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I rmemeber the Wetson's but didn't go there much for some reason. I do recall a guy that had an alum. nosed Mx-wedge car that always had the nose smashed up 'cause he kept crashing it (his words). Of course I was lucky enough to go to H.S. near Scott Schafiroff's house so I always saw his Camaro & later his P/S cars parked on/in trailers at his house but never spoke to him, he was outta my league.
I wonder how many of the "old guard" still run or at least play with cars? I was back there last year & was talking to an old friend and he had NO interest in playing with cars, saying he was "too old" for that stuff. It's funny--I tell even veteran streetracers here, some from Calif or elsewhere, about the stuff that happened just in my little niche of the World and they don't believe it. I guess that's what made apparently made NYC the streetracing capitol. Other cities had there heroes as well & great racing, I'm sure, but the characters & attitude of NYC back then was (and will) never be copied |
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You're right, NY was kind of special! I get back up there for work every so often and the places have changed - more crowded and all. It was the perfect place for a "car guy" to grow up in the 50's and 60's. Match races at NY National and Westhampton, Wednesday night grudge runs at Raceway Park, and working Connecting Highway on Friday's! Cool! :D:D
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I remember my first trip to actually race-- I had just gotten my license & my buddy picks me up in the tow-truck, racecar on the back. I'm walking down the driveway & my Mom yells at me : " Have fun! Don't drive too fast!" I looked back at her and remended her just what we were doing & she got beet-red and just started laughing. I dn't think the "fun" factor will evr return :( |
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Pretty much the only street racing going on around NYC are the fart pipe thug crowd.The guys with real fast cars go to Englishtown/Atco and run no time.Sometimes for money. You can tell a money run because there's about 100 people around both cars.Most of them have a piece of one of the cars.After they go down the track there's a bunch of trash talking then they go back to the pits.Sometimes they come back out and do it again. On the street the smart guys keep away.Getting caught is mandatory impoundment of the car and maybe worse. It's good they're off the strees.Most of them have ***** for brains anyway. |
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Kind of a shame, but it DOES make sense. I was hoping there were a still a few hold-outs, ut between the expense, crowds & penalties. BTW, anyone here know what the FASTEST race at Connecting Hwy was?
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the FDNY used to come and open up the hydrants so they couldnt race.[/QUOTE]
AHHH I remember that tactic well! The cops used to do that at Connecting. They'd open up the hydrants on the access road & let it run down onto the highway--got rid of both spectators & racers in one shot. My friend tried to shut a hydrant off one night & the cops arrested him for "Disrupting Governmental Justice":confused:. Never heard of it before or since. My sister who was a NYC Prosecutor said there is such a charge--kinda CS if you ask me. |
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LOL, he never showed me pictures of that one!.......never heard about it either!.....lol |
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I don't know how many of you bother with Facebook, but there's also two social groups dedicated to the Connecting Highway and Cross Bay Blvd & South Conduit/150th Street:
Group: "We Raced on Cross Bay Blvd. and The South Conduit" http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=307813812940 Group: "Connecting Highway" http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=54726643443 |
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Yonkers Joe,
I remember the 69' L-88 Corvette that the body shop guy owned. He had his girlfriend drive it, and on the back was lettered, 'If you can beat me, you can eat me'. What was his minimum, $500 per race? Raced 'heads-up only', no car-length handicaps. Don't remember anyone coming up with that amount of cash back then 71'/72'. Never saw it at E-Town or Dover, but it was supposed to be a 11.50 machine. Yes, it was a street driven. Hung out along Central Avenue Scarsdale/Yonkers.. Close-ratio, w/4.56's. P |
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there was a vette like that at fountain in about 83 when I joined the scene(18 year old w a war torn stock 69 GTO). A lot of older killers spotting out and running us down. after wards late negotiations at TSS on Linden or Airport Diner on Conduit w the big guns running on 150th thru early 90's(now all blacktop w no racing, but the parallel service road.......).
Don't worry guys, NYC is alive and well, just more underground, except for posted videos, which you can find on youtube if you look. Yes the fartpipe kids generation does not get it like we(the generation after you all,30- 40 somethings now). But we are "still alive and well". Thanks for the look back on NYC street racing. True NYC history. |
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Some of the streetracers were actually a bit better or at least on par with some pros of the day. I heard there was a pic. of russo's L-88 'vette beating Ronnie sox's S/S GTX and Bernie Agaman was good enough to win a few Nat'l championships. Of course the Mutt Bros. eventually developed into a legitimate P/S team & who could forget the "Wild Pumpkin" race team of Brooklyn Heavy? ...and Scott Schafiroff was no "virgin".
Except for Dave Maskins & some rogue Mopar engineers I don't think you hear of too many admitted streetracers turning pro except those in NY |
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There is a book called Muscle car Confidential that has stories and pictures of almost all the locations mentioned. My best experiences were on the clearview expressway with cars blocking the traffic at the union turnpike entrance while pairs of cars raced a marked off 1/4 mile. My ultimate race was with my brand new '68 Camaro 396/375 racing and beating a GTX street Hemi on union turnpike those were the days.
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Lots of Cool Places to Street-Race.
Even some great Musclecars. Each contingent had their own pack to follow. Big-Body Chevy's, Corvette's, Nova's, Camaro's, Ford, Mercury, Olds, Pontiac, Buick, AMC, and VW's and the Foreign Cars. Even Plymouth versus Dodge. Man those guys hated each other! Remember 1968 thru 1972, not too many tracks running 'Bracket Racing'. So if you had a car with an Edelbrock aluminum intake, Holley carb and 8" tires, if you went to the track you got classed in Modified/Production, and your street-car got pounded by a track-car. On the street, anything went. And it was great fun 'After Midnight'. PC |
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Two non muscle cars that I remember was Flip's Speed Shop's volvo and a Nash Metro
named Classical Gas.Short wheelbase and a S/B chevy on a concrete roadway.Very scary. Anybody remember Mitchell's on 86th st. in Bklyn?They had the girls on roller skates there to bring you your food.Car hops.And how about New Park Pizza on Crossbay Blvd.Way better pizza than Pizza City. |
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Hey, don't forget.
'Don't Cook Tonite, Call Chicken Delight' And White Castle with the 'tangy taste of onion' at "19 cents" a burger. If you ate before you raced, your hands would slip of the Hurst "T" handle. Art, The NHRA classifications really killed alot of street cars from racing. Just who didn't have a car with an Edelbrock dual-plane aluminum high-rise, a Holley 780 dual-feed, and an Accel dual-point. Any tire size bigger than F-60's would be over 7", sending you into S/S, or M/P or Gas. And the 4-speed street guys, didn't have the Lakewood Bell-Housings (we all called them 'scattershields'). 'A Fanabla' * Kind of like the early suggested brackets, A 12.99 ET for big-block street cars, and 13.99 for small-block street cars. Cars had to be driven to the track, and with license plates. Had to run-off the 12.99 or 13.99 ET. Any intake, carb, hood scoop and any tire that fit within the wheel-well. Headers, and you could pull off the exhaust system, completely. Only safety items, Scattershields, helmets and seat-belt. That would have worked. PC |
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I came face to face with Dick Landy's "Pepsi Cola" Challenger. At the PRI show last December.
Vinnie Maida and I bought that car from Landy in 72 (I think) That was to be my first NHRA car. We were going to run it in C/Gas with a clutchflite and a "prostock" Hemi. And some street racing. We rented an open trailer. Towed to California from Brooklyn to pick it up with a slant six plymouth fury. I even got a bank loan for that car, Landy had to put a number on the car to satisfy the bank. I never got that car finished. I teamed up with Tex (Ray) on the 71 Charger, and the rest is history. |
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Funny someone should mention NHRA's classification system---- I always thought it didn't allow for street cars, that AHRA did a better job for that. Kinda hard to picture a 3800lb Chevelle being put into Gas just'cause it had some engine mods & slicks. Truth be told told, that's probably what pushed so many guys onto the street.
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You know, now that I think of it I recall reading about someone pulling into a popular Brooklyn or Queens street racing haunt back in the late-'60s or early-'70s with one of Dick Landy's cars on a trailer. Can't remember if that was an article or a post.
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Art, did you not finish the Challenger because you teamed up with Tex on the Charger, or was it because of other projects on the go?
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I'm not entirely sure where Heavy did most of his off-track racing, but if he was involved, and it was near JFK, it was most likely 150th/South Conduit. The Mutt Bros, Levi Holmes and I think Tab Talmadge raced there (the Mutt Bros raced there almost exclusively). Heavy knew those guys (Ronald Lyles & Levi even shoed some of Heavy's cars professionally) so it wouldn't be surprising. |
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