn't aware that I was bitching, and I'm not sitting on my butt, I thrash on my car on a daily basis trying to make it faster and have been running Divisional races on an ongoing basis for the past several decades. I have set National Records on numerous occasions (and am not particularly happy when they go back to minimum after two years). I'd love to run class at Divisional races, just saying the National Record issue and running class at Divisionals are two separate issues and should be dealt with on separate threads. Incidentally, Division 6 has a year end CIC type race sponsored by the Gaynors based on points accumulated during the season.

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019

I wasn't talking about you Jim.......

Re: Let's have a discussion about setting records

Working on my presentation. There is a lot of concern over the factory cars gobbling up all the top 10 qualifying points at every race. In my presentation, I am proposing that all factory cars run their own eliminator, earn their own points, qualifying points, and record points as I have suggested for traditional stock and super stock classes. Factory cars should be run with the pros at national events to gain exposure for class, the owners,drivers, sponsors and corporate America (GM, Chrysler, Ford). At division races factory cars will still be in their own class and be featured at the end of each qualifying session. I looked real quick at two recent races to look at the top 10 qualifiers in s and ss. I know its a small sample but here it is.

Atlanta stock (7 factory cars)

1 3909 FS/B Drew Skillman, Bargersville IN, '12 Musta 8.998 10.00 -1.002
2 2040 C/S Ken Vaughn, Columbia TN, '96 Corvette 10.403 11.35 -0.947
3 428 A/SA Kevin Helms, Schriever LA, '10 Challenger 10.147 11.00 -0.853
4 16 A/SA Jim Boudreau, Tewksbury MA, '69 Camaro 10.172 11.00 -0.828
5 373 FS/A Bill Skillman, Greenwood IN, '14 Mustang 8.898 9.70 -0.802
6 9 FS/E Jeff Hairrington, Kathleen GA, '14 Mustang10.172 10.95 -0.778
7 R210 FS/AA Richard Bierie, Acworth GA, '17 Camaro 8.626 9.40 -0.774
8 P270 FS/H Ricky Pennington, Gardendale AL, '12 Must 10.728 11.50 -0.772
9 1578 G/S Jim Roberts, Portsmouth RI, '69 Camaro 11.146 11.90 -0.754
10 1 FS/C Jeff Strickland, Red Bay AL, '17 Camaro 9.550 10.30 -0.750

Atlanta Super stock (1 factory car)

1 373 FSS/E Bill Skillman, Greenwood IN, '10 Mustang 8.719 10.05 -1.331
2 3 GT/LA David Rampy, Piedmont AL, '87 Camaro 10.226 11.05 -0.824
3 2207 GT/HA Jeff Taylor, Sellersburg IN, '06 Cobalt 9.687 10.50 -0.813
4 23 SS/DM Mike Crutchfield, Montgomery AL, '08 Pont 8.948 9.75 -0.802
5 338 GT/JA Nichole Stephenson, Hillsboro IN, '90 Che 10.006 10.80 -0.794
6 455 GT/MA Burlin Taylor, Hammond LA, '84 Camaro 10.418 11.20 -0.782
7 3499 SS/N Gary Summers, Franklin KY, '85 Mustang 11.172 11.95 -0.778
8 2 SS/GA Jimmy Hidalgo Jr., Donaldsonville LA, '02 9.772 10.55 -0.778
9 1972 GT/KA Greg Porter, Suffolk VA, '87 Cutlass 10.123 10.90 -0.777
10 2093 GT/QA Bobby Dennis, Shorter AL, '90 Calais 10.977 11.75 -0.773

Norwalk stock (4 factory cars)

1 1968 F/SA Chuck Weber, Frewsburg NY, '80 Corvette 10.870 11.85 -0.980
2 3156 FS/F Jeffrey Tietz, Spring Grove IL, '15 Camaro10.222 11.20 -0.978
3 3014 FS/D Steve Novosel, Troy MI, '15 Camaro 9.623 10.60 -0.977
4 302B FS/G George Wright, Carleton MI, '12 Mustang 10.398 11.35 -0.952
5 3360 N/SA Steve Sullivan, W. Chester OH, '88 Mustan 12.052 13.00 -0.948
6 3113 G/S Dave Walther, Lanesville IN, '69 Camaro 10.962 11.90 -0.938
7 1007 FS/C John Kunsak, Wexford PA, '15 Camaro 9.364 10.30 -0.936
8 3193 B/SA Mark Williams, S. Charleston WV, '99 Cama 10.333 11.25 -0.917
9 1603 I/S James Jeschke Jr., Baden PA, '84 Camaro 11.304 12.20 -0.896
10 390G DF/S Gene Lampshire, Lorain OH, '80 Citation 14.707 15.60 -0.893

Norwalk super stock (2 factory cars)

1 382 FGT/B Rick Rodgers, Dearborn Hts MI, '14 Cobra 8.676 9.70 -1.024
2 601 SS/CM Cody Lane, North Bend WA, '05 Cavalier 8.487 9.50 -1.013
3 1197 GT/E Jim Evanuik, North Versailles PA, '98 Esc 9.011 10.00 -0.989
4 3838 SS/NA Eric Stewart, Oswego IL, '84 Cutlass 11.176 12.15 -0.974
5 3269 GT/HA Jeff Dona, Gordonville MO, '98 Formula 9.530 10.50 -0.970
6 311 GT/KA Dan Kyle, Lawrenceburg IN, '87 Firebird 9.949 10.90 -0.951
7 3548 SS/LA Garrett Ghezzi, Dolton IL, '69 AMX 10.513 11.45 -0.937
8 3254 FSS/D Jeffery Myers, Decatur IN, '15 Camaro 8.985 9.90 -0.915
9 397M GT/FA Brina Splingaire, Kronenwetter WI, '08 Co 9.336 10.25 -0.914
10 3131 SS/IA Ricky Decker, Charlestown IN, '94 Camaro 9.788 10.70 -0.912

Re: Let's have a discussion about setting records

Somebody said "run class only"?? Do you not realize many classes will only have one car?

Re: Let's have a discussion about setting records

I think you should get the record, whether you want it or not, if you run quicker or faster than the current record at an Divisional, National, or Open. It shouldn't matter if it is Qualifying, Class, or Eliminations. As long as it was backed up within 1%, it's yours. Pass fuel, pass weight, seal the motor right then and there on the return road and be given a 30 day window for a tear down or before your next race, whichever is sooner. Can't race another event until you have fulfilled the tear down obligation. If you pass, congrats you are the new record holder!

Now on to the perks you've just earned: All the ideas proposed sounded good. I like the idea of at least a round's worth of points. I also like the free grade point idea. A free national event entry is a great idea or maybe $100 credit toward one. The insurance is never free even for gold cards I think? Tom's idea of first round bye is a nice idea that can definitely be built on. ND coverage helps. Engineers/experienced tech officials will be necessary.

Re: Let's have a discussion about setting records

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Originally Posted by thomas sheehan (Post 535433)

So I understand if 5 cars set records at one event they all get first rd bye runs?

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Originally Posted by george peterson (Post 535302)

records are made to be broken, not to expire.

winner!!!!!!!

Re: Let's have a discussion about setting records

Power in numbers people. Send me a.quick me to trooper10538@netzero.com and ill explain what I'm trying to do. If you do nothing you get nothing!

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Originally Posted by Ed Carpenter (Post 535297)

The records page is full of minimums. To me that's a sad deal. I think incentives needs to be put out there to encourage more record settings.

Automatic hits needs to be moved to 1.10 under from 1.20.

Ed Carpenter

Ed, I applaud your efforts.Not trying to be negative, but how would this encourage record setting? Most folks wait for Nat'l Opens now, with no hp penalty.

Re: Let's have a discussion about setting records

Mark in my proposal to Nhra that as well as class at divisional was dropped. Not enough racers onboard. Stay positive people. I've been told that will.never work before. Ask Stephen Belanger and Gene Bichlmeier how they made out with my K deal. A lot of people said that would never happen......

Re: Let's have a discussion about setting records

Well, I'm glad I said I have thick skin in my emails to fellow racers about my proposal to NHRA. Fellow racers certainly can be haters......oh well...luckily it as just a.few most have been real positive and appreciative of my efforts.

Re: Let's have a discussion about setting records

Thanks Ed !!
I like what you have on the table for Record setters !!

Re: Let's have a discussion about setting records

I think this a great idea. Maybe we will start to see more record runs like in the old days. Getting a grade point and or bonus points would be a good incentive. If I could get my own s--t together I would try regardless.

Bruce Cameron
1968 Nova 396 E/S
1968 Camaro SS/I

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Ed,
Something that everybody at NHRA and the track owners are missing is the Promotional aspect. The Divisional track owners have a tool to draw spectators if they would use it. Records aren't just for drawing racers.
NHRA sells the divisional packages to track owners. NHRA is slighting the package by not selling the idea of tracks having record competition.
Back in the day Green Valley would advertise that XXX records were set at the track. It is a tool to put butts in the stands, if track owners would use it as promotion.

Re: Let's have a discussion about setting records

I'm with you, Ed. Points for setting records. There is enough history that the major pitfalls can be avoided and a policy that is effective in today's championship program can be crafted. Possibly include points for class wins at certain national races like Indy or the Sportsnationals. The national and divisional championship programs for sportsman racers can be a much bigger promotional tool and benefit than they are currently and promotion is the path to more spectators and bigger purses.

NHRA will have to consider that they will have to have trained tech crews at the races to support the validation of the records, and that seems to be something they are moving the other direction on. Any suggestions to help NHRA build and support a tech team for that?

Re: Let's have a discussion about setting records

If I haven't asked you yet please send me quick email to trooper10538@netzero.com so I will have yours. I will send you a copy of my proposal. I have received a lot of feedback. Please feel free to provide yours. I did abandoned the idea of having class at 3 races per year in each division. Feedback was negative.

Re: Let's have a discussion about setting records

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Originally Posted by Ed Carpenter (Post 535297)

The records page is full of minimums. To me that's a sad deal. I think incentives needs to be put out there to encourage more record settings.

1. Gain points for setting records 25 for et/10 for speed (only two a year) must pass teardown.

2. Points for qualifying in top 10. 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1 you get the idea. This will encourage people to run hard and maybe the ahfs will actually come into play.

3. Bonus points at thr end of the year for top 10 drivers who average under the index (farthest under) throughout the season. Minimum 50 qualifed runs.

4. More notoriety in ND. Car owner,driver,engine builder,sponsors etc. Lets get some publicity.

Another Idea:

How about implementing class at divisionals. This is suppose to be performance based. Well lets get back to performance!

Automatic hits needs to be moved to 1.10 under from 1.20.

Just my thoughts. Maybe some sponsorship for records. Don't roll you damn eyes saying it can't. Be done. I found 23 sponsors to sponsor one class (SS/K) totaling 7000k in cash,products, and services for one race. I'm a.nobody in racing. Hell 75% of you on here have no idea who I am. But with my determination I made.it happen. Get some big wigs involved and I bet some nice sponsorship could be put together for records etc.

What's everyone's opinion? I'm a state trooper so I'm thick skinned I can take it.

Ed Carpenter

All great ideas.

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Your point #4 is one of my pet peeves about NHRA. They save about 2 cents (ink) on each issue of ND ( which is already a comic book) by omitting our advertising, sponsor info. That's why we don't set records anymore. Besides: if you set it more than 1.0 second under, you throw up the flag for horsepower. I hate NHRA !