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Steve Stasko 02-05-2018 08:53 PM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
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Originally Posted by OLD GUY (Post 555212)
The Classification is correct. Believe Jason McCormack and Arlen Vanke had the only two 66 cars. Both were 4 speed cars, with radio, heater, sound deadener delete, hood scoop and battery in trunk. My info source says they were actually Chrysler cars. There was a lot of advertising back then that never came to pass in 66 or 67 model run years.

I seem to recall that the McCormack car is a '67 that was re-trimmed as a '66. As for Vanke's car...No scoop...

https://preview.ibb.co/jh9k0c/181429...17131577_n.jpg

Mark Yacavone 02-05-2018 09:48 PM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
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Originally Posted by Coleydog (Post 555250)
Are we talking about different famous lady's? The one I'm taking about should be in jail.
Mike

I know you are, and it ain't gonna happen. Just like no one is going to be able to race a 68 Camaro with a 427 and a cowl induction hood and some bogus paperwork ,40 years after the fact.

Grey Ghost 02-05-2018 11:21 PM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 555219)
And yet, NHRA won't accept a 67 L-88 Corvette.

There were 20 1967 L-88 vettes produced. The 1966 plymouth hemi cars numbered jn the thousands. We're not discussing a body/motor combination. We are discussing if there was a hood scoop/battery relocate option for this model. Big difference.

Grey Ghost 02-05-2018 11:26 PM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
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Originally Posted by OLD GUY (Post 555231)
The 2780543 and 2780544 are one and the same Street Hemi intake. For some unknown reason Chrysler saw fit to have 2 casting numbers on the Street Hemi intake. As far as I know all Street Hemi intakes have those two casting numbers on them. So to answer your question the 2780544 casting number is just one of the two casting numbers and not a separate number for a different design manifold.

Thank you for your posts. Very helpful

Billy Nees 02-06-2018 08:26 AM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
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Originally Posted by Grey Ghost (Post 555269)
There were 20 1967 L-88 vettes produced. The 1966 plymouth hemi cars numbered jn the thousands. We're not discussing a body/motor combination. We are discussing if there was a hood scoop/battery relocate option for this model. Big difference.

Based on that premise, cross-ram Z-28s should be legal. Keep talking.

Grey Ghost 02-06-2018 09:44 AM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 555283)
Based on that premise, cross-ram Z-28s should be legal. Keep talking.

I'm sure it's been discussed with NHRA...ask them. Maybe it needs an Edelbrock #.

OLD GUY 02-06-2018 02:43 PM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Grey Ghost (Post 555269)
There were 20 1967 L-88 vettes produced. The 1966 plymouth hemi cars numbered jn the thousands. We're not discussing a body/motor combination. We are discussing if there was a hood scoop/battery relocate option for this model. Big difference.

Reference previous post. There was advertising for options but no order option code.

OLD GUY 02-06-2018 02:49 PM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Stasko (Post 555252)
I seem to recall that the McCormack car is a '67 that was re-trimmed as a '66. As for Vanke's car...No scoop...

https://preview.ibb.co/jh9k0c/181429...17131577_n.jpg

Never saw any of Arlens cars that didn't have his name plastered on them. Are you just trying to show what a stock 66 Belvedere I looked like??

Dwight Southerland 02-06-2018 03:03 PM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
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Originally Posted by OLD GUY (Post 555306)
Reference previous post. There was advertising for options but no order option code.

L88 is the option code.

Steve Stasko 02-06-2018 09:27 PM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD GUY (Post 555308)
Never saw any of Arlens cars that didn't have his name plastered on them. Are you just trying to show what a stock 66 Belvedere I looked like??

No, that is Arlen's '66 Hemi Belvedere I. The team car to the '66 Hemi Belvedere was a '63 Max Wedge Plymouth Wagon that Arlen built for Bill Abraham, it was painted and lettered very similar to the Belvedere.

Chevy55 02-07-2018 06:12 PM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
Off topic but here's an old jem that I thought would interest the Mopar guys.

https://images.craigslist.org/00s0s_...u_1200x900.jpg
https://images.craigslist.org/00Y0Y_...QQ_600x450.jpg

https://longisland.craigslist.org/ct...487999538.html

Coleydog 02-09-2018 12:27 AM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 555261)
I know you are, and it ain't gonna happen. Just like no one is going to be able to race a 68 Camaro with a 427 and a cowl induction hood and some bogus paperwork ,40 years after the fact.

Funny you mention that. Not knowing all the facts about Chevys, but back around 70 two close friends who where racing a 55 in modified production wanted to step up to a better car. So they decided to use Allens 68 Camero which had a 427 in it (he said he ordered it that way) well they ended up trading the 427 for a 302 out of Pee Wees 69 Z28. The Two partners, Standfield & Duerden, Gregg's Standfields uncle. Thanks for shaking the memory tree.
Mike

Grey Ghost 02-12-2018 12:28 PM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD GUY (Post 555212)
The Classification is correct. Believe Jason McCormack and Arlen Vanke had the only two 66 cars. Both were 4 speed cars, with radio, heater, sound deadener delete, hood scoop and battery in trunk. My info source says they were actually Chrysler cars. There was a lot of advertising back then that never came to pass in 66 or 67 model run years.

Would the scoop on those 2 cars have been the 65 scoop or the scoop used on the 67s?

4406mopar 02-12-2018 01:48 PM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
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Originally Posted by Grey Ghost (Post 555864)
Would the scoop on those 2 cars have been the 65 scoop or the scoop used on the 67s?


The curve at the rear edge of the hood is different, scoops won't interchange too well.

Rat Patrol 06-08-2021 05:08 AM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
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Originally Posted by Steve Stasko (Post 555013)
1966 Hemi Plymouths are not rare. 1966 is the highest production model year for all 426 Hemi cars from 1966-71.

As far as the scoop thing...

There are some internal memos floating around that describe a proposed package for the 1966 model year. It never got any further than that though. There was never any paperwork or information released to the public. The '67 car package is similar to the '66 package, but a little more tamed down. I seem to recall that the '66 package was to include a '65 style engine, I may be wrong on that though.

As far as the hood scoop, they were all steel on the '67 cars, and even the '65 cars for that matter. The '65 and '67 scoops are different. As for fiberglass scoops, it's either a repop or a '65 A/FX scoop, which would be noticeably different than the standard '67 scoop.

I do not agree with scoops on the '66 cars, and I'm a Mopar guy. The scoop does not offer much for a performance advantage in the way of "fresh" air, but in S/S I guess it would help with a taller intake if one would go that route.

Side note...I don't believe the '67 package cars were officially announced until very late '66, if not early '67. From my research, Sox and Landy were running standard hood cars at the AHRA Winters, and NHRA Winters in '67. I have determined that RO/WO production did not start until late February or early March of '67, and lasted for 6-8 weeks in small batches. While the cars did have sequential Shipping Order numbers, the VIN number spread between the earliest and latest cars I have recorded is quite large dispelling the "two batch" theory that has been purported by many.

Absolutely correct. Nosuch thing as an ‘RO23’ 66. Vanke didn’t mod the intake until end of year 66 - all 67RO23s were built Feb16 1967.....

That guys story about a ‘66’ RO23 has holes all the way through - Maybe his was a ‘super duty’ Belvedere? ......

Henrys Toy 06-08-2021 06:59 AM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
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Originally Posted by Paul Precht (Post 554861)
The metric 200 is a big plus for the GM guys, I wish the 904 TF would bolt up to a BB Chrysler, not quite as good as a 727 Pro Trans but about 7 thousand dollars cheaper.

Good morning to all,
Does one of the Bellhousing Mfg.'s make a "bolt-on" B motor Bell for the 904 TorqueFlite? Maybe someone like JW ? I currently have another project in the works that might require some thing similar. Just a idle thought.
Have a good day!

Respectfully,
Henry Kunz

Steve Stasko 06-08-2021 09:43 AM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol (Post 641615)
Absolutely correct. Nosuch thing as an ‘RO23’ 66. Vanke didn’t mod the intake until end of year 66 - all 67RO23s were built Feb16 1967.....

That guys story about a ‘66’ RO23 has holes all the way through - Maybe his was a ‘super duty’ Belvedere? ......

All R0 cars were not built on that date, if you have proof that says otherwise, please share it. I have worked with a couple '67 R0 owners to put together as much VIN/Shipping Order data as possible (currently over 50% of built cars), and can comfortably say that these cars were built in packs over the course of a few weeks.

These cars have a spread of 16,000 numbers from the lowest VIN '67 R0/W0 to the highest vin. While it has been proven that Chrysler did not assemble cars in sequential vin order, the spread on these cars is much too far apart them to have been built within the same day, or even week for that matter. The shipping order numbers do seem to be sequential on the other hand, which would tell me that Chrysler set aside 110 car orders, to be filled as the units were sold/ordered by their respective dealers. The shipping order numbers do not directly correlate with the VIN numbers in any way.

Paul Precht 06-08-2021 09:44 AM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Henrys Toy (Post 641618)
Good morning to all,
Does one of the Bellhousing Mfg.'s make a "bolt-on" B motor Bell for the 904 TorqueFlite? Maybe someone like JW ? I currently have another project in the works that might require some thing similar. Just a idle thought.
Have a good day!

Respectfully,
Henry Kunz

Hi Henry, how's everything. The JW was accepted years ago but then removed I think, not sure if anyone had done it, might have been SS only. With all of the options the 4 spd cars have as well as Ford and GM auto's the BBM gets one option, a Pro-Trans, which is great if you have 9-10K to spend on a trans and convertor,the 727 is a huge power robber, Paul.

Rat Patrol 07-27-2021 03:10 AM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
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Originally Posted by Steve Stasko (Post 641629)
All R0 cars were not built on that date, if you have proof that says otherwise, please share it. I have worked with a couple '67 R0 owners to put together as much VIN/Shipping Order data as possible (currently over 50% of built cars), and can comfortably say that these cars were built in packs over the course of a few weeks.

These cars have a spread of 16,000 numbers from the lowest VIN '67 R0/W0 to the highest vin. While it has been proven that Chrysler did not assemble cars in sequential vin order, the spread on these cars is much too far apart them to have been built within the same day, or even week for that matter. The shipping order numbers do seem to be sequential on the other hand, which would tell me that Chrysler set aside 110 car orders, to be filled as the units were sold/ordered by their respective dealers. The shipping order numbers do not directly correlate with the VIN numbers in any way.

Only going on what Jim Schilds book ‘Maximum Performance’ states - Page 117 in the ‘Tech Specs’ plate.

‘Since all RO/WO cars were built on Feb 12, the build date code will be 212’.

I did say Feb 16...my bad.

So clearly he has a different understanding to yours. :cool:

Anyhow, my main reason for dredging this thread up was to kill the myth that the ‘O23’ induction package was available in 66-

Damn...the cars weren’t even ready for the 67 Winternats!

bigshow2966 07-28-2021 01:28 PM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Henrys Toy (Post 641618)
Good morning to all,
Does one of the Bellhousing Mfg.'s make a "bolt-on" B motor Bell for the 904 TorqueFlite? Maybe someone like JW ? I currently have another project in the works that might require some thing similar. Just a idle thought.
Have a good day!

Respectfully,
Henry Kunz

Keith Long (727specialists) was doing BB 904's, but I think he ran into not being able to get bellhousings anymore. His number is 219/718-3542.

qwiked 07-29-2021 06:23 PM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 555160)
No...like the famous lady said "Never mind"

We have another famous lady in the “staging lanes”..only a matter of time..

Grey Ghost 07-30-2021 08:30 AM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
https://www.hemmings.com/stories/202...ign=2021-07-23

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/202...krista-baldwin

From the Nostalgia section. 67 post car

Rat Patrol 08-05-2021 07:46 PM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
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Originally Posted by Grey Ghost (Post 644483)

How a ‘1 of none’ car was allowed to race in NHRA SS/B is beyond me🤔

Minimum build numbers for that division was 50 units in 1967.

And I’m Mopar all through....but allowing this car was tough on the RO23 guys.

Brett C 08-06-2021 05:18 PM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
Anybody interested in a street car like this?

Jim Wahl 08-10-2021 01:10 PM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 555160)
No...like the famous lady said "Never mind"

She did too! Rosanne Rosanna Danna. (Laugh In) Certainly a "famous lady".




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jimi 08-10-2021 03:29 PM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 555017)
Just an FYI, when you're looking to find out what was REALLY available on these cars, look at the B-J and Mecum cars. I'd love to hear the sellers explanation for the LD340 on his mint, super low mileage 71 Demon when he's asking 40 or 50 K for it.

"explanation"

in 1975 the factory two ton cast iron intake manifold cracked in the heat riser which gave it a vacuum leak and the factory replacement was aluminum made for Chrysler by Edelbrock. factory cast iron intakes were not available anymore.

this paragraph can be used and substituted for any vehicle manufacturer or replacement part.

hope this cleared things up for you Billy

Billy Nees 08-10-2021 03:39 PM

Re: 1966 Ply Belvedere
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 555017)
Just an FYI, when you're looking to find out what was REALLY available on these cars, look at the B-J and Mecum cars. I'd love to hear the sellers explanation for the LD340 on his mint, super low mileage 71 Demon when he's asking 40 or 50 K for it.

Good one Jimi but I'll say again, when you're looking to find out what was REALLY available on these cars, look at the B-J and Mecum cars.
Your "explanation" ain't gonna fly when there's big money hitting the table. ;-)


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