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Here`s a question. Would a late 60`s or early 70`s big or small block car be legal to run e-shift?

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The easy answer is no

Pneumatic, hydraulic, electric, etc. controls and shifters in all noncomputer (older car like mine) -controlled electronic-fuel-injected(car without a solenoid shifted transmission FROM THE FACTORY) vehicles prohibited

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That's what I figured. Policing that will be as easy as policing Stick racers not using a clutch at each shift. Pretty much another rule that will affect no one.

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Easy to see that air ram cylinder on the shifter, and a CO2, or compressed air, bottle.

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[QUOTE=HR9121;550121]So the way I read this, if you run a solenoid controlled transmission in your COPO or Cobra Jet "stocker", the computer can shift it for you but if you run a Powerglide or C4, you have to shift it manually. Agree???

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

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Hi Jim, that sounds about right. Also, I think that if it's done internally then it's OK just nothing external.

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Guys, a friend just sent me this.

The ultimate shifter for those who are scared to take one hand off the steering wheel while doing those huge Stocker wheelstands.
It's a bit pricey, but hey, after installing the wheelie bars, racing seats, aluminum radiators and water pumps, roller rockers, aftermarket rods, etc. , all in the name of safety, might as well go all the way.
It's your life .

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Don't you think they are referring to computer controlled transmissions? Not all EFI vehicles came with computer controlled transmissions.

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I don't know.
Maybe we're missing a comma or something there?

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Maybe they need to proof read better. Logic tells me that was what they meant.
EFI came in the Camaro/Firebird/Corvette in 1984, the 4L60E trans in 1994, & the 1993 model GM trucks.

But, I agree with letting anything have it.
I promise you, if I miss on the setup, and mine needs to shift to second while straight up in the air, I don't want to be reaching for the shifter. That stuff looks cool, but mine is quicker if I can get the front end down by 60'. Not as much fun, but.....

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pardon my stupidity but if the front end is up in the air, what good is it doing you to have both hands on the steering wheel?
you got rear steering or something?

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Tom, I don't know how high, or how far out, your car carries the wheels, but I want mine ponted straight ahead when they hit the ground. Don't it darting one way or the other. I have a mark on my steering wheel for a reference. You may be a lot better than me, with a much faster car. I don't know.

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Ed, i'm not faster, but all I've ever raced with was a stick (except for a few street cars), i'm wondering why you need both hands on the wheel when it's up in the air and aside from maybe some serious bump steer issues on coming down. i'm not pointing fingers or looking for an argument, just asking

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Does anyone still use the governor shift on 1-2. I know back in the day that was a good choice for the quick 1-2 shift.
I guess that would still pass tech.

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Your stick car needs shifted with the front end way up in the air?
I raced stick cars a lot longer than I have an automatic, but only one ever needed shifted in the air, but not high enough I could not see the track, to I could tell where I was in my lane. The car I have now does. Bump steer has been corrected, but if the front wheels are not straight when they touch down...


If you run a stick car, it really does not apply to you, does it?

What car & class are you actually running right now?

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seeing as you seem to be looking for an argument, I guess i'll oblige.
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TURNING THE STEERING WHEEL UP IN THE AIR FOR????
and for the record, what does THAT have to do with shifting a stick OR auto?

and as far as what class i'm running is irrelevant to my question but at the moment, i'm not running ANY class, you got a problem with that?

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That's what I thought. LMAO!

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boy, you really got me there! (no wonder s/ss can't get new blood in it) but you're still dodging my question!

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Everyone leaves the line with both hands on the wheel (except maybe Wild Willie Borsch) because at some time a big steering correction was required to save the run. Much more difficult with one hand. This turns into habit and comfort.

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I meant you don't even race, but want to talk about rules that would not even apply to you, if you were actually even racing. Would it be that Rambler in your profile pic? A 13 or 14 second car?

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I was talking about last season and yes it's 14 second car (at 5800 ft)
btw, it started life as a stock class car but for unforeseen circumstances that got put on hold while I recovered. again, it has nothing to do with my question.
no, I don't not run "class" but I DO run in a stick-shift series....
and if I am able to ever run in stock, it WILL affect me

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So, "E Shift" being allowed in some of the older cars, in case you might race Stock again, is what you are concerned with?
Reaching for the shifter in a 14 second car is less of a deal than a nine second car.

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funny, i'm in the other lane (at times)with guys with low9/high 8 second cars that don't seem to have a problem finding a shifter....does make me a bit nervous with me not having a cage (but that's next)

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I really don't see what the big deal is, the EFI cars are allowed to run the Eshift and I know alot of people that cannot run Eshift in the older cars do the 1-2 shift by governor control. So what's all the excitement about. If you think its such an advantage why does everyone keep saying "how hard is it to shift your car?"
If you don't like it build a car where its allowed or petition NHRA to ban it all together!

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I've never left the line with two hands on the wheel in any car I've ever driven. Both my cars have to be shifted into second before 60 feet but that differs between small block/big block and gear ratios etc. The super stock car has to be shifted in the air on the way down from the wheelie or the run and the oil pan are both ruined. I don't think anyone understands what the new rule means. Just make it simple, for starters e-shift in anything pre-1994 should be illegal right? E-shift in any trans other than 4L60E should be illegal right? Just trying to figure this out because I could really use it in my stocker, sometimes I miss that 1-2 shift by 100-200 rpm and my run is affected more than I'd like. That's what somewhat keeps this a driver's game and forces someone to be on point every time they go down the track. Why take that away?

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That depends on who you ask , Bobby, and where you're teched.

So you wouldn't want it just for safety reasons?

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Get them to add "1994 or later" to the rule and I will gladly take mine out. Until then my computer controlled car will run Eshift but if they do I assume everyone will go to running the correct year transmission in their cars also.

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For safety reasons and for those wanting to keep two hands on the wheel, I'd say use a governor or switch to super stock.

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Now, that right there is the worst reason I've ever heard of for a rule change!
We're racing cars here not playing dominos.

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Just wanted to share an email I exchanged with Pat Cvengros.

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8kghj4bk.png

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Oh Eddie 4 speed. I ran my mid 13 sec. gremlin in stock for 11 years. I bet if I had put you in the car you couldn't have gotten the 1 to 2 shift right for quite a long time, maybe never. Just the facts.

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Different combos have the 1-2 come up quicker than others. Once we had a way to playback the run, we found that we typically over-revved the 1-2 and almost always shorted the rpm on the 3-4. It really was no big deal, we just adjusted our shift light. The problem was solved. No need for e shift there.

I think the difference here is how the automated shift is done in some stockers vs Superstocker SS?

I am waiting for someone to say they need a delay box for safety reasons next... :)

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I originally manually shifted mine, often while still in the air. Never was a problem.

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James, thanks for sharing with me the other day.

I was informed that NO FACTORY STOCK cars, COPO, Drag pack or Cobra jet can run any type of computer driven shifter (electric, air or internal solenoid).

All shifting in all these cars must be done by the driver, by hand. They were NOT delivered from the factory with computer shifted transmissions and there for not allowed for any reason what so ever to use one.

So unless a FS car is being shifted by hand, its not legal.

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If you can't shift a car by yourself why are you racing?

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You nailed it Ed !

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1992 would have been a 700R4 so as it is not shifted by the computer, it should not qualify for E-shift. I guess you could argue the lockup was controlled by the computer but that's stretching it.
NHRA really needs to clarify this issue but my vote would be if it's an electronic transmission that was original equipment to that model and it was originally shifted by the computer, e-shift. Otherwise, you have a choice between shifting it yourself or playing with the governor and leaving it in drive.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

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I don't race stock but I do race a super stock car. I don't know why NHRA would allow any stocker to run an auto shift if they don't allow all of the classes to run one. I say either all or none in stock. One should not have an advantage over the other in my book.

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I didn't write the rule ofcourse and I won't disagree with what you said either. Like I saI'd before it really didn't make any difference to me but if I can I will use it. I asked can I or can't I and got my answer. Ofcourse you have people asking "how hard is it to shift yourself" well answer is not much so why does everyone worry so much about it!

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Of course , this is entirely correct, but their reasoning for FS is diametrically opposed to that of allowing E-shift in pre-electric controlled transmission cars with EFI.

Let me elaborate, for those of you in Rio Linda:
(This might be all hearsay , because I haven't talked to PC lately..nor do I care to)
1977 Cadillac Seville, 350 EFI } E-shift okay
1977 Cadillac 425, 4 bbl} E-shift not okay
1987 Camaro , 305 EFI, 700 R4 trans with governor } E-shift okay.
2009-2018 A/FX factory ringers, various computer controlled EFI systems } EFI not okay.
Whew , boy...
Someone asked in another thread: "What do we get for our $360?"
Not much, apparently.