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the chassis certs are @ 7.50 for current FSS cars, I wonder when they'll eclipse that ??

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That's even worse. I was basing my estimate off of buying the car, pulling the engine and trans to have them gone through.

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It already is !

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BINGO! Those other races with nice purses are what NHRA can't compete with and are losing racers to. Pro Stock is almost irrelevant in the scope of things. FS/XX might be for (fun) but how long will they stick with it for (no) return? Like an old Pro Stock racer and friend says "Want to make a small fortune racing? Start with a Big one!"

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Just a basic cost to be competitive in Showdown
new car $130,000
Build a showdown engine $40,000
Showdown Trans and convertor $15000
Update cage to 7.50 spec $9000
full racepack $8000
second set wheel tires $3500
Lighten car add weight to back $500
different third member $2500
Proper shifter $1000
Suspension $10,000
in car communication $1500
Assorted other things needed $3000
Spare parts $$$$$$$
Total at least $225000 You can do it for a bit less but you will not qualify and may not even at that cost either. And constant work needed after each event. And add in a trailer and Motor home you can add $250,000-$400,000
It is not a class for the average sportsman.

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JDM Engineering once posted on here, that one of his customers had 100K in the trans. I asked if he meant 10K, he said nope.
MJ

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Seems high you can buy a Coan or Joel Showdown trans for 10-11 grand and a aluminum light weight bolt together converter for 5-6 grand Maybe he had it gold plated.

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Damn I wish Pure Stock was back.
Getting it set up to make STOCK is $10000.
Another $10000 to make it competitive with other care in class
And that is cheap.
To really make it all up requires frame up restoration to benefit from all the rules. Weight shifting, special bearings, REM, metal treatment. ETC

The concept of Stock left reality a long time ago.

They are Comp cars with a smaller cam.

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This has what to do with Factory Showdown racing?

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Damn, I wish you would go away !

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That quote about "making a small fortune racing" is stupid,and makes zero sense.If you are starting with a big one, and end up with a small fortune, that means you are not very good with money management., you are NOT MAKING a small fortune !

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Well Jerry, I guess that you've never heard the old saying "If you want to make a small fortune "doing add your own venture" then start with a large one.
So you have "money managers" taking care of your racing investments?
Must be a 21ST Century thing...

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You guys are bewildered about the high cost, $400000 for FS Racer.
Or for that matter any Stocker today.
You give accolades to a person building a Dime Racer.
These Cars are slower than Pure Stockers!
You diss CM and PS even though they are cost effective Stockers.
You all wave your arms up and down how NHRA may kill S/SS.
Because it is a lot more difficult to govern and tech.
There is nothing Stock about our Stockers..
It is SS with a smaller cam and tire now with Solid Lifters.

Now you wish I go away because ....!?

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How can someone who races NHRA Stock Eliminator NOT have a sense of humor? smh

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I think the big question is why can a guy with a 10,000 dollar bracket car race in any part of the country for 10,000 to 20,000 on just about any weekend with next to no fans and a guy with. 200,000 dollar car racing in front of sold out crowds in a factory supported class is racing for 1500.00...just maybe the racer needs a little bigger slice of the NHRA pie...if your lucky enough to win any class in the biggest racing organization in drag racing NHRA ...it should at least pay your expenses for the weekend when you look at the fact that there are bracket races paying more for one race than NHRA pays for there world championship kinda takes the shine off there championship...Hell street outlaws race for 40,000$ an episode with full tv coverage and they have a fan base and TV ratings...and I know for a fact that those cars can be built a lot cheaper than a factory stock car...Love NHRA racing just think it's time racers get a little slice of the pie

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Because NHRA TRIED "Pure Stock" in the early 70s. It didn't work then and it definitely won't work now. With all of the Tech people they employed back then, they didn't have enough to keep all of the entrants "Pure Stock". It wasn't uncommon to only have a couple of dozen cars in a field and to have the winner and ru DQd. It DID make SS and MP very popular though.
Apparently in the 21ST Century, Racers have "money managers" and "inheritances" and "401Ks" to pick up their racing expenses and they don't care what it costs them to participate.
If you don't want to spend your way in then find a place to hide and build a "Dime Rocket" but Pure Stock ain't happening.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program!

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Because the guy with the 10K Bracket Car is participating in races put on by (basically) small Promoters who are (usually) also Racers.
The NHRA B-O-Ds aren't Racers. They take advantage of the current crop of Racers by "selling" NHRAs historical significance to the "sport" that has now just become a "hobby". The people running the NHRA got "bit" by the greed bug.

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The Mayor of NYC recently said.....


There is plenty of money in NYC, it's just in the wrong hands.....

You can just remove "NYC" and insert NHRA and you get your answer as to why people are racing for $1500 with a car and support equipment worth 6 or 7 figures...…

Cause they can, and they want to.....applies to both sides of that coin....

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this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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I’m not bewildered about anything here. It’s the progression of the sport we play like it or not. This is not a grass roots class. It’s an alternative to pro stock at this point.

Just think you interjected your opinion in the wrong post about something that has nothing to do with what is being discussed here.

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Topics about FS and... most folks are tired of hearing about a cost effective stock or SS race car. That would be a bracket car and not a good bracket car. Race within your means and don’t complain about it. It’s still a performance based class last time I checked. That is what’s most appealing to me..

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I think as time goes on these cars will gather more sponsors and it will cost less for the individuals participating. Do you think DSR or Force Racing cuts a check out of the company to enter these races or pay for the parts or repairs? Sponsors do. Do you think the 50,000 or whatever prize money they win really pays the expenses for a weekend and shows a profit? Probably not.

The bracket guy and sportsman pay most out of their pocket go these races and complete for the big money. But if they don’t win and loose in the later rounds does the money really work out? Racing for and winning are 2 different things. I’m not sure it does or not.

When the sportsman racer shows up with a 500,000 plus rig not including the car or anything else how much does he have to win to make it worth it?
Maybe racing with a little less overhead makes the math work better.

This is about showdown racing. It’s not about turning a profit from prize money. It helps the engine guy sell more engines, the company advertise on a bigger stage with more exposure. The individual driving to expand his opportunities and advancement. There’s more to it.

I’f you are racing for a career or to become financially stable I wish you luck. Maybe try out for the Yankees, Cowboys or Bruins on the off weekends. Just in case that doesn’t work out. Very few have the talent to do it.

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You have to admit $1500 is laughable (and embarrassing). Yeah they choose to do it for whatever reason, God bless em. I posted in the off-season requesting payout info and the consensus was what's been stated here. But for NHRA to post a picture of the winner with that paltry check? Ooof.

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No it should be more for sure. This is not the only organization with the current payout situation

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/17/nasc...-cars-run.html

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Billy, I have heard the old saying numerous times,and I do not have a "money manager",

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NHRA Contingency $300 and $100 winner/runner up, that adds more to the winnings.

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I guess it depends on what you're driving. Not anymore for me.

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"Money manager" aka...."wife" lol. gsa612

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Looks like the FS Showdown cars will be slowing down ( at least the 2019 COPOs and 2019 Cobra Jets....


From the NHRA tech department.....

NHRA Technical Department Makes Parity Adjustment to the SAMTech.edu NHRA Factory Stock Showdown

Based on SAMTech.edu NHRA Factory Stock Showdown performance numbers from the first race of the 2019 season, the NHRA Technical Department is increasing the supercharger top pulley size on the 2019 COPO 350 combination from 3.350 inches to 3.500 inches and the 2019 Cobra Jet 327 combination from 3.250 inches to 3.500 inches. This will decrease the 2019 COPO 350 combination supercharger overdrive from 147.5 percent to 136.6 percent overdrive or 10.9 percent. Additionally, this will decrease the 2019 Cobra Jet 327 combination supercharger overdrive from 146.2 percent to 128.6 percent or 17.6 percent. As a reminder, no other changes may be made to all approved superchargers, including, but not limited to: (upper or lower pulley sizes, gear ratios, cases, rotors, etc.). All other permitted combinations in the SAMTech.edu NHRA Factory Stock Showdown will remain unchanged. This rule change will go into effect immediately. NHRA reserves the right in the future to make additional rule changes to control performance and maintain parity in the category.

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This guy is STILL talking about pure stock!? Let it go man....its over. I thought this thread was about FS????