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Let the letter writing begin! Now a lot of stuff that was not original will be deleted! 3 speeds back to 2! Amongst others! NHRA has opened a big can of worms!

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correct billy ... and available behind every combo except highest HP 348 and 6 cylinders, in 57 only 283's !!!!!!!!!!!

took me 3 years to get it in books and damn if they didnt give em to everyone 1 year later

captain

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Thank you Billy Nees.for making this happen
I agree about the transmission deal. But not one of you Chrysler and Mopar guys will admit the intake is bogus Be real ! Us Chevy people are stuck with factory intakes and heads. I wish I could get anything aftermarket intake for my poor Chevy.
You guys are getting 1 year free enjoy while it last.
I gotta ask. Do you really think the Chrysler would have beaten the camaro heads up without out the bogus heads and intake ? Don’t think so

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That can opened when they allowed this stuff in the first place. It will take more effort to get those worms back in the can.

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Flying Hawaiian your the man 99% of the time, but I will trade the junk edelbrock mopar heads for the good iron replacements being used on 327 and 350's right now.

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I've got a sneaking feeling that won't last.

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Yep, it reminds me also of the flycut piston domes on the Chevy Big Blocks so the would not hit the piston domes... :D ...or the approved and improved aluminum Big Block heads... :D

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Just for the record James, it wasn't me. It was the SRAC.

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This change is really very much to our Benefit......
We run two 71 340 Demons with Iron heads and
intakes and our 1.0 under stuff might have
a better chance now that our competition that
ran 1.5 under is slightly hampered.

When the Alum. heads became legal a few years back......I
call the gentleman who did my heads for 20 years and talked
to him about a couple sets. he quoted me around $12,000 to
$13,000 for each set.....Way beyond our budget (I have children and
grand children that like to eat every day)! Currently we race in class the Alum. heads 340 and they
are factored a D*mn 15 to 20 Horsepower LESS in the same engines and
bodies.

That being said......A lot of us have struggled
to afford to run Stock with all the changing
rules.

If NHRA start changing a lot of different rules at
this point in time......We will have to walk away
and stop after racing stock for after over 50 years!

Add some more changes and confusion and the resulting
uncertainty will probably make others walk away as well.
Not everyone has the funds to buy a bunch of new pieces
to replace the thing that have changed over last 30 years!

The famed Bobby Warren in the 70s had this on the back of his Nova:

"A few men have become reasonably well off thru Drag Racing......
Of course they were Millionaires before they started"

That holds much more true now 40 years later!



John Irving E/SA

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Here's one more, put hydraulic lifters back into hydraulic engines. No reason to basterize hydraulic to solid, the horse power was calculated with oem lifters, if you change it up, you should be rated to the horse power of an engine close to the cubic inches that came from the factory with solids.

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

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But these intakes didn't make any extra horsepower. So, not a big deal.

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OK...Thanks Billy. I thought they did but did not want to sound like I lost my mind.....AGAIN.

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How about 20 lbs off the nose ?

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Come on Mr Wong. That’s lawyer talk lol.
Can’t convince a former grudge racer aluminum isn’t better

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Maybe they work better on Chebbies but every Mopar engine builder and racer I have talked to says the edlebrock heads are junk and take a ton of work and money to equal the cast iron head. The only advantage is weight off the nose.

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This thread may last a good long while.

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Brings back some memories...

I had a 1960 Chevrolet Impala 4 door Station Wagon with a 283 and a TurboGlide....

I especially like the Gr in place of L....

Blew it up on the San Mateo Bridge going to Fremont in 1966...

But I did keep it and replaced the engine and trans with a 350HP 327 and a wide ratio 4 speed and used it as a driver for years...

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Wasn't using the bogus heads.

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By golly Larry, don't interject reality into this rant I'm enjoying it far too much!

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Great attitude to keep Stock stock!!!!!

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Not all!!

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Just curious......how many combos would a return to pressed in rocker studs affect, and when was that exception allowed?

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I'm not 100% sure when it was allowed to use the screw in studs with the jam nut that required milling the stud boss down but they allowed pinning the studs back in around 1961 and 1962 on the Chevy 409 SS/S cars. Then they started to use the screw in studs that were threaded without the jam nut later. Hell that was 58 years ago. I have trouble remembering what I had for breakfast this morning now....

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As someone who has rebuilt and driven quite a few Turboglides and Buick Flightpitches in their day I have a hard time calling them a 3 speed. I guess you could call a Dynaflow a 4 speed if you use the same analysis, a twin turbine converter in front of a 2 speed transmission. I don't blame you Jack but I have my doubts about the guy that approved it.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

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This is interesting

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If memory serves me right ,the turboglides were only available in panel wagons ..ie bell telephones panel wagons ,work related,..ect.....were accepted later in station wagons by NHRA....could be wrong .......most people weren't even born 60 years ago ,so who can tell.

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Turboglides were available in regular production cars I believe. Saw a few but not very many. I am plenty old enough to remember those cars from my UTE ....lol

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turboglide

I will admit, for the uninitiated , this does sound like brain surgery (I would guess), but the TG did in fact use 3 drive turbines. No detectable shift , but still within the paradigm of a 3 speed transmission...in my opinion.

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My parents had a 57 Belair with a Turboglide from the factory. After it failed the second time my Dad had the dealer replace it with Turboglide.

Gary

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I was trying to type Powerglide when I said replace it with——-

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I hope this post started with a 55 gallon drum since everyone is taking a piss in it. There are several posts from Dan Fahey about Pure Stock. Lots of pissing and moaning about the class entering NHRA.. And boy, these comments seems to be calling for that class.

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jim mantle .... turbo glide has two planetaries and a direct drive .... how could it not be 3 speed .... low gearset was billed as GRADE RETARD for going downhill , hence the GR on the shift plate...

also had the twin convertor ....
my dad said its downfall was pumps inability to maintain enough pressure to keep slippage down so they were junk after 30-40,000 miles

captain

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-rLTiix-d0


second link....

http://srmncrauto.blogspot.com/2015/...nsmission.html

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Stock became Super Stock without the unlimited high lift cam!
Todays Stocker run quicker and faster than yesterday’s Super Stockers with less lift!

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Delusional Dan

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Paul… 375/396 Pistons? Please tell me more. MB

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Opening a can of worms...:D

With the current camshafts in used, there is no way the valves will clear the piston dome. Many years ago, in the 1900's, a racer asked me to stop by his home to check why his new Crane Cams Stocker cam would not clear his pistons.
He believed he was doing something wrong. After checking the cam, the cam was not the problem; it was the piston domes. After making a few phone calls, I learned many were having their pistons flycut to be able to run the cams.
Having compared the current approved pistons versus the original, and they are very different. I assume someone may have sent a modified piston to NHRA to get approval of the alternate approved pistons.

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Huh, that's weird, because a friend of mine used to run the approved TRW L2242F30 pistons with a Lunati stocker cam and no issues. This would have been back in the early to mid 1980's. They had unmodified top domes and his heads were the #840 castings IIRC.

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In the mid 1980's they still checked duration and overlap. After changing the rules allowing any duration and overlap, everything changed. The lobes, duration and overlap changed.

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Yepper.......That's how it happened !