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If Ford and Chrysler sat in on this, then it tells me they left their satisfied that there will be something else, eventually.

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You can only recharge a dead battery so many times before you replace it.

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I could post some snide remark about this topic, just going to say I've lost interest in Pro Stock for a while now so I don't care what happens with the class

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Chevy engines for 2018, Dodge engines in 2019 and Ford engines in 2020. Problem solved.

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Can't imagine why Mopar would have bought into this given all the bad mouthing of them by the Elite team when they ran Darts. Everyone knows the 10,500 RPM limit killed the Hemi. If they did then Detroit Bob may be on point in that Mopar was 'offered' some enticement beyond 2018, perhaps some tweaks in the FS rules.

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I don't think factory stock will be quite as popular now that the slow cars can't jump back into the stock eliminator program. Time will tell on that as well. That's a big dollar class now.

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I don't think factory stock will be quite as popular now that the slow cars can't jump back into the stock eliminator program. Time will tell on that as well. That's a big dollar class now.

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The final nail in the Pro Stock coffin

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I've been a Pro Stock fan since the beginning. Dyno Don, Gapp & Roush and Bob Glidden gave me someone to cheer for being a Ford guy. Hoping Charlie Wescott could bring Ford back but since no Fords I cheered for the Mopars. With Allen Johnson pulling the plug I guess I'm done.

Jeff :(

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I would probably word that as "Non Qualifiers", not slow cars. Those cars are insane!

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The good old days, unfortunately there not coming back.

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I think they ruined it with the small FWD car bodies, the rev limit hurting the MOPAR cars the worst, and EFI. Still find making the NA power they make very impressive. Still my favorite Pro class. Certainly not what it was. I won't sit there to watch funny cars & dragsters.
We still have Comp and Super Stock, right?

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I agree 100 percent with Ed, but I also think us old-time guys need to remember that things change over time. Pro Stock isn't what we remember because the cars and the technology aren't what they used to be, either. One example; consider that the MOPAR Funny Cars are actually well-disguised 4-door sedans. Who would EVER have predicted that? And (sadly) the most exciting time for Pro Stock was in its formative years, when the cars were truly hand-fabricated and the guys who raced them, built them (and their engines). If all you could do was write a check, you didn't stand much of a chance. Like everything else in life, Pro Stock has "matured", and become almost corporate. Finally, people always think that when something goes away, it's monumental and world-shaking. Where are Junior Stock, Modified Eliminator, Top Gas, un-ported cylinder heads, OEM cranks and rods, tunnel rams, transmissions that don't cost $6,000, nothing but a helmet for safety equipment, etc.? Gone, and nobody even remembers them. I absolutely LOVED Pro Stock (it has long been the only Professional class I even watch), but I'm afraid its time has almost passed.

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The purist Pro Stock guys obviously wont like it and I agree with that but being able to campaign a Dodge or Mustang with power that can win a race and breaking up the 16 car Camaro field with different bodies will be a good thing.

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If that's the case, put an areodynamic carbon fiber box on the chassis, no brand or name. Is this supposed to pacify us, make us feel better? Basically for me it lost all meaning now, if the "war" is lost, why fight, over, done, go home.

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Someone please turn off the lights

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NHRA, obviously, still has a bad taste in their mouth from the Pro Stock Truck deal. I think it's forced their panning to more of a "Trump Obamacare" plan ! .... "Let them have what they want, and watch it implode."... Saves a bunch of legal fees, and requires much less mud to be washed off faces.

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ULTRA STOCK / current pro stock chassis, mountain motor come back
PRO STOCK / XX current late model back half super stock
SUPER STOCK / X current late model 10 inch tire car

dump top fuel
bigger purse for pro mod
throwing darts?

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Why not bring back weight breaks and carburetors since we're this far? Could probably get quite a few cars running the Altered classes to crossover...

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I suppose it would, but as a kid, when I realized that the Funny cars were all hemi powered, I didn`t look at the bodies or manufacturers the same way.
Mike A114

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If they had done this in the 70's and 80's would the Chevy guys still be as accepting of the class full of 351 Cleveland Vegas and Boss 429 Camaros?
Wonder if that is the real reason Allen Johnson retired/quit the class?

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Since the Camaro bodies look nothing like a street Camaro, the fact that now a Ford Mustang will have a Chevrolet motor in it holds no interest at all for me. Pro Stock was/is built around true brand rivalry. (Kinda like a certain Buick GS Top Stock car, the fans were thrilled to see Mr. Rix still had Buick power under the hood rather than a Chevy) It may have been diluted some to this point though nothing like this change will do to Pro Stock. Someone mentioned the trucks and the lawsuit...

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Good post, Tom
Would never fly back then.
That's when people understood why the word "Stock" was still in the title.

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I read an article where John Gaydosh said it might bring in the younger crowd with their toyotas. That would really be a kick in the nuts. Looking more like Nascars failed program with Toyotas, world car bodies and spec. engines.

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I lost all respect for "the pro's" a long time ago...now even pro stock is a joke.

This must be so all those homeboys wanting to run their Toyota's and Honda's in pro stock but were denied can race now...yeah, that's it...

As long as Toyota is spending the big $$$ to buy advertising like nascrap I guess its all right huh? 5 years maybe and you'll see a field of Toyota's.

Whatever, as was said, someone please turn the lights out. It's over.

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While the NHRA decision to allow any car/engine combo to race has brought out a lot of opinions about it........
None of our opinions matter. It's only the opinions of the paying spectators that matter. The bottom line is and will always be about the dollars. The opinions from sportsman racer matter very little. It's been a very very very long time since I have sat in the seats to watch any pro class make a pass.
Dan

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This could be the stupidest thing NHRA has done ever. They should change the name of the class as there is absolutely nothing "stock" about it anyway.

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Perhaps an attempt at twisted humor but see that Competition Plus started a poll asking their readers which body would they like to see approved for the "new body" in PS. See below:

Choices
DODGE CHALLENGER
CADILLAC CTS
FORD MUSTANG
TOYOTA CELICA
CHEVROLET CORVETTE
DODGE CHARGER
FORD FUSION

Like which manufacturer would make the investment to get any of those approved (excluding the already approved Mustang of course) just to see another GM motor leased from KB, Gray or Elite slid between the frame rails? Geez...but think I'll vote for the Toyota in keeping with NHRA's ongoing mockery of Pro Stock. Slide a PS class into Comp (ala PST) and promote Comp and give them decent $$$ and be done with it. Pro Mod will keep throwing the dirt in on the grave of PS. Having seen the early PS cars of Grumpy, Sox&Martin,Booth, Gapp&Roush, etc. in action this is sad indeed.

Change is inevitable but this will likely be the end of PS.

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Last few years it's been a Camaro class. With this change the teams will go with the most aerodynamic body and all cars will be that body. If they wanted more than one body style in competition this is not the answer.

Jeff :)

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Has anyone caught the Warren Johnson interview on the NHRA website in regard to the new rules for Pro Stock? Maybe I'm not reading him right, but is he looking for some bucks to get back in the game and develop a Hemi?

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This is my take on the interview, which is worth watching.

Warren has said all along that he and Kurt were ready to come back providing there was adequate funding available, He has always been adamant that he was not spending any of his own money.

I was surprised how enamored he was with the Mopar Pro Stock Hemi. However he said continued parts availability was a big deal to him and I don't know if the Mopar heads and blocks are still being cast.

His latest EFI engines have not been real impressive but I don't know if he had much of a budget to work on.

That being said being a Mopar guy I would love to see him back in the sport regardless of his engine and body choices.

Bill

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I saw on a Comp website, that someone suggested "run what cha brung".
Now that would be cool...a new Discovery TV series: Track Outlaws

Mike A114

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Now a few races into the season and trying to watch Pro Stock Camaro on TV is definitely painful. Witnessed the class born/evolve and PS has always been my favorite class but sad to say NHRA has killed it; think it would be more entertaining for fans to put Pro Mod in it's place. In fact Comp would put on a better show but most fans have no concept of indexes and handicap starts. Only drama I see in the class is the Elite/Gray/KB rivalry and of course watching a young spoiled kid grow up under a lot of exposure/pressure.

Stick a fork in it NHRA.

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What happened to the meaning of Pro Stock ?

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Actually I think Pro stock is better this year than it has been in a long time. I watched the Atlanta race yesterday and the racing was very close. Several runs were won by hole shots. Now that things have leveled out with the fuel injection there is about half the field that can win at any time. It was cool to see Matt Hartford win a few weeks ago for the first time. Say what you want about the Gray kid. He may be spoiled but he head proved he can drive a race car. I am not a big fan of his but he is a threat to win every week. The class is still not healthy but none of the pro classes are. The fuel show was pitiful yesterday. Not many side by side close races. Track prep must have been the deciding factor. It would be nice to see other brands represented and competitive. It's a drivers and chases tuners class now. Seems like most of the cars have the hp under the hood now to be competitive. Lots of winners so far this season.

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You are exactly right factory Showdown FS/XX is already the new Pro/Stock it now has Pro drivers and factory supported cars. A new Copo is 125 grand and it requires another 75 grand to get ready to be able to qualify and it is only in 7 races waiting to see if they expand it next season to kill off Pro/stock. It is now what pro/stock was when it started.

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Those 7 events leaves out half the country there is not one event anywhere near the west coast. If it doesn't get expanded in a big way for next season it will stay a small part of the picture and have little affect on prostock.

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Well nhra can follow nascar as nascar with there chevy powerd toyota's
keep losing fans to the point that its for sale. no crystal ball needed here

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I second that . . .