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Are You All Really So Nieve That You Believe That Nhra Would Abolish Two Steps?
You Don' Think That Major Sponsors Such As Msd, Mallory, Accel That Have A Serious Stake In This Issue Would Allow It? Hand Operated Buttons Will Be Gone, But Not Two Steps. |
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I think most of us have taken for granted that we are speaking about automatics, instead of writing "except for stick cars" in every post. You're alright, Trevor. :)
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Let me see, I have had a two step in my stocker since 1988, I have won maybe 2 bracket races since then....and no NHRA races. Really.....2 steps are like beer and ugly people having sex, it doesn't mean you are going to get lucky, just improves your odds....
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Ok lets all go back to line locks and two steps. Years ago I had my two step hooked up to my line lock (that's the way my car came ). In order for the car not to move I had to have my two step set about 1800 rpm in deep. That's on the fronts wheels. Some cars that are in in areas that don't rust use there line lock on the rear wheels... No no..... So how do u feel this works, we can no longer go in deep..
And when can u use dual rear calipers? Are we all hemi cars? As far as auto shifts every car out there except manual tans shifted AUTOMATIC from the factory. So we are STOCKERS so they should all shift by them selves that's what the crying is saying... It doesnt matter what button, two step, line lock and e-shift we all have the same great people will keep wining and the same losers will keep whining..... |
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"I think most of us have taken for granted that we are speaking about automatics, instead of writing "except for stick cars" in every post. You're alright, Trevor.
Stick cars are cool." No Mike, if we loose em, the stick cars better loose em as well. The stick cars have come along way in 25 years. (I'm planning to build a 67 Fairlane with a stick) Transmissions that don't need a clutch to shift and are much better than the earlier ones, Nice soft clutches. A stick car is very hard to drive but it is not as hard as it was when guys had 3800# clutches, super T10's and Top Loaders ect. Why don't we keep two Steps but have auto cars make them activate with the brake pedal , and no link loc hooked to them. That would work fine. Todd Hoven 1035 NHRA STK |
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>>How do you foot brake with a stick car? You dont! Take the 2step away and the stick car is screwed while the automatic car is not.
YARGH! I can fix that with the use of the factory computer.... >>No Mike, if we loose em, the stick cars better loose em as well. Are you scared of a guy with a stick! What is the big deal here... footbrake cars should leave on the footbrake, and stick cars should leave on the wood! BTW, I still shift with the clutch. Stock clutch, and stock tranny, and takin names at local tracks (when we dont have a water leak problem). |
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We are talking about NHRA CLASS CARS. NOT IHRA. NHRA DOSENT HAVE A CLASS WHERE A GUY CAN BUILD A BRACKET CAR AND CALL IT A STOCKER ALA CM CLASS, OR A CLASS WHERE A GUY CAN BUY A 200 HP STREET CAR AND RACE IT. THIS IS A POSSIBLE NHRA RULE CHANGE SO NHRA GUYS SHOULD DECIDE IT. Bring your Pure Stock car to a div one event and your sucess will be limited.
Todd Hoven 1035 NHRA Stk P.S. Why can't we just leave the rules alone so we can all race? >>How do you foot brake with a stick car? You dont! Take the 2step away and the stick car is screwed while the automatic car is not. YARGH! I can fix that with the use of the factory computer.... >>No Mike, if we loose em, the stick cars better loose em as well. Are you scared of a guy with a stick! What is the big deal here... footbrake cars should leave on the footbrake, and stick cars should leave on the wood! BTW, I still shift with the clutch. Stock clutch, and stock tranny, and takin names at local tracks (when we dont have a water leak problem). |
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Thanks Todd...Nice post! But now your pickin on them I-side guys...They dont take to kindly to that! Look out for Beard and Piatek now! Theyre fixin to tell you how hard I-side racing is, and if you think you can win come on over and try! Problem is trying to find them hole-in-tha-wall tracks, most are only 1/8 mile races anyway! haaahaaaha!
Oh...LouisJeffery...Im happy to see that they let you run your pro/et maverick in stock...Thats nice of them! Your worried about 2-steps when your driving a car that never existed! Makes sense in a screwed up IHRA way of looking at it! |
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Wow, this has kind of gotten out of hand, as usual. Is it too much to ask that people have an opinion based discussion without throwing jabs? Remember, this post was only started to give people the chance to give their input to NHRA. It does not single out anyone, it does not mean that buttons make you a cheater, it doesn't mean that anyone is any better than anyone else. Lets keep this on topic. Also, NHRA will probably only take their racers opinion, which is understandable. As far as stick cars, I don't know. Never raced one, so I can't have an opinion on that.
Stockracer, I don't see the need for the personal jabs at me. What gives? I don't give them to you or anyone else for that matter. When you make off topic comments about me or anyone else, who you obviously know something about, it kind of makes you look like an a**. How about telling all of us who you are, then we can see if you are credible or not. If you don't do that, no one gives much of a darn about what you say, because it doesn't have any backbone. I have only taken what you said personally because you or someone you know must know my background (NBRA, as you so cleverly put it), and you should know that Columbus was my first race in stock and it was no different than anyone else's first division 3 race, you know what I mean. I have changed everything on my car that I need to, and I just run IHRA because I like the people better and because of vacation time. So, if you know me, than you know that I have nothing personal against anyone using buttons in stock. As a matter of fact, most of my IHRA friends do use them and know and respect my opinion on them. Their opinion is different and that is okay, we can still be friends. Hell, I just went out to eat with about 9 guys in Cayuga over this past weekend, and 6 of them are button racers. Okay, if you you have anything else off topic to say, please PM me or talk to me at a race track-got it? Mike Beard, you always make the most sensible posts in the most intelligent way. I agree with everything that you have said on here, and I believe most others do also. Pat Cook, that is some funny *****, LOL. Thanks for lightening this up a little. Jeff Day |
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NBRA...What do you think it means? It was not a deep personal dig! And it really wasnt all that clever All I do is shed light on some of the people posting! Most of all revealing hypocrites!
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Warning: This post is mostly off-topic.
--- >> THIS IS A POSSIBLE NHRA RULE CHANGE SO NHRA GUYS SHOULD DECIDE IT. If you read the preceeding posts, it's been explained why it concerns IHRA racers. >> Bring your Pure Stock car to a div one event and your sucess will be limited. More limited success than not being in the top 125 in 2006, or more limited than not showing up in the points at all in 2007? Well, at least you finished Top 10 a couple of years. My rookie season in NHRA, I finished 11th in Div. 1 Stock with a four-cylinder front wheel drive car. -=shrug=- While I typically make it a point not to get into all the name-calling and mudslinging, because it does absolutely nothing to advance the discussion, I take particular exception to stonethrowers living in glass houses. Point being, Lee's car and driving abilities are irrelevant to the value of his opinion. (But if it helps, Lee has found a great deal of E.T. within some extremely restrictive rules... sounds like the foundation of Stock eliminator to me.) "Stockracer" bothers me less, because he typically doesn't even try to post anything relevant to the discussion. ;) Unlike Jeff, I don't even care if Stockracer tells us who he is or what he drives, etc. As long as he says, "This is my opinion about the subject, and this is why I feel this way." then he has added something of value to the debate. >> NHRA DOSENT HAVE A CLASS WHERE A GUY CAN BUILD A BRACKET CAR AND CALL IT A STOCKER ALA CM CLASS Perhaps you can tell me all about crate motor cars and the rules so that I can understand how they are bracket cars... then maybe I'll understand what this has to do with 2-steps. >> OR A CLASS WHERE A GUY CAN BUY A 200 HP STREET CAR AND RACE IT. That's called a turbo car. :rolleyes: Do Sunbirds count? They make a lot less than 200hp. They're still Stockers. ...and what this has to do with 2-steps is...? --- Hey, here's something to do with the topic of discussion! >> Why can't we just leave the rules alone so we can all race? Eliminating two-steps in automatics would not hinder anyone from competing. $.02, |
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two steps belong on a country dance club floor
throttle stops belong on a u-haul truck delay boxes belong on ... well... how about a dumpster if we dont stop the button / blinder racing all cars will be A - G cars...no one builds anything else. stockers should be able to be driven without all this crap... let the techmen keep busy looking for those liteweight pistons,oversive valves, wrong blocks and heads short on cc's... instead of rewiring a stocker :) and i cant drive a lick i need the EASY BUTTON - and someone to use it :) :) captain jack and like deep staging...same guys will still win a higher % they are better than me. |
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First you took away deep satging...Now you want buttons gone...And if I read correctly, now blinders are an issue...when will you stop and race. No matter what best package wins, If you cant do it foot braking, you cant do it with a button, you cant do it with a delay box, you cant do it period! Some people are naturally good and it dont matter what they do or you do to them! How many of you button haters hit a pratice tree? Do you do any good? If its easier put a button in your car..ITS LEGAL, THERES NO UNFAIR ADVANTAGE!
But while were tryin to make it easier to win I would like to see every one with 20/20 vision tossed, NHRA spec glasses for the rest...No top end braking/whomping/dumping...Guys who win more then 2 races a year should be suspended for the rest of the year...Stick cars get automatic .05 knocked off there package (cause theyre at such a disadvantage, even though helms is 3-TIME champ)...Oh, and for jack, when you call NHRA to get a number they tell you what combo to build...that way its even, not just a bunch of A-G cars! Beard...My opinion....Every one needs to quit making excuses, and go race! If your gettin beat by a button, BUY ONE...or GET BETTER! |
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Maybe its just me but it seems the people that are always complaining are the people that are not winning races....coincidence???? Get off your keyboards and get a practice tree and go race...practice makes perfect!
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This is just an alert for the manufacturers - get the money right boys!
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As for 1/8 mile racing. I suppose you'd rather not race at all than race 1/8 mile? The goals and level of competition are the same. As long as the tracks are prepped right, it should be a level playing field. In fact, I hear more about "one lane race tracks" from the NHRA side than IHRA......and that's at their national events! I'd love to try NHRA. But time and money keep me from doing that. IHRA is less expensive in the long run. Many others will agree. And we always welcome NHRA regulars and enjoy mixing it up with them. Gotta run. Got business to take care of this weekend! ;) |
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Stock Eliminator racing has always been a game of choice. Weather that it be racing a ford or chevy, mustang or camaro, the racer him or herself still has that choice to make based on there preference. With the button issue this is still true. If one racer wants to foot brake and one wants to two step then there should be no problem. The problem start when one racer tells another racer there is only one way to leave the starting line. If NHRA were to get rid of two steps they must also get rid of blinders etc. Also if two steps are gone then make everyone have the same kind of brakes because some breaks release quicker than others. The point is that you can never equal the playing field unless everything is the same and the only way to do that is have everyone race the same car in the same class with the same equipment (pro stock). NHRA please leave this issue how it is now, up to the racer and there style of racing:p.
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>>Maybe its just me but it seems the people that are always complaining are the people that are not winning races....coincidence???? Get off your keyboards and get a practice tree and go race...practice makes perfect!
I make approx. 50 hits a day on the little tree. --- For once I agree with stockracer here. I would like to see them out of the auto cars, but they are still legal. Stock has moved a long way from stock... They should change Super Stock to Modified, Stock to Super Stock, and Pure Stock to Stock. |
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I live in the northwest and am not real familiar with IHRA. We have no tracks even though some have been available in recent years. Spokane is for sale now from what I understand. What makes IHRA cheaper to race than NHRA?
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take a button or leave it. none of this is squabbling means a thing. it happens every year about the same time. even if it gets banned the best will still be the best! also my take on the e-shift. will racers be upset if some racers go to non- manual valve bodies .(car actually shifts itself) this isnt unheard of. not much differance. if offering ill take both. peace.mikey h
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"""two steps belong on a country dance club floor
throttle stops belong on a u-haul truck delay boxes belong on ... well... how about a dumpster if we dont stop the button / blinder racing all cars will be A - G cars...no one builds anything else.""" __________________________________________________ __________________________________ LOL!!!!! Ive been screaming this for the past 2 years and all I get is "your crying"-----2steps and buttons are taking the slower stockers out of competition,,,,or at least you must be a racing God just to compete Stockracer....need to visit Div 9 in Ihra if you think those boys cant race,,,come this way and try it sometime |
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I'll have to giv d9 a try sometime. Can some one give me a logical explination about how buttons have taken slow cars out of competition? Most a-b-c cars are foot brake any way? If a button is quicker, put one in your slow car and bring it back to life! The whole point of this game is to win and do what it takes to get there...some guys choose one way some choose another...If you guys really believe that duck tape and a button will win you a national event...GO FOR IT! As far as that goes, use your sunvisor and close one eye, it works just as well! But it all boils down to SKILL, no matter the amount of money, electronics, or pretty paint you put in it!
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the reason slow cars are at a real disadvantage is they arent quick enough to flash race on the bottom bulb,,,,I dont care who you are,,,no footbrake racer is as good as a racer CORRECTLY using an adjustable 2 step and adjustable button,,,look at your winners and you will see,,,,very rarely will a footbraker will any nationals anymore,,,,,let alone any slow cars,,,its rare compared to the results of 4 or 5 years ago,,,,,,,,,once rounds start coming closer togther,,then it evens out between footers and button racers but with extreme conditions of night and day,,,,behind top fuels,,,,and so on,,,,,the adjustable 2step and buttons are nearly unbeatable,,,,
I do alot of testing on cars,,,,making changes to see the effects of such things tire pressure,,,timing,,,and other stuff and in no way letting out pressure in rear tires even compares to adjusting a 2 step,,,,,there are other variables that you just cant count on in raising or lowering tire pressure on footbrake cars...... this is my biggest beef with the 2 steps and buttons,,,,,,I personally dont think anyone winning is cheating,,,,for me its not a cheating issue,,,, |
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Here's my two cents. Leave it the way it is!!!! I run a M/Stick mustang and feel I am just as competetive as a guy running a button. You STILL have to stage the car, see the TREE THE SAME and drive the finishline! I have not changed the rpm on my two step since I built the car. I adjust tire press & the amount of travel in my pedal to hit the tree. Nothng beats seat time! If you want to race with the guys who win all the time hit your practice tree and go to a local bracket race and learn how to be consistent.
A button or two step is NOT the problem in stock. Friends of mine that bracket race don't want to bother with stock because of all the politics and whining that goes on. Less kids are moving into drag racing in general let alone stock!!! That to me is more of a concern. [ps] Even if they do away with two steps i'll still be coming out on the high chip! I launch higher than I shift and go through the traps at!!! Does that mean next we won't be able to run msd boxes because a stick guy can use his high chip built into the box!!!!! Leave it alone and race!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eric Cabral 1546 M/S |
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Eric,,,my opinion is only with the autos,,,,I could only imagine the skill it takes to run a stick car,,,Stick cars rule!!
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Back when I was 18-20 years old (that would be the late 1970's) I had a street / strip Dodge Challenger. It had a 340 with a stock converter and 4.10 gears with street tires. Ran 14.00's @ 102.5 MPH. Deadly consistant. No two step, no line-lock. Probably on the track 40 weeks out of the year. Can anybody explain to me how I was able to cut 5 teen lights pretty consistantly? Doesn't seem possible without the use of buttons and two steps. I know I was a lot younger so I'm using that excuse as to why I can't cut a consistant light anymore!
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tgriffith, a regular poster on this site, I have now idea how you've come up with that much 'bunk' in one post !!!!! It doesn't matter whether your footbraking or using a button in a slower car, the bottom yellow is the GO, unless you need to anticipate it with a slower car, it makes no difference! I believe you are wrong about slow cars that can't win, check out the foot braking Langs for instance! They, and a bunch more racers got screwed a fews years back when all of the whiny boys got deep staging eliminated. Sounds like the same 'cry for help' with this subject !!!!! Are you implying that Top Fuel has an outcome in a Stk/SS race that's deep into eliminations? Good God man. If you don't have your car set for react by the time eliminations come around, I'm sorry, your not paying enough attention to detail, 'quityasnivlin' Haven't you figured it out, after all these years of racing, just what nightime will do to your reaction yet ??? We now have LED's that changed all of those problems, unless ya still got one in your head. Do you really think that a button is being adjusted all the time? Most button racers never adjust it, the same one stay's in the car from race to race. The biggest change made on a daily basis is starting line RPM, nothing more and nothing less. I reckon your dumb-founded here but I will agree that the Five O button is BS (include the obvious cheater button, the AX.) Your also polluting the argument with racers that blind the tree, a whole nother subject. I would love to see your testing results, just how scientific are they, are you a robot that can duplicate a react and tell yourself the truth as to what you just did with weather and track changes etc.???? Thank you for agreeing on the 'no cheaters' part. That's a moot point. I think you validated the use of two steps in your last sentence, if you cant't keep the starting line RPM's consistent and the rest of the variables, how the hell are ya gonna get any better at what you do and know what is making a difference?? We race because it's a CONTEST, repeat a CONTEST, we try to be the best ya can be, whether your setting records or trying to win the race, if you don't understand the big picture you'll never get it. Winners in the ND talk about it all the time !! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TWO STEPS AND BUTTONS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! Whoa ! that's enough of that ! B |
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Jeff,
When did Reaction Timers come out. I remember going to the IHRA winternationals in 1981. The first time anyone here had seen them?????????????? Chip |
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Anyone who says that this isn't an important issue, just take a look at how many views are on this thread!!!
No matter what side you are on for this issue, don't forget to vote. Be sure to include your NHRA membership number and car number. That is what this thread was started for. 1- Eliminate the use of buttons and two-steps in Stock Eliminator 2- Allow the use of buttons and two-steps as pedal activated only An approved button would still be permitted in either case for use with NHRA acceptable line-locks only. Racers are asked to submit their opinions to racerinput@nhra.com. Going racing now, good luck to everyone else going , this is a very busy weekend. Jeff Day |
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Bernie......you have enjoyed a great deal of success in stock,,,,and your racing what???? isnt that a 2 stepped ..button leaving A or B /FIA car???.....Just tell the truth....Im rite and you know it,,,,its a hell of an advantage,,,,rite???
but for fun ,,I`ll address your remarks ,,one by one on the flash issue,,,,,slow cars dont have that option,,,you cant leave between the lights on something you cant see,, on the slow cars winners,,,your rite,,,,slow cars can win but it takes nearly a race god just to go rounds in cars that cant use the flash method,,,,I was one of the ones that got bitch slapped by the "no deeping" rules,,,,,and what pisses me off to no end is,,,,,a VERY GOOD reliable source told me why deeping got banned-------it was racers USING THE FLASH METHOD got really upset when looking for their lite to come on being distracted by their opponents top lite going out ,,,,,,causing them to be lost on the tree for a split second,,,,,so basically,,,Im still pissed about you keeping your 2 step and I cant deep stage,,,,,,as fast cars dont have enough advantage,,,,lets give them a little more on the top fuel thing,,,,havent you ever run behind top fuels and noticed that cars tend to run off for the first few runs,,,,,just watch,,,whether its traction,,,air quailty or what ever,,,,yes it does make a difference on the LED issue,,,I promise you,,,I make more run down a dragstrip in a 2 months than you make all year,,,,I run multiple cars,,in multiple classes,,,,,and Yes there is still a difference in the led`s,,,,,,,while there not as large as their incadesent brothers,,,,,there are differences,,,,,the one which was puzzling was the loss of about .010 to .015 in the dark,,,,,which doesnt make sense,,,so I did some research ,,,,I wanted to understand why,,,,,,,,was it me?? Am I tired???,,Is it immediate traction??,,,nope ,,,none of the above,,,,,and its not just me,,,,its every driver I know that I would think be quailfied to ask,,,,,and its at every track I visit...takes some balls to have a .005 lite and come back next round and roll .010 out of a delay box...rite??? so I had to find out why,,,I even call an eye doctor I know and he claimed it was the "deer in the headlite" effect,,,I think that one was full of ****,,,,But I did find out eventually find out why,, on the testing of a car deal,,,,I also promise you I own the most consistent car on the planet,,,and its a great test mule because of this,,,,now I will give you this ,,it isnt a stocker,,,and from my limited experience in a stocker,,,,I do understand that 9 inch tires do react different and each combo does react different to the same change,,,,,so what does tire pressure do to a fast stocker????? does it slow it down??? ,,,just how much??? does it react different??? if your looking to kill RT and then it hooks better,,,what then......not nearly as simple as changing RPM with a dial,,,rite?? My big beef with the whole issue is every freaking rule is made seem to help the faster cars just a little bit more,,,,,stock was designed to be an entry level class where a guy in a pinto could build car in his garage and be competitive,,,,that day is gone,,,,,,the store bought stockers are here to stay,,,, You have 10% of the racers winning 90%,,,,maybe that will always remain true,, who knows,,,what never ceases to amaze me is that the other 90% are off in LA-LA land when these BS rule perversions get introduced and then used,,,,,I mean, if a 2 step is legal on a car ,,,,and Im sure someone got it thru cause they claimed their car came with it,,,,they just lowered it,,,THEN it should be legal for me to use my windshield wiper delay to operate my line locks,,,,,,SAME THING,,,,,and then if one can use an aftermarket 2 step instead of the factory computerized rev limiter,,,,,,then why can I add a digital delay box to my windshield wipers that now operates my line lock,,,,,SAME THING |
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I also want to add to that long winded reply that ,,where the footers are at a real disadvantage is traveling,,,,In Ihra,,you get 2 shots,,,at a track you have never been,,in some extreme conditions,,,,,here is where the 2 steppers are holding nearly all the cards,,,,after racers get going rounds,,,well the cream rises to the top and if a few of the footers have survived,,,they do well,,,,,its that first few rounds that tough
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Well, If Buttons And 2 Steps Don't Make Much Difference, Then There Shouldn't Be Any Problem To Get Rid Of Them, And That In Turn Will Get Rid Of All The Bitching!!!!!
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While I don't agree with Tim that a 2step combination is "unbeatable", some of his points have merit.
He also has plenty of credibility, as a former NHRA National Sportsman champ, and #2 in IHRA Stock a few years after that with a couple of deep-staged cars, BTW. I will guarantee you that Tim would not have won nearly as many races with the Cavalier without deep staging. That topic is marginally tied in with this one, since the sanctioning bodies did away with one driving option but retained another. I've raced with Tim numerous times, and he's not kidding. His car is about the deadliest thing I've ever seen. It's extrememly rare for that car to move a full number. If he ever puts a driver in it... ;) LOL j/k Tim, I think there were probably far more people that got deep-staging eliminated not because of someone flash racing, but because they don't understand Autostart, so they thought that they were getting screwed somehow. When a handful of idiots (on both sides) wanted to start playing games, it made it easy for NHRA to use it as an excuse to pull the plug. Had Compulink implemented the "D" system that has been discussed elsewhere, it would've been a moot point. Also off-topic, but I'm really surprised that some people haven't acknowledged that track conditions change after the Pros run! That's pretty basic stuff, although different cars can react differently to it. Slow cars tend to slow, almost like running in bubble gum. Running an 11-sec car right after Pro Stock, you'd pick up several numbers. Then again, I don't envy the NHRA guys having to run on the track conditions I've seen on TV, or read about in Patsy's reports. I've never seen an IHRA track -- even "one of them there hard ta find" Divisional tracks -- get that bad. (and even more off-topic, why is it that when IHRA had Virginia Motorsports Park, Pro Mods and Pro Stockers could get down the track, and then when NHRA comes back to the place it becomes a skating rink again?) Tim - I think you've singled out just one component as to why Stock is going the way it is. You're also seeing a lot more high-classed cars because they get to chase. The good drivers have figured out just how much of an advantage being fast is. I don't feel that 2steps are *as* much of a factor as you do, but they are an ingredient that makes it that much easier. Before y'all get into the "if you think they're do good, get one" argument -- that's not what it's about. You could apply that argument to "Why SS needs delay boxes", and the same argument failed in the defense of deep staging. (although I feel that the elimination of deep staging had a bigger impact on the sport than either decision on 2-steps will) >> It doesn't matter whether your footbraking or using a button in a slower car, the bottom yellow is the GO The discussion isn't about when to leave, but rather adjustability and repeatedbility. >> The biggest change made on a daily basis is starting line RPM That's what Tim was talking about. It is a repeatable and measureable change. >> IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TWO STEPS AND BUTTONS ! So, it wouldn't hurt if they were eliminated. :-) Off-topic one last time... Eric Cabral is a bad dude with a stick! :) I was on the receiving end at Epping a couple years ago! |
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RIGHT ON ERIC!!!! I COULDNT AGREE MORE!!!! Stop bitchin and start drivin. Whats next? You have to race in reverse and hit the tree out of ur rear/sideview mirror, or r u guys guna bitch and have those taken away too??? The same guys are going to win and thats for one reason only, SEATTIME. Nothing can replace seattime so stop typin, so you can rest ur fingers for a quicker reaction off the button :) It's like anythin in life, some people have it, and some people dont. Dont knock the people that do b/c ur jealous that they win all the time. Go ahead and check my credentials people im sure u will. Jesus its like high school.
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With at least 5 national or world champions involved in this post, I don't think any of them are "jealous" of anything. I *do* hear some "b*tching", but it's only coming from people who can't seem to add anything logical to the debate.
It doesn't matter to me *which* side of the fence anyone is on, as long as they can articulate something substantive to support their opinion. While we agree to disagree, I respect Bernie for actually adding to the conversation! You're right. "BECAUSE!" really is 'high school'! |
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I'm not on here to throw stones at any one particular person. These world champions that you speak of in NHRA, how many of them use 2 Steps? hhhmmm fletcher, biondo, helms, randy wilkes, bertozzi. those arent the guys im sayin r jealous. its the ones that dont win and spend too much time complaining and not out there practicing trying to become better racers. and i dont agree that 2 steps are even an advantage. look at mike iacono, jegs all star winner, ron morehead, well know, very talented superstock racer, tom boucher, indy winner and IHRA north american nationals winner, they all footbrake. its not the footbrakin or the 2 steps that r the big issue here, its that ppl r never goin to be satisfied no matter what changes are made or arent made. leave it the way it is and lets all just go out and race and have fun
Justin Picillo I/SA '72 chevelle |
Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out
Might Be A Dum Question But It Seems No One Really Has A Good Reason For Nhra To Eliminate The Use Of A Button.as Long As It Is Not Hooked Up To The Line-lock Whats The Problem??you Still Have To Release The Brake Pedal Don't You?the Same Racers Who Won Going Deep Are Still Winning...and The Ones That Are Using A Button Will Continue To Win,with Or Without So Thats The Point????lets Race
Joe Mocci |
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