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The same thing is about to happen to the LS1 corvettes. The B/SA and C/SA averages are ok, but the D/SA average is high. They will get HP and will be in A/SA next year. I didnt do the math on the overall average because it is really a moot point to do that.

If you are in fear of getting hp, make sure that all the classes the car can fit into are under an 85 average and then you are good.

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Exactly -

Pat did not say this when it counted for us.

Those of us who have received HP - know how it works.


Ron

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Back in the day when we were fast, we were told you can hurt others but they can’t help you.
If you don’t like it, race somewhere else.

Years later and Len Imbrogno’s SIMPLE AHFS (his words), are still confusing and a moving target

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It doesn't take long when it effects you to get educated on it real quick! Lol

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I guess it pays to be proactive and keep up with class and engine averages of your combination on a week to week basis. As often said "The best surprise is no surprise".

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Yeah, another good reason for racing one-off, odd-ball stuff.

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Just to add to this conversation, any runs of .850 under and you can not be granted a HP decrease for the next two review periods.

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X2 on that.

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Thanks for that bit of info Joe.
Terry K(another I/S guy)

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And good reason to NOT race killer expensive engines loaded with aftermarket blocks, aftermarket heads, etc. when a good homebuilt engine does the trick. Screw Indy and their .85 + under qualified fields. NHRA does not check a 1/4 of them for legality anyway
Make the adjustments on HP kick in at .50 under instead of 1.20 under !

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Hey Terry, let's not get too carried away!

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NO!!! Lol

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A person can build stuff in the backyard and qualify at Indy.

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I did not know that.
That is very helpful info.

Earlier this year another racer on the left coast screwed up and ran a 1.19 and a 1.07 under with the same combo that I run.
I had thought of driving 300 miles to a division race for the sole purpose of pulling the combo's average down below .850 by making a few of .375 under passes.

I never went and h.p. is coming for the combo but now knowing it has to be the same exact class is helpful.
Thanks Mark

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Al this is why I normally make slower runs in all 3 classes that my combo fits throughout the year. I didn't make any in H this year and it almost cost me but thanks to a racer on the west coast we were able to get it under control. It pays to know and understand how this works and keep a close watch on it. Towing 300 miles is alot cheaper than trying to find 4 or 5 hundredths!

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And this all goes away if they take away class heads up. No more non stop BS.

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You’re calling that a solution?

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Unfortunately there are a few models/platform that offered the same engine size but different HP ratings and you’re not sure when a car unfamiliar to you has busted the average and you can’t react before it’s too late. Afraid that’s what has happened to me when they announce the revised ratings next month. Oh well, at least it shouldn’t be too large a hit but I would have towed to Rockingham (300 miles) even though I wasn’t quite ready with the car if I had known.

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This was on the table but thankfully common sense prevailed. As was pointed out to me, there is already a class with NO heads up.....Bracket 2 Non Delay.....

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I would have went to the points meet, gas and entry is WAY cheaper than finding more HP......

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95% of the races have a dial in on the windshield, why not the other 5%?
Then they can have a pissing contest with no penalty.
Just my opinion.
Mike

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Heads up racing is part of what stock eliminator racing is all about.

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barf

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yeah !! the final solution !! Isn't that chance of a heads up encounter that makes racers want to race hard ?? Theres a .90s bracket forum somewhere on this site !! Maybe all interested parties should post there !!

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You are full of ****.

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Mike you are certainly entitled to your opinion but please keep in mind we already have a class for 100% dial in races... its called Pro or Mod. Qualifying and the possibility of Heads Up runs are among the many great things about owning or driving a S/SS'er

Troy Galbraith

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Because that’s not what stock eliminator is about. Most of us race because of the 5% chance of the heads up. Without it, no reason to participate in the class or follow the rules. No thanks, let the pissing continue.

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LOL....I figured that would get most of you fired up !

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April fools day is still 5 months away.

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well said Todd

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Don't think so, back in the beginning it was all handicap racing, flagman, you got car lengths, unless you ran against your own brand. Most on here remember that I hope. Stock eliminator was not about heads up racing. Your index was the national record, No dial, but the little guy had no chance with that.
You wanna run heads up, go pro stock.
I know brackets are not the answer but something has to change.
NHRA is almost fed up with stock-super stock.

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Don't think so, back in the beginning it was all handicap racing, flagman, you got car lengths, unless you ran against your own brand. Most on here remember that I hope. Stock eliminator was not about heads up racing. Your index was the national record, No dial, but the little guy had no chance with that.
You wanna run heads up, go pro stock.
I know brackets are not the answer but something has to change.
NHRA is almost fed up with stock-super stock.


Mr. Coley, I was racing in the era you reference and we had to win class in order to run the eliminator. I ran a 53 Olds in J/SA in the early sixties and there might be six or eight cars in my class every week. Yes, the car length spots were bad but running heads up for class was enjoyable.

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NHRA is almost fed up with stock-super stock.

Mike... have an opinion... but don't be that guy. Work on your stuff to make it faster or go find somewhere to race where you don't have to be concerned with heads up runs. Making bs statements accomplishes nothing worthwhile.

Troy Galbraith

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Having completed my 4th year of racing Stock at a total of 40 divisional and national events. Not one time did I hear anyone at a race say they were hoping for a heads up race. I only hear that on classracer.com. I've heard countless times racers saying they were trying to avoid a heads up race. I'm all for having class run offs at national and divisionals for those that can afford to go fast and to show their achievements. I'm not sure how many Stock racers are willing to lose a few heads up races and keep entering events. I've been fortunate to have raced those 40 events and have never had a heads up in regular eliminations. I don't know that I've ever not been the slowest car in my class. I love Stock Eliminator because of the (mostly) stock looking cars and the great people, however losing a few heads up races would drive me out of the class. I know many of you will think or say, "if you can't make your car go faster just go bracket racing." Yes I can and would do that but how many other racers are you willing to lose because they can't afford to make their car heads up competitive? If Stock is truly a performance class why are racers concerned about getting HP, why are there so many racers lifting way before the finish line in qualifying or a heads up race where they're the faster car? Seems contradictory to showing performance of your car.

I didn't write this to rile anyone up or start an argument nor asking for a change to the class for myself only. Thanks.

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I don't have a dog in the hunt.

But I'm curious. Of all the Stock/SS racers who can run their index or quicker, aprox what percentage of racers actually have a decent chance of winning a heads-up race ?

I mean, just from lookin at the qualifying sheets at big races, it appears that anybody on the bottom half of the list has little to no chance of winning a heads-up run, unless there are only 2 or 3 cars in their class, & they're all slow.

So, judging from this, I'd guess that those with slow cars are not doing it because of the heads-up runs, but IN SPITE of the heads-up runs. The few guys who are the quickest in their class, or close enuff to actually have a chance, may be the only ones who really like heads-up runs. For the quickest cars, some heads-up runs are sorta like a free time trial during elims. Helps decide dial-in for the next round.

Again, no dog in the hunt. Just my thoughts on the subject. And, I also raced Stock, using spots. 1st to the finish line won. Won some. Lost Some. Also raced Stock off track records. Anything quicker was a breakout. Won some. Lost some.

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It’s real simple if you don’t like S or SS get the hell out. If you don’t think there should be heads up get the hell out. Stop bitching and screwing it up for the rest of us. Class racing is awesome. Why people enter a performance based class and then constantly bitch about the other fast cars drives me nuts. Is my **** the fastest out there? No it’s not but we have gotten faster the past few years and we’ll be faster next year. What a world we live in now......

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What a world we live in now ? ...Hey ED, the SLACKERS want us to change the rules to accommodate them .....What a crock of ....??....

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For me, it's all about heads up runs. Don't care to put a dial in on the window.

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Amen brother Ed!! Amen! Jim

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No question that the system is not perfect, but then again, it never was. I think there is at least a balance on bracket vs performance. Go back and look. Some key races were won because of performance. That makes it fun. I have been the quicker car and the slower car in heads up runs. They are all fun and a challenge.

It isn’t Comp Elia where every round is performance. That is very cool, but out of reach for many. I think stock superstock is a way for almost all to play and enjoy the sport. Not cheap or entry level, but in reach for anyone that really makes a commitment to race in it.
If we cut out heads up runs, what is next? Dial above the index? No minimum weight? Delay boxes and stutter boxes?

I don’t have any problem with non performance classes. Just don’t try to get into a perf class and take away all the performance incentive.