CLASS RACER FORUM
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

CLASS RACER FORUM (https://classracer.com/classforum/index.php)
-   Stock and Super Stock (https://classracer.com/classforum/forumdisplay.php?f=3)
-   -   Fontana divisional rumor (https://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=69842)

X-TECH MAN 05-11-2018 08:39 AM
Re: Fontana divisional rumor
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by S/ST J718 (Post 562948)
That's funny do you know me..... LOL
No but gas is still $2.63 here in Fla. where I'm at. You can thank Jerry Brown for the $4+ a gallon gas !

ksa2221 05-11-2018 10:23 AM
Re: Fontana divisional rumor
 
I hate to get political here but we have lost foucs of our. Goal maximizing car counts making a little round money enjoying our sport the friends along the way in division 2 we started having 2 day friday and Saturday with no clean up for new arrives most working men and women work Monday -Friday. The working person may have to travel all night after work on Friday but still wakes up with the same dream of his Wally the problem is that truck driver Plummer i.e. Tradesman that has paid his dues for 35 years can't seam to get his grade points or even think about a national event entry in his division I know of several dedicated racers that have supported this program for 35 or paying memberships loosing hope I know of at least 10 stockers and super stockers in my area just sitting anyone know why??? Im pretty fortunate I'm single own a couple company's l can come and go when ever let's start on wendsday at 9 race till noon go to lunch at 12 play around of golf and go home at 5 I'll be on the boat Friday by 3 forget about the other guy there only be 10 or of us it be fun for couple more weekends let's go !!!!

Jim Caughlin 05-11-2018 11:12 AM
Re: Fontana divisional rumor
 
Kinda sounds to me like this is going to happen whether anyone likes it or not. Just make the blanket 'We talked to the racers and they all loved the idea' statement...

novassdude 05-11-2018 11:51 AM
Re: Fontana divisional rumor
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin (Post 562920)
Explain to me how this is the same? Under this situation, you have to pay the extra test and tune fee to get the runs on Friday that used to be included in the previous three day entry fee plus they don't count toward qualifying and that's fair?

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019
Jim notice I said pretty much the same not the same. Is it perfect nope but in My opinion (witch means absolutely nothing) it is at least better than the Friday Saturday 2 day plan.

Mike Gray 05-11-2018 11:52 AM
Re: Fontana divisional rumor
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by D7D (Post 562927)
At almost all D7 LODRS events, racers in each category get three qualifying/time trial runs. This event's expected car count (based on previous years) is such that we can accomplish this in a single day and allow for all eliminations on Sunday (no Saturday first rounds for fields over 64). This WAS done to help racers with saving time off and lowering the overall cost of competing in this event/series. I spoke with a number of racers about this last year explaining that I wanted to try and do a couple more events in this format to help everyone and hopefully increase participation a bit. Nobody I spoke with was against this idea.

Will the track make a little more $$? I certainly hope so as they are saving a day of insurance, wages, track prep materials, etc. Will it make NHRA more money? Not really, as the amount saved by not having a few tech personnel on Thursday, plus the associated costs (wages, hotel, etc.) will most likely be offset by running an extra three hours with a full crew on Saturday, and possibly make Sunday a little longer as well.

For those that haven't noticed, we've also made some changes at the previous two events to try and grow participation in the SST and SMC categories by only having one run on Friday and two Saturday. While I didn't expect an overnight increase, I'm still positive that this format will increase those classes going forward.

The events at Phoenix and Las Vegas have car counts large enough that this format would not work. For those events that this would work, I can't see any negative it. I appreciate all comments as to why you would be for/against, just want to make sure that facts are laid out as Kyle did.

Mike
This was the way I remember it back in the 80's and 90's. I would leave Friday after work (LA area) and I could make any Division 7 track by 1 or 2 am catch some sleep in the truck, tech Saturday morning 3 time trials and race on Sunday. Head home Sunday afternoon and be back early enough to get some sleep before work on Monday. No time off from work except when I went to Nationals.
When did it change?
I guess I would be one not to ask what is best because I'm going to retire in 19 months and it looks like the new car won't be completed until then. Just keep the tracks open and I'll be there any day.

Jim Caughlin 05-11-2018 12:33 PM
Re: Fontana divisional rumor
 
OK so I will use Sears Point as an example as I have run that divisional numerous times and intend to run it this year also. No matter how hard I try, it seems like it takes 12 hours travel time to get there. Based on that, leaving at 6AM, I still don't get in the gate before it closes and end up stuck in the holding pen until the following morning. Based on that, you better be ready to move in at the crack of dawn in order to get a pit spot, get everything unloaded and ready, get inline for tech and (as Stock and SS usually run early) hope that the tech line moves quickly. Of course this all assumes that nothing unexpected comes up. Next, maybe you haven't noticed but Stockers and Super Stockers 'occasionally' break things (at least mine does), better hope that doesn't happen because there is no contingency timewise to get it fixed and still get a legitimate qualifying run (or maybe one at all). All in all, this doesn't sound like a fun filled weekend to me. Not exactly a friendly proposition that encourages car count for the long haul racers to participate in. Please explain again, if there is no financial benefit to cutting the schedule down to two days, what do we get out of this?

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019

S/ST J718 05-11-2018 12:49 PM
Re: Fontana divisional rumor
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 562954)
No but gas is still $2.63 here in Fla. where I'm at. You can thank Jerry Brown for the $4+ a gallon gas !
X-TECH, what I was posting is what I saw, Calling me names as if I live in SoCa is wrong (not that living in Cally is wrong in my book) I'm was born is Arizona and live in Arizona.......LMAO

X-TECH MAN 05-11-2018 02:10 PM
Re: Fontana divisional rumor
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by S/ST J718 (Post 562972)
X-TECH, what I was posting is what I saw, Calling me names as if I live in SoCa is wrong (not that living in Cally is wrong in my book) I'm was born is Arizona and live in Arizona.......LMAO
When did I call YOU a name ?????

Joe Schweigert 05-11-2018 02:49 PM
Re: Fontana divisional rumor
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 562903)
LOL.......You go Commiefornia !
I think this might be it . this is a big State and we do have two different views here just one over shadows the other

mikeloge 05-11-2018 03:39 PM
Re: Fontana divisional rumor
 
Lot of good banter here. But where is mike graham finding diesel for $3.09

buzzinhalfdozen 05-11-2018 04:05 PM
Re: Fontana divisional rumor
 
Boy there sure is a lot of negative feelings here, it's a wonder anyone attends a race. Me I'd love a 2 day divisional, no days off work which in reality doesn't save me money but allows me to make money for 1 more day. however here in Div. 3 the car counts would prohibit such a deal.

voltdr 05-11-2018 05:02 PM
Re: Fontana divisional rumor
 
If I remember correctly, Fontana does not have lights for night racing. If that is still that way, It makes thing problematical for finishing the race, what if there are any lengthy delays.....
Dan

Joe Schweigert 05-11-2018 05:51 PM
Re: Fontana divisional rumor
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by voltdr (Post 562986)
If I remember correctly, Fontana does not have lights for night racing. If that is still that way, It makes thing problematical for finishing the race, what if there are any lengthy delays.....
Dan
When I was at the Open they did have lights spread out all over the place including the track looked like LED banks on trailers with solar panels...........I actually like the two day race but that's me when, I hate burning up vacation time if I don't need to. Everyone that has commented has valid points the extra day is great if you have problems at the track I assume that we get three hits on Saturday? As far as delays we all know how that works you loss the last qualifier on Saturday and if Sunday runs on you finish somewhere else and/or another date

Jim Caughlin 05-11-2018 07:54 PM
Re: Fontana divisional rumor
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen (Post 562984)
Boy there sure is a lot of negative feelings here, it's a wonder anyone attends a race. Me I'd love a 2 day divisional, no days off work which in reality doesn't save me money but allows me to make money for 1 more day. however here in Div. 3 the car counts would prohibit such a deal.
I don't have any 'negative feelings' and it sure isn't going to affect whether I race or not but I don't appreciate someone 'enhancing' the schedule and then having the gall to tell me that they are doing me a favor.

Two things that have to be taken into consideration about Div 6 &7; the tracks are significantly spread out, 4 hours is a short tow, 8-12 is more common and 20+ hours is a possibility. Also, it rains a lot out here, we're going to have a lot more rainouts when we only have one day for qualifying and no options to catch up. Now your 2 day divisional turns into and added weekend plus the travel time, how's that for enhancing your schedule?

Rory McNeil 05-12-2018 02:24 AM
Re: Fontana divisional rumor
 
Like Jim said, the tracks on the West coast are pretty spread out. I live near Vancouver BC Canada, about an hour from Mission Raceway, Pacific and Bremerton are 3 1/2-4 hours away each, Woodburn Oregon is about 6 1/2 hours, Boise ID is about 12 hours. Here in Div. 6, the Seattle National event , at 3 1/2 hours is not too bad, BUT, my next "closest" National event is Sonoma CA, about 20 hours 1 way. If a Div 6 racer wants to get his allotted quota of Nat`l events, he either has to travel to California, Arizona, and Nevada twice, early and late in the season. Thats a lot of travel time and days off, not to mention fuel costs.
By comparison, I recently spent 8 days in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and New York. In that short tme, I visited 5 drag strips (Maple Grove, Beaver Springs,Numidia, Atco, and South Mountain), all within about 2 hours of each other. And a racer told me that if you allowed a 3 hour tow, there were 2 more tracks nearby! Envious, you bet!

Ed Wright 05-12-2018 12:53 PM
Re: Fontana divisional rumor
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen (Post 562984)
Boy there sure is a lot of negative feelings here, it's a wonder anyone attends a race. Me I'd love a 2 day divisional, no days off work which in reality doesn't save me money but allows me to make money for 1 more day. however here in Div. 3 the car counts would prohibit such a deal.
Joe, nobody has to take off work to show up on Friday at three day races. We have guys show up Saturday mornings.

What I was told was that the NHRA workers did not want to put in that many days.
Too hard on them.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:36 AM.
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright Class Racer.com. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners.