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Hello Dan and Terry. and thanks to those who loved Stk & SS , Buster , Robert Leonard , John Beidenkap , Lex Duda , and I can go on . To all the haters you could not win for losing in the early days . Cry on

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Actually 10 out of 35 is roughly 28% but whose counting right....

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Actually it’s more like 28.5%

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Dang it Cooter you beat me to it 😂

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First hit was 24 cars . Lil Duane , hope your dad is doing ok

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Who goes by the first qualifying run? The ladder is based if the final qualifying run so naturally everything else would figured that same way. No change with Dad, thanks for asking.

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Last year attended Piedmont and Farmington Point Meets.
Been to Darlington and Costal Plains before.
Would have gone again if NHRA had PS.
Could have hooked up with Bobby Butler and Ray Grice.
Maybe Gbur would have made the trip too.
Would have offered to be a Contingincy Sponsor again!
Plus there are other PS lurking in D2.
It is about supporting the Sport...

As for PS...it is the same Stock Eliminator Rules before ......
........becoming Pure Super Stock!

NHRA D2 would have lost $$ if they did not include CM.
As Gary said 40% were CM.
If NHRA included GT and PS it would had added to the count!.
Same as other IHRA meets!

Has anyone noticed CM owners are not rushing to become NHRA Stockers.
How come you are not bashing on them?

Duane..!
Wishing your Dad a quick recovery!
Mine passed away over a year ago!

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Dan they actually had the same amount of cars for this race as they did last year even despite not having the 3 PS cars. 1 less CM car than last year, maybe the CM guys are working on a legal NHRA combo or maybe they're not but who knows they're not the ones up here crying to get the rules changed in their favor.
You say NHRA would be lost money if they didn't come but you forget they don't have to do any of this, its not some sort of government assistance program. And lastly as was already pointed out it was not 40% of the field it was 28%!

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So, you are saying that if the NHRA would be willing to change their rules you will support their events. But, you barely supported the IHRA........

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The holiday weekend messed it up a bit, I know three Longhaney cars were missing, Jim Marshall was on tour in Epping. Terry Taylor, Tim Sloan , Bill Plage, Cody Phillips, Brandon Peterson Hillery Sloan have already changed over to a NHRA stocker, there's at least another six or seven crate motor cars that didn't race. Give it some time. 👍

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Ken you're misunderstanding my statement a bit. What I am trying to say is that there was just as many cars at this race as there normally was for the IHRA events even without PS. With the exception of the first race, Stock and SS has been decent car counts for an inaugural series, I think what will kill it is the dismal turnouts in the other categories. Most others have had less than 10 in a class. I'm supportive of what Rich is trying to do but unfortunately I think other people like myself only have so much time and running a full schedule of Nationals and division races is all the time I have.

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[QUOTE=Dan Fahey;567054]
Dan u don’t need to run .80 under to race and u know that. Our stuff ran .40 .50 under for years! Make the car stock legal and go have fun.

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GUMP
What are you talking about?
I ran every IHRA race I could get to last year.
Empire, Keystone, Piedmont, Farmington, MIR !
Plus a Contingency Sponsor for the Pure Stock Challenge..
What the hell you want ??

To answer your question
Yes I will support NHRA if they run the Pure Stockers and GT cars.
Would have made time to show up and so would have the others.
Would have paid NHRA fees to become an NHRA Contingency Sponsor.
I am not a passive sideline barker name-calling complainer.
It is about supporting the sport..!

It is tough to plan going to these events and dealing with commitments.
NHRA just plain erased decades of historic drag racing classes.

Before the IHRA blow-up, people were building and planning to build Pure Stocker for 2018.

Like Field of Dreams.....You build it they will come !

Despite all those that converted to NHRA Stockers.
At Piedmont a third of the cars were CM.
GT and PS would have pushed that past 50%

Ed Carpenter;
Eventually will have to convert to Stock to run Divisional Meets.
Found a place to get a proper Roll Bar installed....

For now happy and grateful with what I have.
Yeah it is about having fun !!

Dan

D

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So you think 10 or 12 PS and GT cars would be been at Piedmont to make up 50% of the field Dan? There's barely that in the whole country, Perrone got you right Dilusional.....

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Dan, NHRA erased nothing!! IHRA walked away from your class.
All of the Pure Stock deal was not profitable for IHRA, why would
you expect somebody else to want it. Division 2 examined where
they could help, and get financial help in return. They like IHRA,
decided it wasn't with your class, or with your awards posting.
So now we have IHRA saying No to Dan's class, NHRA saying
no to Dan's class, I don't know who is left that you can try.
Some people flog a dead horse. This horse has been processed
through the dog food factory, canned, sold, fed to the dog, dog has
pooped it out, and so go's the story. I am with Cooter on this one.
J. R.

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Ok so I did some digging. Since this is a 1/8th mile series let’s look at nitro joes 2017 ihra 1/8th mile stats shall we? So we had 4 (4) GT cars that raced in all of ihra in the 1/8 th mile in 2017 ( 2 of which we’re traditial stockers that were likely trying to avoid heads up runs, so that makes it 2!) now pure stockers. 9. 9 pure stockers ran in the 1/8th mile in ihra during 2017. Leave GT cars out of your arguments because in all actuality IF ihra had continued to race class cars this 2018 was going to be the last year for gt cars over there as they were getting the axe. Why? Because there was only 3 maybe 4 true gt cars in existence. Now are you ready for this? 2019 was going to be the last year for pure stockers. I still had a lot of friends that were officials in ihra and I talked to them and we had several long talks about it when they were deciding to do away with those classes. I told them it didn’t matter to me because I could run super stock by changing the letters on the windows. I do feel sorry for the guys like Bobby Ray and Gary who’s cars were 100% legal but the officials knew there were cars that weren’t legal but with the double race format there was never enough time to send them through tear down. So to hurt anyone’s feelings but what’s done is done and it took one division director to go out on a limb for the ss production and cm cars. I’m afraid with the lack of support in basically ihra country unless something happens at the remaining races the future don’t look to good. Bottom line is if you really want to class race you’ll fix your car to run within the rules of the sanctioning body that’s trying to give you an outlet to race. If not then Well big tires in the back little tires in the front and pick between top et or foot brake.

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That pretty much sums it up Duane, but ol Dilusional Dan thinks he was starting a revolution and the rest of us are the crazy ones lol!

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Exactly

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Sounds like that information should have been made public a couple years ago.
About like the way they didn't mention anything about dropping class racing all together to all of the people who were at the last IHRA class race at Dragway 42 in Sept of 2017. There was a big dinner put on by Summit. Enough IHRA people were there they could have announced the changes then instead of just letting rumors fly or putting out a press release about their new bracket series.

I am glad NHRA Div 2 has stepped up to do this for the racers in the southeast. I hope as many take advantage of it as they can.

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Would you want to be the guy in an IHRA shirt holding the mic for that???

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It's all water under the bridge now anyway, but probably not.
But then again, I am not the owner, President, CEO, VP of Competition, etc. of a IHRA. When you sign on for a big position or title like that, you had better be able to handle what ever situations come your way or whatever the job calls for.

Chris rrealistically, the way that organization was ran the last 15 years they probably hadn't even thought about next year at that point lol.

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You are right HR...!!!!!!!!!!!
It was a Revolution and it was a GOOD Fight !!
Some are won and some are lost, cannot win unless you try !

As usual the detractors come out of the woodwork.
Name calling from the sidelines.
Try to beat you up and down trying to make a stand.

Still, it was worth it !!


D

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You used the past tense. Does this mean this crap is finally over?????????!!!!!!!

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Didn't come out of the woodwork and not on the sidelines, I race a NHRA legal stocker you idiot. Glad you realize you lost, now go find yourself a safe space ❄

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Thanks Lil Duane that you recognized my car was legal but I question remarks from some on here have a legal NHRA car . If it hasn’t been checked then who knows. I raced NHRA for years and was thru tear down on multiple occasions. Always passed, even with Greg and Farmer doing the check

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I'm not sure if your remark is intended for me or not Mr Bur but you are welcome at any time to show up and protest me. I'm more than confident my car is legal, I will be at Atco and Cecil county next month.

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Cooter get with me at Atco (I’ll probably be there late Wednesday night or early Thursday morning) I broke the antiroll bar in my car Saturday at piedmont and UPR went out of there way to warranty that one and get me a replacement out that I’ll have tomorrow. Once it’s in my hands I’ll get with the guy who did the cage addition in my car and also installed the antiroll originally. He goes out of his way to look out for me, did the cage while we were at the 4 wides and were gone that week. So I’ll be there to make a few runs in tnt.

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Remark was for anyone who assumes they are legal . Some may check ok this week and not next , just saying

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I will agree that anything is possible but there's a difference between "legal" and blatantly illegal. My offer still stands to anyone who would like to find out if I am, I have nothing to hide.

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Billy Myers fired the warning shot years ago for IHRA class racing, why anyone would want to have continued racing IHRA invented classes after that fair warning is a little beyond sympathy and understanding. My dad always said "it was a snake and you picked it up anyway"...............some of you guys understood you were taking a chance, what were the rest of you thinking about ????

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Billy Myers fired the warning shot years ago for IHRA class racing, why anyone would want to have continued racing IHRA invented classes after that fair warning is a little beyond sympathy and understanding. My dad always said "it was a snake and you picked it up anyway"...............some of you guys understood you were taking a chance, what were the rest of you thinking about ????
That doesn't make any sense, that was like 30 years ago. I raced over 15 years in a "IHRA invented class" . There were a few IHRA invented classes that NHRA was more than happy to pick up top sportsman top dragster and pro modified for example. Let the man be if he wants to campaign for his class let him. I've been reading these threads and what it boils down to is some stuck up class racers that feel he doesn't deserve to race with them or even discuss on a website.

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IHRA and some of those invented classes weren't doing too bad for a while.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

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Most of our country doesn't remember WWII or the lessons it taught and that was 70 years ago, its a common mistake.

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You nailed it !!!!!! The ONLY difference between the pure stock classes and the stocker of yester years including the Jr. Stock days are having to run a real muffler. No empty beer cans allowed and pre 1971 had a 7 inch tire rule. The slide began with the elec. water pump drives. Then stock died in 1985 with any cam as long as the lift was maintained. Then it was roller rockers, solid lifters and heavier pressures on valve springs around 1985-86, who would have figured lifters would cost almost a thousand dollars. What about those 55 MM cam journals ?Sometime during all of this NHRA allowed transmissions that never came with the engine combo. Where the tech guys to lazy or to fat to get down and check or to stupid when the real tech guys all retired, died or just got fed up with the BS. Yeah, you have to inspect a pure stocker which a lot of so called tech guys can not do ! Why do you think tech inspection is such a joke ? Is it that NHRA is to cheap to pay for qualified inspectors? How many can check duration and over lap ? Could they even tell the difference between a 350 turbo or a 400 turbo ? How about the difference between a 727 Torqueflite and a 904 ? Its all gotten easier for tech, and less $$$$ for NHRA but more expensive for the stock racers who are not millionaires. In a few years you old rich guys will either quit or be racing brackets which is what it is now anyway. We originally had a cut off for the year allowed to run pure stock to keep out the computer junk but after I quit all of that fell by the way side plus I could not get Mike Baker to chase after the cam specs for the newer car. Other than bigger tires, higher lift cams and ported heads you might as well be running Super Stock. THAT is why the so called Pure Stock classes came into being in the first place. To give the little guy a shot at racing and holding a record. We used to have a separate eliminator all together but after the Billy Meyer fiasco when IHRA returned to class racing the new owner wanted to cut down so it ended up what it was. Have fun !!

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Damn right nailed it! I built a stocker to race against stockers, if I wanted to race against street cars I would do that at my local track

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Your Stocker is a Street Car !!
Just because you put slicks and cam on it.
Then you race it on a track and all of a sudden it is not...??

Blissful thinking !

Can see the Factory COPO's, Comp and Super Stocker guys all laughing at you...

you just race a stocker which is really a warmed over Street Car !!!!

D

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Only person being laughed at around here Dan is you. Good luck racing pro bracket.

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TODAYS stocker is NOT a stocker.

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Lol not going to argue that, its just the "classification" that my car is in.