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I really don't have a dog in this fight except my brother has my old Corvette and runs the same class. Different year and engine parts. If someone makes a time shot and they are light going across the scales not matter what they went for a time the run should not count. We see it all the time. Someone DQ'd at the bottom of the list on their first time run. So if you go across the scales light even though you went 1.20 or more why should it count. What if someone wanted to ruin a combo. Drop 200 lbs out of the car go 1.30 under. When you cross the scale should that run count. Now the difference here is some of you are saying he played with weight at the top end before going across the scales. Did any of you see it? Did anyone from NHRA see it? If not run should not count. If someone intentional plays with weight after a run at the top end before they hit the scales and an NHRA official see's it different story. Be careful wishing someone to get HP it could be your combo next. BP

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Wouldn't playing with vehicle weight after a run before you cross the scales get you a year off or more instantly?

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We as Stock and Super Stock “class racers” need to see that the rules are followed these days! If someone is out there blatantly cheating, and get caught, they need to face the music with the proper penalties! It is not ok for daddy to call an NHRA higher up and have his kid’s DQ from the race reversed! We need to take a stand and demand he gets the discipline he deserves!!! If not, it will just continue to happen! Does anyone on here think this is fair?

Let’s see who has a set!!! Contact your rep and demand he gets dq’d from the race, takes a 0 for points and gets a year vacation!

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Mr. Worner you are 100% correct. This type of activity does not slide east of the Mississippi and should not in nay of the 7 divisions.
Too many things going on in particular with that race team. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it is a duck. Cody Lane and team are labeled as CHEATERS and the wins will always have an asterisk and no respect given.

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The rule book says You must scale or fuel ck,(Sec 2 P 11) if you run quicker than any previous run. If cody made a mistake by running to quick, step up and take the hit. Just sayin,,,,

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I agree if you are caught changing your weight before you go on the scales after a run there should be a penalty and HP if deemed so. I just haven't heard anyone come on hear and say he was caught by an NHRA official. Bryan I don't think anyone should get away with breaking the rules if caught. So far I have only heard speculation as to what happened. If he was caught by an official then they need to take the right actions. Anyone at the race care to elaborate as to what really happened. BP

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If there is no video or picture or a human being there ..it didn’t happen
Sorry to inform you folks
Did he change his front bumper to get the horse power off?
That’s me bitching. Now

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Something happened, he's on the sheet then he's off and then back on it. Don't add up, someone knows something out there and if they don't stand up and say something that's as bad as doing it yourself.
I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to get away with what's been said happened but difference is I wouldn't do it in the first place, I got integrity.....

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I was just informed about a post on FB by a racer who was at the scales when all this went down. It makes it pretty clear about what happened. The racer(s) in question are probably monitoring this thread and should post their response to these allegations. They are members.

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Here is a couple of questions. Just being the devils advocate here.

1. Is the car actually capable of going -1.20+ under?
2. Was the car properly classified? Sometimes a car will show up on the Q sheet in the wrong class and show it was farther under the index than it really should be. Typically on the first round of Q. Happens a lot here in D2 on the first Q run.

3. Is there a chance that the clock malfunctioned or some blowing debris or trash tripped the beam?

These are a few things that can cause an erroneous ET on any run at any time.
I don't know the car or person that was involved and don't see anything but rumors here.

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Would be nice to hear both sides of the story.

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The car is more than capable as I remember when Mr. Cunningham had the car before the Lanes and it was plenty fast back then.

As far as the class and a chance of the clocks malfunctioning, the class was correct as in eliminations, he was still showing in G/SA. And look at the pics of the two qualifying runs, the car was picking it up all the way down track in comparison to the 10.99 run, which is what ended up on the final Qualifying sheet.

Making an assumption, I would say they manipulate timing in order to slow the car down. Just based on the incrementals and how much more mph the car is running to the 1/8 in the very fast run.

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Ha, what a bunch of haters....

Tried to make it to the top of the ladder. Went faster than we hoped and we were ready to pay the price. Went across the scales right after the run with the cars that ran in front of us. We were 5 lbs. light (or maybe 3 lbs as the scales are 5 lb increments) and relieved that it was light. There were people watching us the entire time and we caught a break.

Sorry it isn't going to make the "Nancy drew mystery" drama that a few were hoping for.

Thanks for the kudos from the great racers out there.

Jeff Lane

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Thanks for the explanation but would you mind telling us why he was dropped off the sheet and then put back. Just curious as to why that happened.

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Jeff cut the bull****.

I was at the finish line watching friends race. You and your Dad came back from the end of the track on scooters no earlier than after half of Super Street ran. Cody was behind you guys. I’m guessing 10 minutes had passed.

Go ahead, keep trying to bull**** the racers that weren’t there. There’s absolutely no excuse to take that long to weigh after a run unless you’re broke. Cody drove it on the scale...

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He was dropped off the sheet because the scale report wasn't sent to the tower correctly and they (NHRA) thought we bypassed the scales which was later proven that we did not.

Just everyone spinning out of control....

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Well I did not go down to the end of the track Jody, and my 88 year old father brought him the ET slip like he does every run.

Come on over and pick on Grump if you need to....

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A question? When you go across the scales and they tell you your weight do they record that weight? If so that should tell how heavy a car is on the first qualifying run to the last run. Who's in charge of that paperwork?

Kenney Kelley

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[QUOTE=Jeff Lane;592518]He was dropped off the sheet because the scale report wasn't sent to the tower correctly and they (NHRA) thought we bypassed the scales which was later proven that we did not.

Sent to the tower incorrectly? Never heard of that in 50+ years. Perhaps because he went to the scales so late and after the next category was run as Mr Jody pointed out. Too fishy = CHEATERS brand for life.

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Was he the last car down the track in the session?

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According to live timing,last pair.

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Sorenson was 2 cars in front of us when we ran and was doing his fuel check when we were sitting on the scales.

All of your theories are just ridiculous...

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If this was a comp car it would make sense for a crew member to pick up and deliver time slip. This is stock eliminator, Nobody does that. There’s no need for crew members to be with the car before it gets to the scales unless the car is broke and everyone is in agreement that the car was able to drive to the scales.

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How much in et? Is 5 lbs? Asking for a friend.

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.002 evidently!!!

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The time slip booth at Woodburn is near the tower/starting line. It’s very common for crew members to grab the time slip and drive down to the return road so the driver can review the time slip while waiting to scale/fuel check. So, yes, lots of people do this.

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Julie,

I believe you receive timeslip before scale at Woodburn now.
Simple question there's 39 cars or whatever did any Super Street cars weigh before Cody?
I'm not an expert not even sure Super Street weighs but typically we are lined up at scale when running at end of session,
not sure why or how someone could cut in if you were there doing your normal routine.

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From my understanding from those there, the timeslip booth has been moved past the finish line by the scales.

Also, I can tell you, I talked to Cody Lane myself earlier today and he basically stated the same as Jeff has here. Yes, I actually picked up the phone and called the person in question, rather than communicate over Internet. Full disclosure, he messaged me if I wanted to know with a phone number and I called. I think Cody is a little younger than I am and I’m 29, and somehow we communicated like adults, crazy deal happened earlier today.

Now, I haven’t heard from the NHRA side fully, but I’ve put in a few texts and calls that way as well. I’d suggest if you have questions, you can do the same.

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Hey, here's a novel idea that would clear up a lot of the game playing, turn off the ET boards for qualifying (kinda like in the old days before scoreboards), weigh car, fuel check car, THEN receive time slip.

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My thought is a class car should be teched, weighed and fuel checked before making any run. The class to be run should be stated and placed on the sticker and the vehicle properly marked also. This would alleviate some of the confusion and mistakes before qualifying begins. If a car is found light or fuel non spec etc. then NHRA can take action.
Also some of the tracks I have been too, the return roads are long, have curves and go through some pit area before the scales. Maybe this should be a concern.
Ask yourself, why do you class race. The rules to follow, the acomplishments of making a car go fast while pushing the envelope under tight specs. Im sure there are many reasons otherwise just go bracket race and all is well.
Lets do our part everyone and enjoy NHRA class racing for the time we have left and the tracks that are still here.
Thanks.

-Bob Fazio Sr.

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Bobby, by doing our part do you mean by following the rules and not blatantly cheating or by being vigilant and policing the known cheaters? Asking for a friend!

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Austin, do you really think if you asked someone who cheated, “hey man, what happened”? He’s actually going to say “yeah man, I knew I went 1.20 under and had to chuck some weight out before the scales to get the run dq’d so I don’t get instant horsepower on my combo!” Come on man!!!

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Bryan, I doubt very much that the majority of S/SS Racers would be willing to "be vigilant and police the known cheaters" unless it directly affected them. Ya take a lot of s&&t for "ratting" out cheaters in this game.

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Well I’ve taken **** in the past for calling out cheaters, so you think it’s gonna bother me if it happens again??? Lol!!! With the lack of tech, it’s time for racers like me to take the stand against them. So when they know I’m on the property, I’ll be watching!!! There are a bunch of us that go to the races with two things in mind. First is having fun and enjoying that time with our racing friends and family. Second is to win the race. The last thing I want to happen is one of my close friends, my brother , or me to lose because someone is cheating! I’m sure you heard of my DQ from Atco last year, after I won second round, because I wrote the wrong year for my car on my tech card. That cost me big time in the end!! So now when I hear of bs like this going on, it infuriates me!!!! I for one will demand justice! I hope more and more will back me!!!

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I'm just saying, I heard one of the sides of the story. I have also heard from people at the track.

Now, I haven't heard from NHRA fully but I plan to, not sure if anyone else does.

Also, just from a logistic standpoint, it would take me a decent amount of time to figure out how to get weight out of the car as it is in weight boxes. So, if there was foul play it would have had to take a noticeable amount of time at the end of the track...or unless there was "loose weight" in the car. Should we go ahead and start that rumor/conspiracy as well?

I think there are going to be three sides to this one regardless how it plays out: the Lanes, the competitors and the truth. Two of those could wind up being the same.

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The problem when you compound lies with more lies is you are start to lose track of the truth. You say you didn't go to the end of the track, but you happened to be at the scale when Cody weighed...

With all the stuff that's went down at Woodburn alone within the last year with you two this is a super bad look no matter how you want to spin it. Thing is Jeff people were watching. A -1.20 run will have that effect. Several on the starting line saw you take off down the return road.

These are not theories as you say but fact.

Austin, what Jeff says on here is totally different than what Cody told me on Saturday after it happened. There's a ton of history here with shady stuff and most guys I've talked to have had enough of the blatant disregard for the rules and lack of respect for other racers.

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Austin no disrespect buddy but I could lose 100 pounds out of my weight box before you could get your coat and pants off.

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Bryan, yer preaching to the choir, I get it. Remember, you're talking to the guy who was tossed at Indy because his heads "looked too stock". I'm not gonna stop "watching" any time soon either.
A big problem that we have here (in S/SS) is the "Who's yer Daddy" issue. Who's buddies with who, who's in who's back pocket, who's doing lunch with the Tech Director, etc.etc.etc.. I don't know the fix for that.

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Just a heads up Mike Rice is a Great Guy. Also div 3 tech last week came to my pits and verified my car classification and made me remove my Malibu Classic emblem. Great Job!!!!