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hemicop 04-06-2010 02:27 PM

Re: Connecting Highway
 
I rmemeber the Wetson's but didn't go there much for some reason. I do recall a guy that had an alum. nosed Mx-wedge car that always had the nose smashed up 'cause he kept crashing it (his words). Of course I was lucky enough to go to H.S. near Scott Schafiroff's house so I always saw his Camaro & later his P/S cars parked on/in trailers at his house but never spoke to him, he was outta my league.
I wonder how many of the "old guard" still run or at least play with cars? I was back there last year & was talking to an old friend and he had NO interest in playing with cars, saying he was "too old" for that stuff.
It's funny--I tell even veteran streetracers here, some from Calif or elsewhere, about the stuff that happened just in my little niche of the World and they don't believe it. I guess that's what made apparently made NYC the streetracing capitol. Other cities had there heroes as well & great racing, I'm sure, but the characters & attitude of NYC back then was (and will) never be copied

hemicop 04-06-2010 02:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 180339)
Connecting highway hasn't changed much.Last time I drove through,early last year the only visual change was it's now 2 lanes each way with a shoulder.And of course the exit past the bridge (going towards Bklyn.) has been closed since who knows when.
It's still possible to make a pass.If you can afford the ticket and impound and possible
steel bracelets.

So are they, and where, running now? What's it take to be competitive (besides money:D) there?

Lew Silverman 04-06-2010 03:12 PM

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You're right, NY was kind of special! I get back up there for work every so often and the places have changed - more crowded and all. It was the perfect place for a "car guy" to grow up in the 50's and 60's. Match races at NY National and Westhampton, Wednesday night grudge runs at Raceway Park, and working Connecting Highway on Friday's! Cool! :D:D

hemicop 04-06-2010 03:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lew Silverman (Post 180361)
You're right, NY was kind of special! I get back up there for work every so often and the places have changed - more crowded and all. It was the perfect place for a "car guy" to grow up in the 50's and 60's. Match races at NY National and Westhampton, Wednesday night grudge runs at Raceway Park, and working Connecting Highway on Friday's! Cool! :D:D

I can remember getting up at dawn to go to NY Nat'l. It seemed so far away. Now living in Az. a 200 mile trip is so commonplace a trip to NY Natl. would now seem almost boring.
I remember my first trip to actually race-- I had just gotten my license & my buddy picks me up in the tow-truck, racecar on the back. I'm walking down the driveway & my Mom yells at me : " Have fun! Don't drive too fast!" I looked back at her and remended her just what we were doing & she got beet-red and just started laughing. I dn't think the "fun" factor will evr return :(

Ed Fernandez 04-06-2010 03:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hemicop (Post 180342)
So are they, and where, running now? What's it take to be competitive (besides money:D) there?


Pretty much the only street racing going on around NYC are the fart pipe thug crowd.The guys with real fast cars go to Englishtown/Atco and run no time.Sometimes for money.
You can tell a money run because there's about 100 people around both cars.Most of them have a piece of one of the cars.After they go down the track there's a bunch of trash talking then they go back to the pits.Sometimes they come back out and do it again.
On the street the smart guys keep away.Getting caught is mandatory impoundment of the car and maybe worse.
It's good they're off the strees.Most of them have ***** for brains anyway.

hemicop 04-06-2010 03:59 PM

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Kind of a shame, but it DOES make sense. I was hoping there were a still a few hold-outs, ut between the expense, crowds & penalties. BTW, anyone here know what the FASTEST race at Connecting Hwy was?

Carl Juliano 04-06-2010 04:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lew Silverman (Post 180332)
Anyone remember running West Shore Road in Port Washington in the late 60's? We used to choose-up at the Wetson's on Northern Blvd. The stretch of road in front of Bar Beach was straight and flat and the top of the hill did help slow you down. There was a primered 55 Chevy coupe (driven by John Balch?) that used to clean-up, and assorted 409's and Max-Wedge's. One night Eddie Akem brought the A&P Auto T/F down and made a short pass, but right after that the Nassau Co. police shut us down. :)

I work in Port Washington frequently and always wondered if they raced on West Shore Rd. I mentioned it to my father, but he raced in Queens, Bklyn. He told me they also ran on Crossbay Blvd. in Broad Channel, the FDNY used to come and open up the hydrants so they couldnt race.

Ed Fernandez 04-06-2010 04:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Juliano (Post 180382)
I work in Port Washington frequently and always wondered if they raced on West Shore Rd. I mentioned it to my father, but he raced in Queens, Bklyn. He told me they also ran on Crossbay Blvd. in Broad Channel, the FDNY used to come and open up the hydrants so they couldnt race.

Carl your old man used to race a Studebaker buckboard at Connecting.One HP.They had to sweep the road down after he made a pass.

Lew Silverman 04-06-2010 05:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hemicop (Post 180365)
I can remember getting up at dawn to go to NY Nat'l. It seemed so far away. Now living in Az. a 200 mile trip is so commonplace a trip to NY Natl. would now seem almost boring.
I remember my first trip to actually race-- I had just gotten my license & my buddy picks me up in the tow-truck, racecar on the back. I'm walking down the driveway & my Mom yells at me : " Have fun! Don't drive too fast!" I looked back at her and reminded her just what we were doing & she got beet-red and just started laughing. I dn't think the "fun" factor will evr return :(

I had somewhat the same experience - I had been working on my SS396 Chevelle all winter, headers, gears, dual quads (it was 1966!), GK camshaft, etc. The first nice weekend we're loading up and my Mom asks me where we we going. I said "Drag racing at NY National in Center Moriches", and she lost it! I had to explain to her exactly why I had been setting up the car. After a while she got used to it, and even made a few trips out there with my Dad. Funny what you remember after 44 years!!

hemicop 04-06-2010 05:10 PM

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the FDNY used to come and open up the hydrants so they couldnt race.[/QUOTE]

AHHH I remember that tactic well! The cops used to do that at Connecting. They'd open up the hydrants on the access road & let it run down onto the highway--got rid of both spectators & racers in one shot. My friend tried to shut a hydrant off one night & the cops arrested him for "Disrupting Governmental Justice":confused:. Never heard of it before or since. My sister who was a NYC Prosecutor said there is such a charge--kinda CS if you ask me.

mopar68 04-06-2010 05:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 180367)
Pretty much the only street racing going on around NYC are the fart pipe thug crowd.The guys with real fast cars go to Englishtown/Atco and run no time.Sometimes for money.
You can tell a money run because there's about 100 people around both cars.Most of them have a piece of one of the cars.After they go down the track there's a bunch of trash talking then they go back to the pits.Sometimes they come back out and do it again.
On the street the smart guys keep away.Getting caught is mandatory impoundment of the car and maybe worse.
It's good they're off the strees.Most of them have ***** for brains anyway.

Yo wassup wit dat? Why you be dissin' us?

M68 :D

hemicop 04-06-2010 05:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mopar68 (Post 180395)
Yo wassup wit dat? Why you be dissin' us?

M68 :D

I think that says it all..........:D

Carl Juliano 04-06-2010 07:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 180385)
Carl your old man used to race a Studebaker buckboard at Connecting.One HP.They had to sweep the road down after he made a pass.


LOL, he never showed me pictures of that one!.......never heard about it either!.....lol

cammer427 04-06-2010 11:18 PM

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I don't know how many of you bother with Facebook, but there's also two social groups dedicated to the Connecting Highway and Cross Bay Blvd & South Conduit/150th Street:

Group: "We Raced on Cross Bay Blvd. and The South Conduit"
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=307813812940

Group: "Connecting Highway"
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=54726643443

Paul Ceasrine 04-07-2010 05:20 AM

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Yonkers Joe,
I remember the 69' L-88 Corvette that the body shop guy owned.
He had his girlfriend drive it, and on the back was lettered,
'If you can beat me, you can eat me'.
What was his minimum, $500 per race?
Raced 'heads-up only', no car-length handicaps.
Don't remember anyone coming up with that amount of cash back then
71'/72'.
Never saw it at E-Town or Dover, but it was supposed to be a
11.50 machine. Yes, it was a street driven. Hung out along
Central Avenue Scarsdale/Yonkers..
Close-ratio, w/4.56's.
P

chris ok 04-07-2010 07:59 AM

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there was a vette like that at fountain in about 83 when I joined the scene(18 year old w a war torn stock 69 GTO). A lot of older killers spotting out and running us down. after wards late negotiations at TSS on Linden or Airport Diner on Conduit w the big guns running on 150th thru early 90's(now all blacktop w no racing, but the parallel service road.......).

Don't worry guys, NYC is alive and well, just more underground, except for posted videos, which you can find on youtube if you look.

Yes the fartpipe kids generation does not get it like we(the generation after you all,30- 40 somethings now). But we are "still alive and well".

Thanks for the look back on NYC street racing. True NYC history.

hemicop 04-07-2010 09:07 AM

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Some of the streetracers were actually a bit better or at least on par with some pros of the day. I heard there was a pic. of russo's L-88 'vette beating Ronnie sox's S/S GTX and Bernie Agaman was good enough to win a few Nat'l championships. Of course the Mutt Bros. eventually developed into a legitimate P/S team & who could forget the "Wild Pumpkin" race team of Brooklyn Heavy? ...and Scott Schafiroff was no "virgin".
Except for Dave Maskins & some rogue Mopar engineers I don't think you hear of too many admitted streetracers turning pro except those in NY

GaryGoFast 04-07-2010 09:07 AM

Re: Connecting Highway
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gremlin1945 (Post 40917)
All of the recent bitching and moaning is starting to get stale.
Just to lighten things up I'd like to hear from those who frequented the following Friday,Saturday night circuit in NYC.
Connecting Highway
Laural Hill Blvd.
Francis Lewis Blvd
Review Ave-Van Iderstien fat rendering co. stunk lik hell
The Conduit (150th St)
Columbia St-Red Hook Bklyn
1st Ave.-Bush Terminal
Fountain Ave-not one of my favorites
Mitchells-Roller skate waitresses
This was in the late 60's early 70's.I got my first ticket one night at Connecting.Had a new
1969 VW bug and cops caught me racing another VW(he had Calif. plates,didn't pay ticket).The
cop gave us speeding ticket (55 in a 50)
instead of "Speed contest".
Was there one night when they ran a front engine dragster on highway.
Anyoneremember John D'Andrea?Had a 1970 Gremlin with a 390 AMC motor,won alot there.
How abouttheFish Kid or George he Greek?
Shaffroff had more than afew motors running around then.
The heavy duty races went off after 2AM down at the Conduit.Bklyn Heavy etc.Alotof $ changed hands
Just a few memories from misspent youth.The rest is blank.

Ed F.
NHRA #15
IHRA #1945
T/SA

You fail to mention:

The Wedge Inn
The Hutch
I95 / Tardi's
Shea Stadium parking lot

Got my 1st ticket for loud exhaust at Connecting Highways

Mopar Steve 04-07-2010 09:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hemicop (Post 180521)
Some of the streetracers were actually a bit better or at least on par with some pros of the day. I heard there was a pic. of russo's L-88 'vette beating Ronnie sox's S/S GTX and Bernie Agaman was good enough to win a few Nat'l championships. Of course the Mutt Bros. eventually developed into a legitimate P/S team & who could forget the "Wild Pumpkin" race team of Brooklyn Heavy? ...and Scott Schafiroff was no "virgin".
Except for Dave Maskins & some rogue Mopar engineers I don't think you hear of too many admitted streetracers turning pro except those in NY

Ronnie's '68/9 Road Runner S/S car was bought by an NY street racer. To this day the car still has the radius on the 1/4's.

Ron Steiner 04-07-2010 09:56 AM

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There is a book called Muscle car Confidential that has stories and pictures of almost all the locations mentioned. My best experiences were on the clearview expressway with cars blocking the traffic at the union turnpike entrance while pairs of cars raced a marked off 1/4 mile. My ultimate race was with my brand new '68 Camaro 396/375 racing and beating a GTX street Hemi on union turnpike those were the days.

Paul Ceasrine 04-07-2010 02:30 PM

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Lots of Cool Places to Street-Race.
Even some great Musclecars. Each contingent had their own pack to follow. Big-Body Chevy's, Corvette's, Nova's, Camaro's, Ford, Mercury, Olds, Pontiac, Buick, AMC, and VW's and the Foreign Cars.
Even Plymouth versus Dodge. Man those guys hated each other!
Remember 1968 thru 1972, not too many tracks running
'Bracket Racing'. So if you had a car with an Edelbrock aluminum intake, Holley carb and 8" tires, if you went to the track you got classed in
Modified/Production, and your street-car got pounded by a track-car.
On the street, anything went. And it was great fun 'After Midnight'.
PC

art leong 04-07-2010 03:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine (Post 180595)
Lots of Cool Places to Street-Race.
Even some great Musclecars. Each contingent had their own pack to follow. Big-Body Chevy's, Corvette's, Nova's, Camaro's, Ford, Mercury, Olds, Pontiac, Buick, AMC, and VW's and the Foreign Cars.
Even Plymouth versus Dodge. Man those guys hated each other!
Remember 1968 thru 1972, not too many tracks running
'Bracket Racing'. So if you had a car with an Edelbrock aluminum intake, Holley carb and 8" tires, if you went to the track you got classed in
Modified/Production, and your street-car got pounded by a track-car.
On the street, anything went. And it was great fun 'After Midnight'.
PC

Yes back then if you changed almost anything you were put in Modified or Gas. And had to run off that record. Most cars just ran at the track for fun. Some tracks (Englishtown Raceway Park Etc) seperated the cars a bit with Cups (trophies) or Bucks.

Ed Fernandez 04-07-2010 03:22 PM

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Two non muscle cars that I remember was Flip's Speed Shop's volvo and a Nash Metro
named Classical Gas.Short wheelbase and a S/B chevy on a concrete roadway.Very scary.
Anybody remember Mitchell's on 86th st. in Bklyn?They had the girls on roller skates there to bring you your food.Car hops.And how about New Park Pizza on Crossbay Blvd.Way better pizza than Pizza City.

art leong 04-07-2010 03:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 180605)
Two non muscle cars that I remember was Flip's Speed Shop's volvo and a Nash Metro
named Classical Gas.Short wheelbase and a S/B chevy on a concrete roadway.Very scary.
Anybody remember Mitchell's on 86th st. in Bklyn?They had the girls on roller skates there to bring you your food.Car hops.And how about New Park Pizza on Crossbay Blvd.Way better pizza than Pizza City.

Mitchells became Wetson's then (and now) Nathans.
New Park Pizza was real Pizza

Ed Fernandez 04-07-2010 03:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by art leong (Post 180606)
Mitchells became Wetson's then (and now) Nathans.
New Park Pizza was real Pizza

Still is Art.I ate there the other night.Still 1970.

cammer427 04-07-2010 03:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mopar Steve (Post 180524)
Ronnie's '68/9 Road Runner S/S car was bought by an NY street racer. To this day the car still has the radius on the 1/4's.

What's the name of the racer who bought it from S&M? Where is it now? I always find it exciting to hear of ex-race cars that were purchased by street racers... especially when they're still around and haven't been crushed and melted into a fleet of tea pots and toasters. :rolleyes:

Paul Ceasrine 04-07-2010 04:03 PM

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Hey, don't forget.
'Don't Cook Tonite, Call Chicken Delight'
And White Castle with the 'tangy taste of onion' at "19 cents" a burger.
If you ate before you raced, your hands would slip of the Hurst "T" handle.

Art, The NHRA classifications really killed alot of street cars from racing.
Just who didn't have a car with an Edelbrock dual-plane aluminum high-rise, a Holley 780 dual-feed, and an Accel dual-point. Any tire size bigger than F-60's would be over 7", sending you into S/S, or M/P or Gas.
And the 4-speed street guys, didn't have the Lakewood Bell-Housings
(we all called them 'scattershields').
'A Fanabla'
* Kind of like the early suggested brackets, A 12.99 ET for big-block street cars, and 13.99 for small-block street cars. Cars had to be driven to the track, and with license plates. Had to run-off the 12.99 or 13.99 ET. Any intake, carb, hood scoop and any tire that fit within the wheel-well. Headers, and you could pull off the exhaust system, completely. Only safety items, Scattershields, helmets and seat-belt.
That would have worked.
PC

Mopar Steve 04-07-2010 04:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cammer427 (Post 180610)
What's the name of the racer who bought it from S&M? Where is it now? I always find it exciting to hear of ex-race cars that were purchased by street racers... especially when they're still around and haven't been crushed and melted into a fleet of tea pots and toasters. :rolleyes:

No idea who bought it from them originally, If I remember correctly it was a younger gentleman. The car is now in Don Snyder's collection, restored, except for the 1/4's.

art leong 04-07-2010 04:30 PM

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I came face to face with Dick Landy's "Pepsi Cola" Challenger. At the PRI show last December.
Vinnie Maida and I bought that car from Landy in 72 (I think) That was to be my first NHRA car. We were going to run it in C/Gas with a clutchflite and a "prostock" Hemi. And some street racing. We rented an open trailer. Towed to California from Brooklyn to pick it up with a slant six plymouth fury. I even got a bank loan for that car, Landy had to put a number on the car to satisfy the bank.
I never got that car finished.
I teamed up with Tex (Ray) on the 71 Charger, and the rest is history.

cammer427 04-07-2010 04:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mopar Steve (Post 180618)
No idea who bought it from them originally, If I remember correctly it was a younger gentleman. The car is now in Don Snyder's collection, restored, except for the 1/4's.

Thanks for the info Steve. I believe Don Snyder also owns the '65 A/FX 427 SOHC Mustang Dyno Don raced in '69 then sold to Tab Talmadge who then street raced it in and around NYC. Very cool stuff!

cammer427 04-07-2010 05:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by art leong (Post 180624)
I came face to face with Dick Landy's "Pepsi Cola" Challenger. At the PRI show last December.
Vinnie Maida and I bought that car from Landy in 72 (I think) That was to be my first NHRA car. We were going to run it in C/Gas with a clutchflite and a "prostock" Hemi. And some street racing. We rented an open trailer. Towed to California from Brooklyn to pick it up with a slant six plymouth fury. I even got a bank loan for that car, Landy had to put a number on the car to satisfy the bank.
I never got that car finished.
I teamed up with Tex (Ray) on the 71 Charger, and the rest is history.

This one?

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/u...nger/Landy.jpg

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/u...09_resized.jpg

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/u...llenger-02.jpg

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/u...llenger-01.jpg

mopar68 04-07-2010 11:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cammer427 (Post 180610)
What's the name of the racer who bought it from S&M? Where is it now? I always find it exciting to hear of ex-race cars that were purchased by street racers... especially when they're still around and haven't been crushed and melted into a fleet of tea pots and toasters. :rolleyes:

Well, I don't know the name of the racer who bought Sox & Martin's Road Runner after the 1969 season but do know for sure Eric Petosa from Staten Island, NY owned it by the late 1970s. The then 19-year-old's car was featured in an 1979 issue of Hot Rod Magazine. The kid had money...in fact, I saw him in Staten Island one night (circa 1987) as he drove past us with a white Lamborghini with his surname on the license plate. Having said that, I believe this is also one of the Petosa's who campaigned the Petosa Bros. funnycar back in the early 1990s with driver Mark Oswald behind the (butterfly steering) wheel.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4820/petosa92.jpg

M68

mopar68 04-07-2010 11:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by art leong (Post 180624)
I came face to face with Dick Landy's "Pepsi Cola" Challenger. At the PRI show last December.
Vinnie Maida and I bought that car from Landy in 72 (I think) That was to be my first NHRA car. We were going to run it in C/Gas with a clutchflite and a "prostock" Hemi. And some street racing. We rented an open trailer. Towed to California from Brooklyn to pick it up with a slant six plymouth fury. I even got a bank loan for that car, Landy had to put a number on the car to satisfy the bank.
I never got that car finished.
I teamed up with Tex (Ray) on the 71 Charger, and the rest is history.

Wow, Art...you've really been around. Thanks for sharing that history.

M68

hemicop 04-08-2010 12:00 AM

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Funny someone should mention NHRA's classification system---- I always thought it didn't allow for street cars, that AHRA did a better job for that. Kinda hard to picture a 3800lb Chevelle being put into Gas just'cause it had some engine mods & slicks. Truth be told told, that's probably what pushed so many guys onto the street.

mopar68 04-08-2010 12:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine (Post 180616)
Hey, don't forget.
'Don't Cook Tonite, Call Chicken Delight'

Hey, I remember that commercial!

M68 :)

mopar68 04-08-2010 12:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hemicop (Post 180726)
Funny someone should mention NHRA's classification system---- I always thought it didn't allow for street cars, that AHRA did a better job for that. Kinda hard to picture a 3800lb Chevelle being put into Gas just'cause it had some engine mods & slicks. Truth be told told, that's probably what pushed so many guys onto the street.

Some of the most popular supercars on the street were non-competitive in NHRA Stock and Super Stock racing. For example: 383 Road Runners and 400 cu.in. GTO's. Tons of them on the street--near zero at the Nationals.

And classifying street cars with the usual hi-po speed parts added to them to run against purpose-built race cars really was short-sighted and counterproductive on their part.

M68

cammer427 04-08-2010 12:35 AM

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You know, now that I think of it I recall reading about someone pulling into a popular Brooklyn or Queens street racing haunt back in the late-'60s or early-'70s with one of Dick Landy's cars on a trailer. Can't remember if that was an article or a post.

cammer427 04-08-2010 12:37 AM

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Art, did you not finish the Challenger because you teamed up with Tex on the Charger, or was it because of other projects on the go?

hemicop 04-08-2010 01:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cammer427 (Post 180730)
You know, now that I think of it I recall reading about someone pulling into a popular Brooklyn or Queens street racing haunt back in the late-'60s or early-'70s with one of Dick Landy's cars on a trailer. Can't remember if that was an article or a post.

As I recall it was an article in Car Craft Magizine about NYC streetracing. I think the story was how Landy was in town for a race at NY Nat'l. and the streetrace had gone off near JFK Airport---can't remember who he was racing against, though but I vaguely remember something about Brooklyn Heavy possibly running him...

cammer427 04-08-2010 02:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hemicop (Post 180735)
As I recall it was an article in Car Craft Magizine about NYC streetracing. I think the story was how Landy was in town for a race at NY Nat'l. and the streetrace had gone off near JFK Airport---can't remember who he was racing against, though but I vaguely remember something about Brooklyn Heavy possibly running him...

I don't think I've read that Car Craft article, but an event like that I'm sure would have been mentioned elsewhere too. Did the article mention that Dick himself raced one of his cars against someone near JFK? That would be pretty wild if that did occur. You hear of many pros in the league of Sox and Landy doing some street racing before they went pro, but never doing it while or after that (except for the NYC guys, of course ;)... seems it's in their blood), so it's interesting to hear of them "cutting loose" like that!

I'm not entirely sure where Heavy did most of his off-track racing, but if he was involved, and it was near JFK, it was most likely 150th/South Conduit. The Mutt Bros, Levi Holmes and I think Tab Talmadge raced there (the Mutt Bros raced there almost exclusively). Heavy knew those guys (Ronald Lyles & Levi even shoed some of Heavy's cars professionally) so it wouldn't be surprising.


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